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DannyJC13

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« #880 : 06-18-2013 10:53 »

For voice actor, 'Futurama' is a high point
Anna3000

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« #881 : 06-18-2013 11:02 »

I feel bad for doubting Mike Rowe, perhaps this season will alter my thoughts on his potential?
Well

In which episodes has Leela dragged down the plot in your opinion, Hein? I know that I have a more favorable opinion of her than many do, but I can't think of any episodes where she's  really damaged a plot. I think some of the story lines she's had (ALOHO or Yo Leela Leela, for example) have been lacking, but in those she wasn't dragging down the plot, the plot just wasn't that great.
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« #882 : 06-18-2013 14:17 »
« : 06-18-2013 15:23 »

I feel bad for doubting Mike Rowe, perhaps this season will alter my thoughts on his potential?
Well

In which episodes has Leela dragged down the plot in your opinion, Hein? I know that I have a more favorable opinion of her than many do, but I can't think of any episodes where she's  really damaged a plot. I think some of the story lines she's had (ALOHO or Yo Leela Leela, for example) have been lacking, but in those she wasn't dragging down the plot, the plot just wasn't that great.

I wonder the same (I'm one of these weird people who doesn't hate Yo Leela Leela and MD she's really well written imo) the only episodes where I think she can ruin the plot is Lethal Inspection and Butterjunk Effect (oh wait, the plot there is already ruined).

But yeah,Rowe has a thing with Leela...anyways I'm trying to be neutral about both episodes.
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« #883 : 06-18-2013 17:30 »

Leela-centered episodes have been more likely to be disliked and it's true that the character itself (probably) hasn't made episodes worse, but the plot is most likely made for the character. So one could say character (being in major part) has dragged plot down, because the plot is made suitable for that character's personality and interactions. In fact, the plot might not have even been done in the first place.
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« #884 : 06-18-2013 17:56 »
« : 06-18-2013 18:16 »

^Excellent description.
@Anna, Sof>
I commented on the subject before, so I do not want to go at great length:
The main problem is a too lenient writing on Leela:
With Leela, they wanted a "strong woman taking charge" character. Unfortunately, it turned out the writers were too politically correct to ridicule that character accordingly.
Which -in a comedy/parody- is a rather bad combination. Leela was some kind of "sacred cow", around which the writers were often tip-toeing on eggshells.

The writers have to be given credit for trying to ridicule that character a bit more after the relaunch, though.
Anna3000

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« #885 : 06-18-2013 18:38 »
« : 06-18-2013 19:31 »

I disagree with your statement that Leela's a "sacred cow." I don't see how she's been ridiculed any less than the other characters, even in the original run. I'd even say she's been ridiculed more than Bender or Farnsworth and not much less than Fry.

In my opinion, Leela-centric episodes also don't have a greater likelihood of being bad than Bender-centric ones. Most of the ones that focus on one character instead of multiple members of the whole ensemble are not the greatest, in my opinion.

EDIT: Never mind, Hein, I know you don't want to speak at great length about this here.  :)
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« #886 : 06-18-2013 19:06 »

Last Countdown to Futurama!
It's again that clip with Sean in it:
http://comedycentral.tumblr.com/post/53293164834/countdown-to-futurama-i-want-my-dollar-at-long

Quote from: Matt Tobey
Countdown to Futurama: I Want My Dollar

At long last, we are at the end of our 50-day countdown. A brand new season of Futurama kicks off with a one-hour premiere tomorrow night at 10/9c. But first, here’s a clip from the episode featuring Leela’s ex-boyfriend Sean.

Tomorrow it begins!
DotheBartman

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« #887 : 06-18-2013 19:42 »

The one big problem I see with Leela episodes is that the plots they pick for her just aren't always the most interesting, or a little too often reduce her to an object of affection for Fry to chase. I don't think it's the character inherently. But the staff is historically male (and the CC writing staff is all male) and I think they understandably occasionally struggle writing good storylines from a female perspective, compared to ones about the male characters. There are exceptions, of course, but that's kind of generally what I notice.
Kataang102

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« #888 : 06-18-2013 20:46 »

They said in a commentary that I forget if it's the producers or animators but possibley one of the those two don't like doing Leela episodes

I like Leela based episodes, yes even though she acts like the planet express crews mother I still like them
Anna3000

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« #889 : 06-18-2013 20:48 »
« : 06-18-2013 20:49 »

I agree with all of what you said, DotheBartman. I'm hoping that she gets to save Fry some in the new episodes and that her role will be more than being the object of Fry's affection.
I really can't think of any Leela-centric episodes, though, other than ALOHO and YLL that are generally disliked. I know many believe she was out of character in Mobius (sorry, I don't know how to make an umlaut on my laptop) Dick, but I thought the episode was still very good and enjoyed her in it.

Anyway, sorry for derailing this thread's topic.
DotheBartman

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« #890 : 06-18-2013 20:56 »

Möbius Dick is one of the best CC episodes. So great.
Mr Snrub

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« #891 : 06-18-2013 21:01 »

Möbius Dick is one of the best CC episodes. So great.
lolno.

But I do agree with you that Leela episodes aren't inherently bad at all. They aren't always the most funny, but they generally work. The problem is that the ones that people generally like the most do centre around her relationship with Fry, somewhat supporting the theory that she's only half a complete, fully rounded cartoon character.
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« #892 : 06-18-2013 21:45 »

I don't think Leela's character is a "sacred cow" at all.  Most of the episodes which center on her also center on her flaws, of which there are many. Off the top of my head :

- She has poor depth perception.

- She wears size 12 shoes (Rebirth) and other characters have twice complained that her feet smell when she takes them off. (Anthology of Interest I, The Farnsworth Parabox.)

- She is the worst blurnsball player in history. (A Leela of Her Own.)

- She can be a raging hypocrite. (31st Century Fox, ITWGY, The Mutants Are Revolting.)

- She has terrible taste in men. (Alcazar, Sean, Adlai, Chaz, ZAPP BRANNIGAN.)

- She can be obsessive. (Mobius Dick, Bender's Game, Anthology of Interest I.)

- And petty. ("I wanted the end locker. It's not like Amy cares, but oh no, she won't trade with me . . .")

- Also interfering. ("Fry made his own choice, but he made it wrong, so it's now it's time for us to interfere in his life." - I Dated A Robot.)

- Not to mention violent. (Bender's Game has a whole plot strand revolve around this, but it features in most episodes.)

- But in her relationships with her parents and various love interests, she is shown to be emotionally insecure. (For her parents, see Less Than Hero and Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles. The crap she puts up with from Adlai and Alcazar is surely enough evidence of romantic insecurity - which she also shows with Fry on occasion. She's very insecure about her appearance in The Prisoner of Benda, and has a tendency to respond to Fry's romantic gestures rather than make them herself.)

- She's jealous. This may be simply reactionary, but she's frequently catty about Amy.

- For all the nice things she has done for Fry, she has also treated him badly at times. She was insensitive in The Why of Fry, resisted his attempts to help her in The Cyber House Rules, and blamed him for their brief marriage in TKOS.

- She is very quick to judge others. (Zapp Dingbat, I Dated A Robot, pretty much everything Bender has ever done.)

- She is stubborn, which often leads her to rash decisions. (Flying through the Bermuda Triangle in Mobius Dick, telling Fry to jump in the toxic lake in The Mutants Are Revolting, etc.)

As you can see, it's quite a list - and I like her! :laff:

She's definitely flawed, and the show has never shied away from that. Fry sees her as perfect, but the show doesn't always present us with the same Leela he sees. In TDHAIP, for example, Fry looks longingly at Leela . . . as she eats a huge, messy spider leg. In The Farnsworth Parabox he asks her repeatedly for a date. She fobs him off with the excuse of "sweaty boot rash", at which Amy chimes in with "No spluh! Why do you think I'm over here in the stink-free zone?"  ;)  

DannyJC13

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« #893 : 06-18-2013 22:36 »

Möbius Dick is one of the best CC episodes. So great.
lolno.

lolyes.
UnrealLegend

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« #894 : 06-18-2013 23:11 »

Möbius Dick is one of the best CC episodes. So great.
lolno.

lolyes.
lolagreed.

Well, it's not the best. But its pretty awesome.
Scrappylive

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« #895 : 06-18-2013 23:15 »
« : 06-19-2013 04:20 »

Möbius Dick is one of the best CC episodes. So great.
lolno.

lolyes.
lolagreed.

Well, it's not the best. But its pretty awesome.

Lolwut?

This episode was way, way, way too out of character for me to appreciate. Leela was... weird, especially when rays are projecting from her forehead.
UnrealLegend

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« #896 : 06-18-2013 23:22 »

Nothing she does is out-of-character. All traits shown in the episode were established previously, only MD exaggerated them quite a bit.
Scrappylive

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« #897 : 06-18-2013 23:23 »

Exaggerations confuse me and leave me scared. :cry:
Just Fan
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« #898 : 06-19-2013 01:43 »

Nothing she does is out-of-character. All traits shown in the episode were established previously, only MD exaggerated them quite a bit.
Including Leela being desperate to kill an animal during an entire episode?
El-Man

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« #899 : 06-19-2013 01:47 »

Including Leela being desperate to kill an animal during an entire episode?

I like to think that since the whale was feeding off her obsession, it was affecting her mind as well.
My Manwich

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« #900 : 06-19-2013 03:15 »

So who is going to make a thread about the first episode of the season?  If I knew the production number I would make one.  We have less than 24 hours to go.  Wahooo!
UnrealLegend

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« #901 : 06-19-2013 03:15 »

Nothing she does is out-of-character. All traits shown in the episode were established previously, only MD exaggerated them quite a bit.
Including Leela being desperate to kill an animal during an entire episode?

Yes.

She's protective of animals in a few cases, though it's usually the cute and cuddly ones.
However, she's also known to be a massive hypocrite, as well as having a really short temper and vengeful tendencies.

Leela'a actions in "Möbius Dick" are certainly over-the-top, but they're still in-character.
MuchAdo

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« #902 : 06-19-2013 03:56 »

It's almost time to party like were canned baby, woohooo!!!
Eternium

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« #903 : 06-19-2013 05:24 »

Yeaaaaaah! Well actually tomorrow for me, but Yeah!

totalnerd undercanada

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« #904 : 06-19-2013 05:26 »

So who is going to make a thread about the first episode of the season?  If I knew the production number I would make one.  We have less than 24 hours to go.  Wahooo!

It should be made by somebody who has actually seen the episode and who has something to say about it, rather than simply for the sake of doing so. Opening "placeholder" threads is really something that only the moderators and site administrators should be doing.

Which means that it shouldn't appear until either [-mArc-] stops by, or the episode has aired, and somebody has a review or thoughts to discuss.
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