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futurefreak
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I personally think the show has already peaked. It is still good, and still my forever love, but I don't know if it can get as high as Season 4/BBS was...we shall see. That's whereabouts I think it peaked, anyhow. Thoughts? Although Reincarnation was a damn good episode. But it's really no different than the South Park episodes where they became ninja fighters or WoW characters...where it uses a mainstream genre to increase its likability, as opposed to actually focusing on the canon story between the characters. Still, I loved it
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Otis P Jivefunk
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I think it peaked in Season 3 and went down after that. Having said that, there have been some of the best eps since, but there were also some of the best eps before. Many of the worst eps have been since though...
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DannyJC13
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Season 4 doesn't really have any bad episodes, even the "meh" episodes in that season are 10/10 compared to the shitty ones from past seasons.
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Scrappylive
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I think the only "meh" episode from 4 was LTH.
You mean LMTH? Anyways, the I have great hopes for next season as well, although I recognize those as hopes. To those of you who truly think Season 7 will be the best, please explain to me why so I can share the same opinion.
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Gorky
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« Reply #610 on: 02-08-2012 23:43 »
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Season four is easily my favorite season. It was alternately hilarious and touching; it tied up a lot of loose ends (in "Leela's Homeworld" and "The Why of Fry") and provided a nice sense of closure. And it just makes me feel so, I don't know, happy whenever I watch it. So, yeah. I've pretty much accepted the fact that the show will never again reach that same level of consistent greatness.That doesn't mean the movies and season six have been a waste--just that, well, I've lowered my expectations a little because I know season four was too spectacular to be repeated (and, yes, that nostalgia has colored my perception of it somewhat). I think the only "meh" episode from 4 was LTH.
You mean LMTH?
Do you mean "Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles"? In any event, I think that both that episode and "Less Than Hero" are awesome.
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Gorky
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That's extremely debatable.
The same could be said for pretty much everything we discuss on PEEL. In any event, though, I've always thought of "Less Than Hero" as a kind of underrated episode. I get why people don't care much for it, but I just think it's good, silly fun (and I love how it utilizes Morris and Munda). I've always been partial to episodes that feature the three main characters just doing goofy things together (see also: "The Route of All Evil").
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Scrappylive
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Really, everything is debatable.
You're wrong. (See what I did there? ) I really enjoyed Less Than Hero. It was campy for a reason: to make fun of all the campy super hero cartoons.
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Svip
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I think it's cute some people are italising episode names. But it's incorrect. Episode titles are written in double quotations; "Spanish Fry" and film titles in italics; Bender's Game.
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futurefreak
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« Reply #625 on: 02-09-2012 11:56 »
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That's extremely debatable. I for one, know many people who disliked LTH. LTH was "meh" in my opinion (actually it was more decent, but still not good). Obsoletely Fabulous was awesome in my opinion...
But from that episode rose such great action figures! Who can say no to that? The episode was pretty forgettable in my opinion. It was a good one where they explored outside the box, but doesn't particularly fit with the rest of the season, kinda like In a Gadda da Leela. A lot of outlandish stuff going on with a story you forget about the next episode. I thoroughly enjoyed Bend Her, not only because I am reminded of BendersFan, heh, or that it had one of my favorite commentaries of all time. It was a little cliched, but they made it work, unlike Neutopia. They walked a fine ground of what was and wasn't going too far, where I felt Neutopia just went crazy. And it employed Calculon in a way where it was still the Bender show, but we got to see a side of Calculon we hadn't seen before yet still kept in canon with it all being about him, like how he made a story on HIS pain of Coilette dying haha. I did genuinely enjoy the episode and its introduction of Robonia, a land I didn't make up!
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Gorky
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I think it's cute some people are italising episode names. But it's incorrect. Episode titles are written in double quotations; "Spanish Fry" and film titles in italics; Bender's Game.
I prefer not to differentiate the two if I can help it. They're both forms of Futurama, one's just in a movie format.
Yeah, I don't italicize the movies, either. I put them in quotes, on account of they're really just episodes that happen to be four times longer than usual. I mean, I could put them in octuple quotes, if you'd like. The episode was pretty forgettable in my opinion. It was a good one where they explored outside the box, but doesn't particularly fit with the rest of the season, kinda like In a Gadda da Leela. A lot of outlandish stuff going on with a story you forget about the next episode. I guess the difference between you and me is that I find the outlandishness in "Less Than Hero" really appealing and well-done, whereas you seem not to care for it. (That's fine and all, of course; I'm just trying to understand why some people aren't too keen on the episode.) What keeps it from being totally outside the realm of plausibility and canon, for me, is that it incorporates Leela's parents (whom I love); I just think it's nice that the writers took advantage of having introduced Morris and Munda in season four (their inclusion in "Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles" is also brilliant, I think). I thoroughly enjoyed Bend Her, not only because I am reminded of BendersFan, heh, or that it had one of my favorite commentaries of all time. It was a little cliched, but they made it work, unlike Neutopia. They walked a fine ground of what was and wasn't going too far, where I felt Neutopia just went crazy. And it employed Calculon in a way where it was still the Bender show, but we got to see a side of Calculon we hadn't seen before yet still kept in canon with it all being about him, like how he made a story on HIS pain of Coilette dying haha. I did genuinely enjoy the episode and its introduction of Robonia, a land I didn't make up! "Bend Her" is one of the most laugh-out-loud episodes of the series for me. Bender is so pathetically adorable throughout ("I'm not gonna get my medals. They're all I have to remember my Olympic career!"), and I like how faux-emotional the love story is (what with the overly-maudlin, "Goodnight, Calculon" ending).
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Svip
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I prefer not to differentiate the two if I can help it. They're both forms of Futurama, one's just in a movie format.
That's not what this is about, it's about being technical correct.
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Svip
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Or perhaps you're supposed to use italics when you refer to the whole movie and quotations when you refer to one of the episodes that comprise the movie (e.g., "Bender's Big Score Part 1" and Bender's Big Score)?
You are absolutely correct, sir.
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DannyJC13
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So, yeah. I've pretty much accepted the fact that the show will never again reach that same level of consistent greatness.
No. No no no. You cannot prove this at all.
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Gorky
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I didn't claim I could prove it; I'm just saying that I strongly (and, I believe, realistically) doubt that the writers will ever match the greatness of season four. The conditions surrounding the production of season four can never again be replicated, I don't think--and so, another season matching season four in its, like, delightfulness is an impossibility.
I'd add, "in my opinion" to that statement...but it should be pretty obvious that I'm just riffing here, and that my point of view is no more or less valid than anyone else's on this topic. I'm just speculating is all.
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Otis P Jivefunk
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The Season 4 love baffles me probably just as much as it baffles the lovers of it that I think Season 4 was the worst season of the original run. I really don't think it was the high watermark. I really don't like Kif Gets Knocked Up a Notch much at all, Bender Should Not Be Allowed On TV was a bit below par, really not a fan of Crimes of the Hot, the vibe wasn't Futurama to me...
I think Bend Her and Obsoletely Fabulous are weak eps, not very good and some of the worst in the original run. Three Hundred Big Boys is merely ok as well, although pretty fun I guess. Then there's no AOI or equivalent, and no quality Xmas episode like Seasons Two and Three. Sure it has fantastic eps like The Sting, Love & Rocket and The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings, but for all those poor eps I can't see it as Futurama's peak, it just never will be to me...
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DannyJC13
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I'm shocked Otis, how can you not like Season 4?!
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Solid Gold Bender
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Sometimes I can't believe how some people can find things that I love terrible (Season 4, Futurama In General), and they find things that I find terrible to be good (Jersey Shore, The Cleveland Show, etc.). . But from Otis: . Somethings just wrong about that...
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