Thoughts on 6ACV15 - Möbius Dick - SPOILERS!

[Reply #240 on:]

   Somehow...I am sure Mellvar is hovering in the wings watching this and laughing his aff off.

   Surely you mean Melllvar.

meisterPOOP obviously hasn't done enough conventions.

[Reply #241 on:]

Just watched this one, and my initial reaction was "that's really strange". I definitely need to rewatch it, but in the meantime I think I enjoyed it. I was confused by Leela's motivation the entire time but this isn't the first time we've seen her overreact in the extreme (demolition derby).

I love the crazy sci-fi. Lots of fun. Not so impressed with the animation at the end, seems a little cheaper than what they normally pull off. No biggie though.

[Reply #242 on:]

I love the crazy sci-fi. Lots of fun. Not so impressed with the animation at the end, seems a little cheaper than what they normally pull off. No biggie though.

Huh? What was so bad about it? I thought this ep had better animation than any other Season 6 ep ...

[Reply #243 on:]

And I forgot to mention ... When Hermes came out of the whale, he limboed. 8-)

[Reply #244 on:]

One of the better eps this season...mainly 'cause it made me laugh consistently and other episodes haven't. Voices and characters are still off though 

[Reply #245 on:]

This ep is still only 84% on CGEF, and it's only joint fourth highest rated out of all the 6B eps so far. I'm disappointed, very disappointed ...

[Reply #246 on:]

I don't know how it got beat by Silence of the Clamps. I disagree with that call. But I did like Law and Oracle better.

[Reply #247 on:]

Law and Oracle is probably my second fave of 6B, but I prefer Möbius Dick, I just love it so much! Btw, I see it's now just dropped to 83% on CGEF ...

[Reply #248 on:]

I don't really understand how the 4D space whale works, but still, excellent episode.

9/10

[Reply #249 on:]

Just imagine a spherical whale.  Got it?  Then a cubical whale.  Finally, a tesseractal whale.  Now slowly morph the whale away from the geometric form and towards its organic form.  Voila!  Easy-peasy

[Reply #250 on:]

 I hope Ricci flow with surgery isn't involved.

[Reply #251 on:]

I was trying to get confirmation about the Bender hitting the wall twice goof, and it was deffo on purpose:

@DannyJC13 @aimeekitty Yep, Bender hitting the wall was purposeful. A joke on a joke. And thx for the love for my ep, mucho appreciated.

[Reply #252 on:]

We already knew that.

[Reply #253 on:]

Yes, but I was 50-50 on if he was telling the truth or pretending to say it was on purpose incase it was a huge goof and he was trying to cover it up. That's why I asked again.

[Reply #254 on:]

For a brief period this ep went down to 82% on CGEF which is crazy, now back up to 83% but still far too low. I much prefer it to Overclockwise which has 10% more, and in fact I prefer it to all of 6B. Cold Warriors comes closest, but Möbius Dick is in my opinion the most underrated ep of the show ever to this day. It's criminal, I don't know what the fuck people were thinking rating half of 6B over it on CGEF. I don't get it, it's fucking weird...

[Reply #255 on:]

Mobius Dick is possibly my favourite episode, but I can't decide which comes No. #1 on my list between this and 'The Why of Fry'...

[Reply #256 on:]

You have good taste, DannyJC13. I'd rate Möbius Dick over The Why of Fry myself, then again The Why of Fry isn't a fave ep of mine and Möbius Dick is. The Why of Fry is a solid ep, but I don't often get the urge to watch it. Möbius Dick is just plain awesome, it offers something fresh and fun, totally Sci-Fi and lots of laughs. Great animation, just sublime...

[Reply #257 on:]

Leela was badly out of her normal character, but this seems to have been required by the ploty, so I can more-or-less forgive it.  

Well..I cannot
No, kidding aside: I prefer the "character defines the story" attitude.
And -except the Captain Rank- Leela had hardly anything in common with Ahab.

Personally, I would have prefered Farnsworth to be on board: Getting the statue back in order not having to compensate the relatives would have been at least some plausible motivation.
And as he had the highest command authority, no problems with Leela here (and it would have been in character for her to lead a mutiny against Farnsworth to protect an animal).

[Reply #258 on:]

I prefer the story to be character-driven but I can forgive an episode for taking somebody slightly out of character in order to drive a plot that's somewhat engaging.

[Reply #259 on:]

Yes, but I was 50-50 on if he was telling the truth or pretending to say it was on purpose incase it was a huge goof and he was trying to cover it up. That's why I asked again.

Well, now there's a 25% chance that he was only pretending to respond. You better ask again, to get it down to 12.5%.

[Reply #260 on:]

I prefer the story to be character-driven but I can forgive an episode for taking somebody slightly out of character in order to drive a plot that's somewhat engaging.

This. Sure Leela's character got stretched a little, but then again even I sometimes act out of character in real life. There will be times in most people lives where they act out of character to what most people expect, even to family which have known them for years. It's not something which only happens in cartoons. In this instance it appears to have mainly been written to help carry the plot, a dangerous path, but as TNUK says I can forgive it because it's engaging and just a damn awesome ride all-round...

Besides, Leela has had her moments of madness in previous episodes so it could be argued that having another such moment is within her character traits to some extent anyway, even if in this instance it does somewhat contradict a few small elements of past information. Those are perhaps a little jarring, but I never said this ep was perfect, just extremely good and nearly there...

[Reply #261 on:]

I saw this the second time now since I watched it in its first airing. It is the second episode on the Volume 6 Dvd. Maybe I am just in a better mode watching these, but they're not as bad when I first saw them. Originally I see I gave this episode a 6, I would probably move it up to an 8 now. I still find Leela's obsession a little troubling to bear, however when watching this I remember she did have her own harpoon in The Deep South..

[Reply #262 on:]

I love this episode. I'm hysterical for it for some reason. I just love this episode so much it's so epic. The hilarious Zoidberg moments and Leela's crazy moments are just too good. 10/10.

[Reply #263 on:]

I see what Otis is saying, but I think I am a little perturbed by how much they exaggerate Leela to heavily enjoy this episode. I gave it an 8 because it certainly wasn't bad and the plot in particular was excellent, but it's not in my top twenty or probably even fifty.

[Reply #264 on:]

I think that it was good for the spoof, and at it also supports leela's hard working jon concept.

[Reply #265 on:]

I knew he's seen it, I meant a second viewing might be in order. But I guess I can't change that.

I did indeed watch it a second time. Upon first viewing, I was willing to give it a 4/10, because some Futurama episodes do not look too good upon  first viewing. The second time, I was just willing to rate it 2/10 (that one mercy point for the animation). I tried to watch it a third time, but stopped..

In fact , Möbius Dick is the reason why I will not buy Futurama volume 6. I was determined to throw the Möbius Dick containing DVD away, no matter what other episodes on that disc would have to be sacrificed. I expected the episodes to be split over at least 3 DVDs. When I found out that there are just two..well..the whole thing is just no longer worth it.

To cut a long story short: Yes, I really dislike Möbius Dick VERY MUCH.

[Reply #266 on:]

That's a bit sad and OTT, Hein. And you have bad taste.

[Reply #267 on:]

In fact , Möbius Dick is the reason why I will not buy Futurama volume 6. I was determined to throw the Möbius Dick containing DVD away, no matter what other episodes on that disc would have to be sacrificed.

Bit drastic isn't it? I don't much care for Holiday Craptacular, but I wouldn't even consider throwing the disc away just because it's on it. Also, Möbius Dick is not even a bad ep. I fail to see how you can hate it so much, it's pretty mind boggling ...

[Reply #268 on:]

I mean, throwing away a disc? Just skip the bloody episode. Silly.

[Reply #269 on:]

I once threw out an entire DVD set because one of the writers said the word "purple" in a commentary.

To be blunt, I really really REALLY hate the word "purple".

[Reply #270 on:]

Purple...

*Josh smashes his computer screen throwing it across the room*

[Reply #271 on:]

In fact , Möbius Dick is the reason why I will not buy Futurama volume 6. I was determined to throw the Möbius Dick containing DVD away, no matter what other episodes on that disc would have to be sacrificed.

Bit drastic isn't it? I don't much care for Holiday Craptacular, but I wouldn't even consider throwing the disc away just because it's on it. Also, Möbius Dick is not even a bad ep. I fail to see how you can hate it so much, it's pretty mind boggling ...

It's one of the quality episodes of 6B. Sci-Fi mind-boggling plots are what make some of the best episodes! (i.e: The Farnsworth Parabox, The Sting, etc.)

[Reply #272 on:]

There's no point arguing with him, guys. Anybody who would throw a disc away because they dislike one episode on it is clearly clinically insane.

[Reply #273 on:]

To be fair to Inquisitor Hein, when I asked him about it in IRC and he said that no, he wouldn't really throw the disc away, and went on to say that he didn't actually enjoy 6B enough to justify buying the set anyway (which I agree with him about).

He did make himself seem a bit silly by suggesting that he might do that though, and I'm not quite sure why he hasn't come out in this thread to clarify that he was exaggerating, but I figure we can stop bugging him about it now.

[Reply #274 on:]

See that's fair enough and not the behavior of a mad man.

[Reply #275 on:]

To be fair to Inquisitor Hein, when I asked him about it in IRC and he said that no, he wouldn't really throw the disc away, and went on to say that he didn't actually enjoy 6B enough to justify buying the set anyway (which I agree with him about).

Well...you still didn't get it.

a) I dislike Möbius Dick extremely. What many fail to see: A collection is not only for watching, is also about owning. Would you put e.g. the "Twilight Saga" in your bookshelf, even when not reading it? I doubt so. E.g: Many Star Wars Fans would draw the line of having an signature from Ahmed Best, or CGI haters even from Jerome Blake (though he's a really nice guy), etc....
So, it's not just a "not watching", Möbius Dick bears the clear characteristics of a "stain on the collection" for me. (other might see it different...but it's MY collection, after all )
Or, using a mathematical comparison, NOT owning Möbius Dick is worth some points for me.
b) Owning the other episodes of season 6B is also worth some points for me.
So, the question does arise: Do the points of owning 6B equal or surpass the points of not owning Möbius Dick?
My personal assessment:
- The season 6B episodes are not that good that they can equal that "stain" on the collection.
-Would Volume 6B have consisted of 3 Discs: Removing the Möbius Dick DVD would have left 2/3 of season 6B (without that stain) for full price, which still might have been worth it.
- Season 6B consists of 2 Discs: Removing the Möbius Dick DVD leaves 1/2 of season 6B at full price, and therefore not worth it.

Ergo: Purchase is not worth it.

[Reply #276 on:]

I'm not sure I understand that logic. If Möbius Dick is really that terrible, can't you just forget it exists or something? I mean, The Holiday Spectacular is on the same disc as the Prisoner of Benda, but that doesn't make me want to get rid of the disc...

[Reply #277 on:]

Inquisitor Hein clearly has a bit of mild OCD. His collection must be perfect, and he can't handle having something he hates as part of it in any way.

But he should also realize that to other people, that sounds odd. The comparison with having Twilight or Star Wars prequels in your collection is not apt, because that has more to do with other people's perceptions of what you own. You don't want other people to see that you have Twilight in your collection because you don't want people to think that you enjoy it.

With TV DVD sets, that's simply not an issue. Even if people somehow know every episode that is on a certain set (which is incredibly unlikely), nobody is going to assume that you like EVERY single episode in a DVD set just because you own it. Which means that the only factor in being uncomfortable with owning it is YOU. Which most people just can't get behind, because they're able to just simply not care about it. They're not as picky about their collections.

There's nothing wrong with having that pickiness, but you should own up to the fact that perhaps it's a unique issue.

[Reply #278 on:]

Yeah... almost every single disc of Futurama has at least one episode I'm not a big fan of:

Show spoiler

Season 1, Disc 1:
The Series has Landed
Season 1, Disc 2:
Fear of a Bot Planet
Season 1, Disc 3:
Mars University
Season 2, Disc 1:
A Head In the Polls
Season 2, Disc 2:
Raging Bender
Season 2, Disc 3:
Mother's Day
Season 2, Disc 4:
The Cryonic Woman
Season 3, Disc 2:
That's Lobstertainment!
Season 3, Disc 3:
A Leela of her Own
Season 3, Disc 4:
The 30% Iron Chef
Season 4, Disc 1:
A Taste of Freedom
Season 4, Disc 2:
Crimes of the Hot
Season 4, Disc 3:
Obsoletely Fabulous
Season 4, Disc 4:
Spanish Fry
Season "5", Disc 1:
In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela
Season "5", Disc 2:
The Futurama Holiday Spectacular
Season 6, Disc 1:
Neutopia
Season 6, Disc 2:
Yo Leela Leela

The only one that doesn't is Season 3, Disc 1.

[Reply #279 on:]

I once threw out an entire DVD set because one of the writers said the word "purple" in a commentary.

To be blunt, I really really REALLY hate the word "purple".

I didn't like the font.