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SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #120 on: 07-30-2011 04:45 »

I think the episode mostly focused on visual gags, rather then quotes.
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« Reply #121 on: 07-30-2011 05:03 »

The fact that it was Tom Baker is a bonus, yes?

I made myself an exact duplicate of that guy's scarf! :D

Which?

I personally want Season 18's magnificent work.

I'm derailing this, and I don't care!

I am going to post the most awesome website address in the entire world. Brace yourself:

http://www.doctorwhoscarf.com/
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« Reply #122 on: 07-30-2011 05:25 »

Been on it! That's where I found out what Season the scarf I love was from.

:D
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« Reply #123 on: 07-30-2011 06:06 »

This episode was a fast paced, straight up sci-fi episode of Futurama.  That's just what I needed after last week's stinker.  "I'm 40% scrap metal!"  I loved Bender being mistaken for different mechanical things.  They could have trimmed out some of the opening act and used the time to show a little of how they set history back (somewhat) correctly, but it's a minor gripe.  8/10
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« Reply #124 on: 07-30-2011 06:11 »

Been on it! That's where I found out what Season the scarf I love was from.

:D

The instructions on that site are a whole lot better than the cheap, vague attempt at a replica that was the BBC's official pattern. :puke:

No, do not attempt this. It will be lousy and awful in comparison to the genuine, actual design.


I think mine's a Season 15, but I've got a 16 on the needles somewhere.

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« Reply #125 on: 07-30-2011 06:26 »

I have to wonder if Baker kept the original.
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #126 on: 07-30-2011 06:40 »

Us New Englander's are unlike our Midwestern and Southern Counterparts. Unfortunately, we are also a lot more progressive. You win this time. ARGGGG!!!!

I would like to point out that I'm from rural New England (in particular, a small part of RI), and most of the people who live around me are just as stupid and redneck-y as all those stereotypes about Midwesterners/Southerners. Also, the area where I live is actually very conservative and Republican (my area is rare, though, RI is a blue state).

what's your point? i'm talking macro, fool. also, where you from? chepachet?

ps: autocrat is teh WIN!
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« Reply #127 on: 07-30-2011 07:04 »

I liked the 'Ead Museum. :D
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #128 on: 07-30-2011 09:09 »

Did anyone else think that this episode was lacking in great quotes?


i rather enjoyed: bender bit a poo penny!
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« Reply #129 on: 07-30-2011 09:17 »

I liked the 'Ead Museum. :D

Yeah, I thought that was a nice touch as well :D

Did anyone else think that this episode was lacking in great quotes?


i rather enjoyed: bender bit a poo penny!

Oh yeah, that was good. :) Also, Fry's reason for having his night-job was great.
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« Reply #130 on: 07-30-2011 11:07 »

It's 3 am and I watched this episode hours ago, but I'm just now getting around to this thread. Good episode, I really liked it, have more to comment on but it's 3 am.

8.5/10 (I guess I'll poll that as a 9)
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« Reply #131 on: 07-30-2011 11:12 »

This episode was OK, one of the better of the post movie era
it confirms to me that they are out of ideas, doing another time travel episode which they said they used to say they didn't really want to do is still better than pop culture references and swearing for shock value
too many tired plot devices and clichés to raise it too high
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« Reply #132 on: 07-30-2011 11:14 »

I DEMAND MORE PARABOX DAMN IT.
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« Reply #133 on: 07-30-2011 11:31 »
« Last Edit on: 07-30-2011 11:32 »

Not to imagine how differently WW1 would have ended without interference of the USA...

Just gonna throw my two pooh pennies in, if the American colonies had remained as duty-bound to Britain as the episode suggests, then likely American troops would have been deployed even sooner, just like their Canadian and Newfoundlander and ANZAC counterparts - and counterparts from the rest of the British Empire, and the Allies could have had a greater advantage earlier on.

That said, the assumption of the episode is that the British Empire would have gone on to either buy or conquer the rest of modern-day America. Had we not lost the Independence War, perhaps we would have been bold enough. But even as excellent being a British subject is, I doubt there would have been the same level of immigration to America in the years after, it would not have developed the same way, may still be split between the Spanish, French, British and Russian Empires (oh and the locals too) and the rest of history would have been very different.

As you say, yes, the little dynamics. :)

Perhaps they could do an episode where they go back and stop the English from capturing New York in the first place, and have a segment set in New New Amsterdam where they can rip the piss out of the Dutch? :p
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« Reply #134 on: 07-30-2011 12:16 »
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I'm really intrigued by the opening cartoon for this episode. It's taken from a promo video made only last year, for a proposed (but ultimately unsuccessful) mascot for the 2014 Winter Olympics: Zoich.

Interestingly, the mascot is apparently based on Hypnotoad.
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« Reply #135 on: 07-30-2011 12:21 »

I thought this one was pretty good but I only gave it 7 out of 10 because the British humour was just a tad too stereotypical and unoriginal for my taste.

I suppose we should be thankful that they didn't try to work a Sarah Palin reference into the Paul Revere material.
Zed 85

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« Reply #136 on: 07-30-2011 12:54 »

I'm really intrigued by the opening cartoon for this episode. It's taken from a promo video made only last year, for a proposed (but ultimately unsuccessful) mascot for the 2014 Winter Olympics: Zoich.

Interestingly, the mascot is apparently based on Hypnotoad.

A homage to a homage it seems. :) I had seen the mascot before, but not the promo, which I think is one of the best things I've now ever seen. Even at the time it was obvious that Zoich was too brilliant to be a mascot. Instead we'll see relatively unimaginative ones including a polar bear that is a blatant rip-off of the Moscow 1980 mascot. But at least they make slightly more sense than the London mascots...
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« Reply #137 on: 07-30-2011 13:51 »

This ep wasn't a fave of mine, I guess I wasn't interested in the time period they went back to, or the characters back there. It was boring back there, but American history doesn’t interest me. It certainly isn't why I watch Futurama. They shouldn’t have just accepted Bender back there either, I mean he’s a freaking robot! It was clool seeing British America even if it did feel a bit cheap. The art and designs were fantastic. The stereotypical British humour wasn't good or funny, neither was the Queen. The British accents were cringe worthy too...

I had big problems with two aspects which others have already pointed out in this thread:

awesome episode, but felt rushed at the end.  Also, I'm confused.  So, if you lick or drink the head in jars you go back in time?  How come in Leela of her own, Hank Aaron didn't go back in time when he drank from Wade Boggs head?

I was wondering that as well.

Another continuity error which contradicts the original run. Seems to be happening on a weekly basis now :nono:...

It annoyed me that they've used all of that opal substance that's known to exist now seeing as they need it for heads in jars. Surely that means no new fluid for current heads in jars and no new heads in jars can ever exist now (although they can introduce us to heads in jars we haven't seen before. I just mean, if Hermes' head gets cut off again, then they can't put it in a jar till they fix his body now, surely?).

This bothered me greatly. If they’re going to introduce a silly time travel method at least make it have some consistency without messing with potential future continuity...

There were a few funny moments and good lines, and I liked the concept of Fry having a second job at the Head Museum. Overall not very impressed with this ep though...

6/10

Next week is the episode I’m really looking forward to. Let’s hope it lives up...
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« Reply #138 on: 07-30-2011 14:34 »

I'm really intrigued by the opening cartoon for this episode. It's taken from a promo video made only last year, for a proposed (but ultimately unsuccessful) mascot for the 2014 Winter Olympics: Zoich.

Interestingly, the mascot is apparently based on Hypnotoad.

I was wondering where that clip came from. It seemed quite...modern, to me.

I suppose we should be thankful that they didn't try to work a Sarah Palin reference into the Paul Revere material.

Oh, thank merciful Zombie Jesus for that one. Though, speaking of Paul Revere, and since everyone's talking about this episode's quotability: I loved his badmouthing of the redcoats, as well as "Pray do not fhit your pants." The entire s-or-f thing was a neat runner throughout the episode.
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« Reply #139 on: 07-30-2011 14:36 »

If I ever go back in time and wind up in Colonial America, I'm going to smother Paul Revere and George Washington with their wigs before coming home. I want to see what the world would be like today if we hadn't lost the colonies.
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« Reply #140 on: 07-30-2011 16:36 »

I really enjoyed this one, even more than last week's. There were some great moments in here, and I laughed a lot. I loved Fry's "Now I get it!" line, and Bender constantly being mistaken for other machines. I also enjoyed the British version of NNY...even those accents I found amusing for some reason. Also, no out-of-place modern day pop culture jokes in this episode, which is great.

Some problems I had with the episode have already been discussed here, such as: 
It annoyed me that they've used all of that opal substance that's known to exist now seeing as they need it for heads in jars. Surely that means no new fluid for current heads in jars and no new heads in jars can ever exist now (although they can introduce us to heads in jars we haven't seen before. I just mean, if Hermes' head gets cut off again, then they can't put it in a jar till they fix his body now, surely?).

I also felt that some of the party scene could have been cut out for other material, and some parts felt a bit rushed.

But overall, this was still a good episode. I was thoroughly entertained. 8/10.

Just an observation, I notice they've been using the full opening sequence a lot more recently. Which is great, because I've always enjoyed those little cartoons on the TV screen. I was also wondering what was that modern-looking clip they used for this week, so thanks for that insight on "Zoich", Dorsal Axe.
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« Reply #141 on: 07-30-2011 17:03 »
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On the plus side the animation was pretty good in this ep, I didn't come across anything that immediately stood out as sub-par. The flying London bus was the highlight :D...
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« Reply #142 on: 07-30-2011 17:24 »

Not really the worst episode, but still bad. There is another time travel method, completely stupid. And the episode only started to be interesting 5 minute before the end. I was wondering how they could change back the history, but we didn't see it, maybe the writers weren't enough creative.

For me the best part was the alternate future of New New York, and I think the episode should have been focused on that. The first act was pretty unfunny with the party and the president's heads that we have already seen in previous episodes.

The 1776 part was boring, and incomprehensible for all the peoples like me, who don"t know anything about that period. I still don't know who is that Revere and I don't care. Futurama is supposed to be in the future, not in the past. At least, the other time travel episodes involved paradoxes, and resolved questions. But in this episode, nothing new is learned in the episode.

I'll rate it 4/10 because it has still some jokes or references "screwed the granny"
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« Reply #143 on: 07-30-2011 17:31 »

I was wondering how they could change back the history, but we didn't see it, maybe the writers weren't enough creative.

Fry and Farnsworth explain that all they did differently the second time they went to the 1700s was leaving the lantern alone and whacking David Farnsworth to near-or-actual-death. I agree that it would have been nice to actually follow the crew on their second pass through history (even if it was just, like, a thirty-second montage of what went down), but I don't think a lack of creativity is what accounts for the ending. It's mostly time constraints, it seems, and a bloated first act that took up time that might have been used later on in the third act.
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« Reply #144 on: 07-30-2011 17:36 »

That's I said, the first act was just too long.
The head museum scene should only have been 2 minutes
Then they travel in time and changed history at the end of the first act.
Second and third act: alternate future
2 minutes before the end, they changed back history.

The episode would have been much better.
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« Reply #145 on: 07-30-2011 19:20 »

Benderloveer, shut up. You're obviously a troll or taking the piss. Who likes Yo Leela Leela over this?!
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« Reply #146 on: 07-30-2011 19:31 »

The stuff in the past was far from incomprehensible, I fear you may just be stupid. Having no knowledge of that period is your problem, not the show's and it was still very easy to follow the storyline regardless of how much you know about that period.
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« Reply #147 on: 07-30-2011 19:40 »

Not really the worst episode, but still bad. There is another time travel method, completely stupid. And the episode only started to be interesting 5 minute before the end. I was wondering how they could change back the history, but we didn't see it, maybe the writers weren't enough creative.

Oh boy, we get to see them put back the lamp! It's vital that I see that!
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« Reply #148 on: 07-30-2011 19:59 »

Or simply not remove it.
 
One thought tho, if you lick Farnsworths head, would it take you back to the correct era? I mean he lived longer and such. Just a ponder.
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« Reply #149 on: 07-30-2011 20:46 »

This ep wasn't a fave of mine, I guess I wasn't interested in the time period they went back to, or the characters back there. It was boring back there, but American history doesn’t interest me. It certainly isn't why I watch Futurama. They shouldn’t have just accepted Bender back there either, I mean he’s a freaking robot! It was clool seeing British America even if it did feel a bit cheap. The art and designs were fantastic. The stereotypical British humour wasn't good or funny, neither was the Queen. The British accents were cringe worthy too...

I had big problems with two aspects which others have already pointed out in this thread:

awesome episode, but felt rushed at the end.  Also, I'm confused.  So, if you lick or drink the head in jars you go back in time?  How come in Leela of her own, Hank Aaron didn't go back in time when he drank from Wade Boggs head?

I was wondering that as well.

Another continuity error which contradicts the original run. Seems to be happening on a weekly basis now :nono:...

It annoyed me that they've used all of that opal substance that's known to exist now seeing as they need it for heads in jars. Surely that means no new fluid for current heads in jars and no new heads in jars can ever exist now (although they can introduce us to heads in jars we haven't seen before. I just mean, if Hermes' head gets cut off again, then they can't put it in a jar till they fix his body now, surely?).

This bothered me greatly. If they’re going to introduce a silly time travel method at least make it have some consistency without messing with potential future continuity...

There were a few funny moments and good lines, and I liked the concept of Fry having a second job at the Head Museum. Overall not very impressed with this ep though...

6/10

Next week is the episode I’m really looking forward to. Let’s hope it lives up...

i've now noticed a few folks commenting on there being no more opal on earth. i shut my mouth until now.

SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY CAN TRAVEL IT!!! INTERPLANETARY COMMERCE!!!!!!!!! how does it work?
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #150 on: 07-30-2011 20:50 »

Benderloveer, shut up. You're obviously a troll or taking the piss. Who likes Yo Leela Leela over this?!

moronic morons do, my good sir.
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« Reply #151 on: 07-30-2011 21:24 »

i've now noticed a few folks commenting on there being no more opal on earth. i shut my mouth until now.

SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY CAN TRAVEL IT!!! INTERPLANETARY COMMERCE!!!!!!!!! how does it work?

Please refer me to the episode/episodes in which it is confirmed that it exists somewhere else in the universe and nullifies that this is an assumption...
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« Reply #152 on: 07-30-2011 21:29 »

Dr. Cahill merely says "the world's entire supply", so there's nothing to say there isn't any more in the entire universe or something.
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« Reply #153 on: 07-30-2011 21:31 »

moronic morons do, my good sir.

Damn straight!
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« Reply #154 on: 07-30-2011 21:35 »

Dr. Cahill merely says "the world's entire supply", so there's nothing to say there isn't any more in the entire universe or something.

Why would she say it if not for the suggested implication that that is all there is left that’s obtainable for this purpose? Why would more than one viewer interpret it this way if that was not the intended purpose in her saying it? Those are the questions I have to raise to refute your point that it could theoretically exist elsewhere in the universe. That then leads me back to this...

Please refer me to the episode/episodes in which it is confirmed that it exists somewhere else in the universe and nullifies that this is an assumption...
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« Reply #155 on: 07-30-2011 21:55 »

i've now noticed a few folks commenting on there being no more opal on earth. i shut my mouth until now.

SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY CAN TRAVEL IT!!! INTERPLANETARY COMMERCE!!!!!!!!! how does it work?

Please refer me to the episode/episodes in which it is confirmed that it exists somewhere else in the universe and nullifies that this is an assumption...

Please refer me to the episode/episodes in which it is confirmed that it doesn't exist somewhere else in the universe.
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« Reply #156 on: 07-30-2011 22:02 »

i've now noticed a few folks commenting on there being no more opal on earth. i shut my mouth until now.

SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY CAN TRAVEL IT!!! INTERPLANETARY COMMERCE!!!!!!!!! how does it work?

Please refer me to the episode/episodes in which it is confirmed that it exists somewhere else in the universe and nullifies that this is an assumption...

Please refer me to the episode/episodes in which it is confirmed that it doesn't exist somewhere else in the universe.

Why would she say it if not for the suggested implication that that is all there is left that’s obtainable for this purpose? Why would more than one viewer interpret it this way if that was not the intended purpose in her saying it? Those are the questions I have to raise to refute your point that it could theoretically exist elsewhere in the universe...
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« Reply #157 on: 07-30-2011 23:02 »

I dislike time travel episodes other than "Roswell That Ends Well" on general principle, but if we have to have them, this one wasn't too bad.

If I ever go back in time and wind up in Colonial America, I'm going to smother Paul Revere and George Washington with their wigs before coming home. I want to see what the world would be like today if we hadn't lost the colonies.

I'm pretty sure it would involve big stompy robots and a Byronic hero with mind control powers.  Unfortunately.
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« Reply #158 on: 07-30-2011 23:04 »

Please don't make Britain like NNY after time is altered tnuk... :(
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« Reply #159 on: 07-30-2011 23:39 »

i've now noticed a few folks commenting on there being no more opal on earth. i shut my mouth until now.

SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY CAN TRAVEL IT!!! INTERPLANETARY COMMERCE!!!!!!!!! how does it work?

Please refer me to the episode/episodes in which it is confirmed that it exists somewhere else in the universe and nullifies that this is an assumption...

Please refer me to the episode/episodes in which it is confirmed that it doesn't exist somewhere else in the universe.

Why would she say it if not for the suggested implication that that is all there is left that’s obtainable for this purpose? Why would more than one viewer interpret it this way if that was not the intended purpose in her saying it? Those are the questions I have to raise to refute your point that it could theoretically exist elsewhere in the universe...


you know what happens when you make assumptions, don't you? i realize that this is a double edged sword, but i also didn't begin making assumptions.
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