Thoughts on 6ACV09 - A Clockwork Origin - SPOILERS

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Defiantly my favorite episode of the season!

[Reply #201 on:]

"This is a cool way to diiiiie!"

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Also, I liked it when they were in the dark cave and they did the cartoon gag where all we can see is their eyeballs. And we get to see Leela's one eye, and Bender's robot eyes, and stuff. Very cute! I'm surprised they've never done that gag before.

A comment that I've been meaning to make here: Matt Groening once said that in his cartoons, the characters all have unique sillhouettes. Maybe the different eyes for everyone is an extension of that idea.

[Reply #203 on:]

Possible. But it doesn't do for for example The Simpsons.

[Reply #204 on:]

Oops, I left out a "should" in there somewhere ... The characters should all have unique sillhouettes ... Please, Master Matt, not the pain ray! Aaaaaaagh!

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I think it was a decent episode. Not great, but plenty of LOL moments.

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Great concept having the Professor thrown into a situation in which he has to defend creationism right on the heels of a spirited defense of evolution.  I didn't think the execution was all that it could have been and then there was the shameful, gratuitous display of Amy and Leela in tattered clothing...and that made it all better again. 

[Reply #207 on:]

The not bad episodes make the great ones even better. Good episode. Come on, an intelligent orangatang with human reasoning defending creationism. What is not funny about that?

[Reply #208 on:]

In my opinion, one of the best of the season 6. It had some funny bits, and the evolution storyline held out strong. Also enjoyed that "Flying Spaghetti Monster" cameo. I didn't really enjoy the Zoidberg/Cubert subplot, because it wasn't really that interesting in my opinion. Nonetheless, it was a good episode.

8/10

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So.......have Orangutan's(their brains, in particular) evolved that much in 1000 years, or was Banjo just a science experiment? if it's the former, i'd be interested in hearing their explanation for the sudden fluctuation in evolution.

Edit: I'd also like to mention how hilarious the line "Go back to Roboklahoma" was.

[Reply #210 on:]

Regarding animals with brains, there's that Zebra guy in TBWABB.

'This is bogus, man.'

[Reply #211 on:]

Eight out of ten.  Interesting story but not many laughs.   Normally I would give it a 7, but I appreciate all the creativity that went into designing the gorgeous robot planetoid, and bringing it to life.  That alone is enough to raise it up a notch.  Hell, without the honking swan, I might have given it a six. 

Still, I wonder what happened to Dr Widnar?  Is she a robot gas form now, or is she still herself on some distant planet?

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The story falsely included establishment of civilisation as a part of evolution.

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True, but we have seen in TLPJF that civilization collapses, rises again, then collapses, humans devolve into brutal ape like creatures, and so on.   The robot evolution is much faster and more efficiant, and their soceity never seems to collapse.  Rather they ascent to a higher plane of existance in a few days, while the next billion years of human civilization looks mostly... rather bleak.  (overthrown by giraffes and space cows, evolve into purple imps that get slaughtered by the ape things that the other half of humanty evolved into, are almost wiped into extinction by robots...)

"Bwahaha! Spongebob and Kim Possible! Because he didn't like this episode of Futurama! So he must be a big baby! LOLZ!!11"

If that's your idea of wit, your appreciation of this episode suddenly makes a whole lot of sense.

Kindly keep your arrogant prickitude to yourself. I don't care how long you've been here or how many smug, self-important posts you've made. I'm not impressed, humbled, or amused by it, and will continue to post my opinions on episodes as frequently or infrequently as I choose.

If you feel the need to respond to someone's opinion on a TV show with personal insults, that's your issue.

Try saying you hate Harry Potter on a public forum.  Chances are, you're going to get a lot of threats and hate messages by people who actually are offended by someone on the internet not liking something they like. 

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Who are you quoting?  Please use the quote feature!

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Try saying you hate Harry Potter on a public forum.  Chances are, you're going to get a lot of threats and hate messages by people who actually are offended by someone on the internet not liking something they like. 

I do have to  wonder why you'd say such a thing on a Harry Potter forum.

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Try saying you hate Harry Potter on a public forum.  Chances are, you're going to get a lot of threats and hate messages by people who actually are offended by someone on the internet not liking something they like. 

I do have to  wonder why you'd say such a thing on a Harry Potter forum.

I wouldn't.  But if you ever are in a discussion about it and say why you don't like it, you can expect lots of "GO KILL YOURSELF 27 MILLION PEOPLE LOVE HP SO SHUT UP AND GO TO HELL" and "YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE ITS HIGH LITERATURE SO SHUT UP YOU DON'T KNOW IT" and people generally acting as though the character is real and cured cancer.  Like I said I joined a site for people who dislike the series, and its is constantly swarmed by fans, outraged that someone on the internet dislikes something they like.

Anyway.

I think this was an interesting epsiode.  The writing could have been better (it really needed more jokes) but it was a good story, showed that the concept of god and evolution need not be exclusive of eachother (I can easily see a god, if there is one iniating the big bang and letting the cosmos and life evolve, or actually planning everything in advance over time.  Like our dna contains the code that the god or gods put into us or something/) 
And it was easily one of the most beautiful and artistically creative Futuramas around.  I want a honking robot swan or my very own tricicyle tops.

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Robot Dinosaurs! Banjo! Flying Spaghetti Monster!! Also, the whole PE crew is there throughout the episode, great jokes...and for a science fiction show to leave the question open to whether or not a God could have set evolution in motion, well, that's the honey mustard on your poppler. 9/10!

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So.......have Orangutan's(their brains, in particular) evolved that much in 1000 years, or was Banjo just a science experiment? if it's the former, i'd be interested in hearing their explanation for the sudden fluctuation in evolution.

Edit: I'd also like to mention how hilarious the line "Go back to Roboklahoma" was.

no one has thoughts on this?

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Roboklahoma was pretty funny...and if my memory of certain History Channel specials serves right, I believe there have been both slow and super progressive eras of evolution when it comes to homosapiens. So maybe  orangutans experieced a great evolutionary growth spurt between 2000-3000. A reeeally great growth spurt.

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So.......have Orangutan's(their brains, in particular) evolved that much in 1000 years, or was Banjo just a science experiment? if it's the former, i'd be interested in hearing their explanation for the sudden fluctuation in evolution.

Edit: I'd also like to mention how hilarious the line "Go back to Roboklahoma" was.

no one has thoughts on this?

Did they say if he was a space Orang Utan?  We've seen alien animals of all sorts, from cats to spiders to rhinos. 

[Reply #221 on:]

Great episode! I enjoyed seeing how things quickly changed over the planet as it "evolved". It was full of great laughs and had a well-executed plot. It also had this wonderful line: "I don't want to live on this planet anymore."

[Reply #222 on:]

When I first saw this episode, I thought it was a bit "meh". However it improved on multiple viewings and is now my 4th favourite episode of 6A.

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It also had this wonderful line: "I don't want to live on this planet anymore."

Yes, that has become somewhat of a classic line from the show and definitely one of the most frequently quoted since the airing of this episode. I see the frame grab with caption commonly used on other forums I visit, non-Futurama forums and it's often used in non-Futurama related threads. The following pic to be precise...

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There was also the great Flying Spaghetti Monster joke, that was great!

[Reply #225 on:]

The FSM reference was not a joke, heathen.  May His Noodly Appendage touch your unbelieving heart and save you from the dark abyss where no one knows the joy of pasta.

[Reply #226 on:]

Tachyon that's just gonna go right over his head...

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At least he's actually discussing the episodes in these review threads

It's been a while since I saw this one, from what I remember it was okay, maybe in the 8 or 9 range...I will have to watch it again and find out. Who knows it may get better on the rewatch, as we have been discussing in another thread.

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Tachyon that's just gonna go right over his head...

I know the whole FSM thing! http://www.venganza.org/

[Reply #229 on:]

Highlights of things that made me laugh in this:
To the science mobile! (and Leela's comments after)
I don't understand evolution, and I have to protect my kids from understanding it!
You people are as loud as you are ignorant!
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Bender's spring with eyes.
Tricycle-Tops.
Herme's had a cup of coffee.  The cup had a pair of holes in it that you could see the level of the coffee through, with nothing spilling.
Help!  Police!
This is a cool way to die!
I thought myself to knit!
All we have is my fan dance.
The robo-museum's display of robo-evolution.
Farnsworth's find and himself were named Homo Farnsworth.
The courthouse "Superior GORT"
You in a wholeeee mess o trouble!  (Great delivery by Bender)
Well, digital photographs don't lie.
Farnsworth and Banjo laughing at Bender's Creator Robot idea.

[Reply #230 on:]

"I'm serious, he's a terrible person!" 

Probably my favourite Zoidberg quote in the series.

[Reply #231 on:]

I liked the necktie line.

[Reply #232 on:]

Well, digital photographs don't lie.

I love how characters in Futurama seem to believe the stupidest things without questioning them.

[Reply #233 on:]

That's very true, like Fry always believes Flexo's "first" comment.

[Reply #234 on:]

I like that they dared to ridicule scientists too, for not being beyond ideology.

Let's face it: Ridiculing literal creationists (the whole world created in 6 days and whatnot) is hardly any rebellious, critical act any more (especially, when the creationists  do most of the ridiculing themselves )
But to take on the scientific side, rejecting ideas not because of scientific reasons, but just because they do not fit into their personal theories, was something rather new

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What also made this episode good, was the fact that it took both sides, Retarded Religion and The Stuff That Makes Sense.

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I like how Billy West says "Cool story bro." on the commentary.

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What also made this episode good, was the fact that it took both sides, Retarded Religion and The Stuff That Makes Sense.

And what makes your phrasing good is that you have absorbed the episode's message of acceptance and happy coexistence by referring to religion as "retarded!"

Seriously, though, I agree that this episode should be commended for talking about a social issue in an even-handed way. I suspect that the writers agree with Farnsworth's view of evolution trumping intelligent design, but they portray both theories positively; I think the compromise made at episode's end, that some intelligent being might have set things up so that evolution could occur in the first place, is representative of the way a lot of people view this particular issue. By that same token, the episode neither denigrates religion nor exalts science, so it manages to explore a complex issue without alienating viewers who fall on either end of the ideological spectrum. That's no easy task (and, for what it's worth, it makes me wonder how the writers could have failed so miserably at making "Proposition Infinity" remotely fair to those who oppose gay marriage).

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It sorta stops contraversy, and you just keep watching from pure entertainment...I love this episode.

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Seriously, though, I agree that this episode should be commended for talking about a social issue in an even-handed way. I suspect that the writers agree with Farnsworth's view of evolution trumping intelligent design, but they portray both theories positively; I think the compromise made at episode's end, that some intelligent being might have set things up so that evolution could occur in the first place, is representative of the way a lot of people view this particular issue. By that same token, the episode neither denigrates religion nor exalts science, so it manages to explore a complex issue without alienating viewers who fall on either end of the ideological spectrum. That's no easy task (and, for what it's worth, it makes me wonder how the writers could have failed so miserably at making "Proposition Infinity" remotely fair to those who oppose gay marriage).

Regarding political correctness, the Futurama writers are imhO the most cowardly ones of the big series (MacFarlane dares much more, not to mention South Park). PC claims that everyone opposing gay marrriage is a right wing, religious extremist/is gay himself/is just too stupid and intolerant? That's the kind of message the Futurama writers are immediatelly willing to go for.

As moderate gay marriage opponents do not have a screaming PC crybaby group, no danger from their side. Groening has always been very eager to embrace PC backed double standards on a "play it safe" basis.

I am rather amazed that they dared to go for a halfway fair representation of evolution set in motion by some intelligent being  in "Clockwork Origin" (and I wish they would dare something like that more often), but the "fairness" regarding gay marriage opposition was exactly what I expected.