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It's not emotional resonance I'm trying to preserve by insisting that the time model portrayed is cyclical, it's the sense-making and scientific integrity of the episode (and the show as a whole).
I know that, but my point is that, until someone actually invents a forward time machine and sticks it out to the end of the universe, nothing that happened in this episode is any more or less scientifically accurate than what might happen in our own world. I'm sure the writers left the whole thing kind of ambiguous deliberately to spark such debate, but ultimately I've got to agree with FOA: people are gonna believe what makes them happy. I mentioned emotional resonance because that's still in tact no matter what you choose to believe scientifically, and being a girl full of girlish thoughts and feelings, I care a lot about, uh, caring about the characters. How did the Tard... Forward Time Machine manage to stay in one spot (New New York) all the time where "one spot" was moving around the Earth's axis, the sun, the galaxy, etc. throughout time. And yet, it was also at the Luitpoldarena in Nürnberg. I think we don't have a full understanding of what the Time Machine can do
I assumed that the time machine stayed in one spot (which would explain why Leela receives the card, Fry taking a walk and discovering the Cavern on the Green, and why the PE crew is able to witness the building's construction and all of the events from previous episodes on their second pass through the universe), but that whole killing Hitler thing does make me question that. Didn't Farnsworth get out of the time machine to do it, though? And can't we assume that it's a far-reaching laser? Maybe he just stood on the coast overlooking the Atlantic Ocean, fired, and hoped for the best. And that would explain why he accidentally killed Eleanor Roosevelt the second time though, because she could have been in New York at the time and Farnsworth was only shooting through the window. [/bullshit explanation]
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cyber_turnip
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its also impossible absurd even for futurama standards (ship moves the entire universe arround.. etc) Correct me if I'm wrong, but after that episode aired, didn't some scientist come out with a theory that basically said if they ever crack long-space journeys, that'll be how? They weren't referencing the episode, it was just a case of life immitating art. I'll go with the linearly repeating multiple bang theory myself and be more perplexed with the space component of space-time travel. How did the Tard... Forward Time Machine manage to stay in one spot (New New York) all the time where "one spot" was moving around the Earth's axis, the sun, the galaxy, etc. throughout time. And yet, it was also at the Luitpoldarena in Nürnberg. I think we don't have a full understanding of what the Time Machine can do
It's completely possible that the time machine was programmed to travel relative to that position on Earth, but that it could also be driven around when they felt like it. considering that spot involved Germany at one point , or the very spot where "that fish" went into dry land , i think "how it stayed in the same place" is not the main problem It might not have been the first fish to do it, just one that did it in front of where they were.
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Javier Lopez
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but after that episode aired, didn't some scientist come out with a theory that basically said if they ever crack long-space journeys, that'll be how? They weren't referencing the episode, it was just a case of life immitating art.
I was saying absurd in a good way.. not critizing.. A theory that states that a ship can move the entire universe arround? where?. And i was saying absurd in a fun way.. Red Dward has also moments like that , the 3million year plot, the fact that at some point the ship goes to light speed wich involves more time contraction.. times when one character gets trapped 600 years due to some worm hole distortion but for the others only 6 minutes went by.. etc Futurama is clearly "having absurd fun with the science we know today"
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Svip
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That they were more successful? I don't think it was referring anything, other than to illustrate they now had success and could make all sorts of express ships.
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Frisco17
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The point was that it was a much bigger ship and thus could carry more cargo which shows that they're delivering a lot more than they used to.
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This episode was great but im starting to get disapointed with the humor of the new season. The storyline has been great don't get me wrong. What i haven't seen yet is something that has made my stomach hurt because i was laughing so hard like i saw with soo many of the episodes of season 4. It was a great episode but i guess im looking for a bit more.
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Ralph Snart
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« Reply #296 on: 08-03-2010 05:43 »
« Last Edit on: 08-03-2010 05:51 »
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Oh, you kids. There's an advantage to being old as dirt - you remember things from long ago. There was a British Sci-Fi TV program that ran from 1975 to 1979 named SPACE: 1999. Long story short, their main transportation was a Ship Class named Eagle. I recognized it immediately but I was waiting on any other ancient piece of flesh (Cap't Skusking, Crash_7 or Filthy Crab) to ID it first. I may have to see if there are episodes of this show available. From a science viewpoint, it was horrible, but from my formative teenaged sci-fi geek years, it was the only sci-fi TV available other than reruns of Star Trek and Lost In Space.
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Fnord
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Was anyone else hoping to see a restaurant during the end of the universe?
Great call! I didn't think of this at the time of watching it, but in hindsight... this would have been an excellent opportunity to reference one of the all time great scifi comedies (from another all time great scifi comedy)!
It certainly reminded me of it ... Maybe the Time Machine was "The Bar At The End of the Universe"? Of course, TRATEOTU served alcohol as well ... No one seems to have mentioned cryonics in the thread (other than via TCW). After all, Futurama started off with that "one-way time machine"! ATDSFAI
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winna
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Did anyone notice that when Planet Express was depicted in 3030, the classic PE Ship was extended in the middle similar to a stretch limo by some kind of boxy structure. Was that a visual gag?
If yes, what was it referencing? Because I didn't get it.
Planet Express in general terms is the same as Federal Express... the boxy parts are containers for freight. The similarity was also made in the episode with That 80's Guy to an even greater degree: PlanEx. I thought this was a pretty sweet episode.
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SorynArkayn
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Ok.
But if Fry had some vague idea that it might be possible to travel forward in time to another iteration of the universe, wouldn't he have mentioned it in the year 1 billion when the Professor declared that all life was gone? He knows that the time machine is unaffected by the physical universe and wouldn't have feared being destroyed. Being stuck in the lifeless future wouldn't have seemed so hopeless. Fry seems to think that the present universe is the only one they get.
Just because Fry assumed that time was cyclical earlier in Futurama doesn't mean he predicted what happened in this episode -- it was just one of the countless dumb things Fry has said over the years. And don't forget, he reversed his position in "The Cryonic Woman" when he told the freezer guy who wanted to meet Shakespeare that time wasn't cyclical, but a straight line. I'm certain that Fry, Bender, and the Professor assumed that when they reached the end of universe, that was it. That's why their blasé attitude was so funny and ironically appropriate, that they chose to commemorate the ocassion by cracking open a few beers and toasting the end of everything. It was a remarkably dignified way to go out. Perhaps the Professor was familiar with the theory of "The Big Crunch" (the theory that after the universe ceases its expansion that the process will reverse and it will gradually collapse on itself and form a universal singularity), but I doubt he believed that there would be a second Big Bang and the universe would be re-created exactly as it was before. That's simply what happened in the episode; and it was a contrivance to explain how the three of them returned to their time after they failed to acquire a Backward-Time Machine.
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Svip
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It's spelt 'Möbius', gurl.
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Svip
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This is my favourite review: #176 by Mili I am pondering about never watching Futurama again. Seriously.
This cartoon has given me more entertainment than any other show I ever have followed. I have seen every single Futurama episode at least 10 times, But in reality I'm trying to lower the number so that I don't seem to have no life .
Every episode has been quirky, and different in it's own special way. Some were better, some were genial (the sting), and some were there to pass time.
And so I watch this one and decide to stop watching Futurama. To me this episode can't be surpassed, it sucked me in like a giant black hole while I wished that the ride would go on for 3 hours. It literally gave me chills for the last 10 minutes, that's how good it was.
This feeling I have only had once before in my life (when watching a movie), from Braveheart, when the boy receives a rose from the girl as he stands at his father's grave, and when Mel Gibson shouts "Freedom" in the end.
That has never been surpassed for me in movies, and this episode will in all likelihood never be surpassed by a superior Futurama part down the line. This is it for me with this show.
Thanks for the makers of all episodes, and for the ones that made this one, I give infinity over 10. Unbelieavable uniqueness, creativity, charm.
Mili gave 5 points
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Svip
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I wonder how the profesor was so sure that the "second" universe (for all we know it was the "inifinte-th universe") was identical to the first ... it could be quite different in many details or time could be a loop and that universe be the same before only "played" again
Well, he based that on the fact that the Sun and Earth was forming right in front of them, which means there were at the exact same location. Given the vastness of space; this is very unlikely for it to reoccur in the space twice. If the universes weren't identical. Give what occurred on the newformed Earth, his theory was ever confirmed.
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