Thoughts on Season 6 - SPOILERS

[Reply #360 on:]

I watched Hell is other Robots today, I dont remember any complaints about the jacking on in the toilet scene joke, but people complaining loudly about the sex in the current season? Now I know for sure people are just looking for reasons to hate the new season.

[Reply #361 on:]

Jacking on is nothing to do with sex, it was a metaphor for drug use.

[Reply #362 on:]

http://theinfosphere.org/Season_6#Talk_of_possible_reboot


it say that  Matt Groening moved to make a "rebirth" of the characters, which apparently involves some reboot.

reboot like the opinion of people with robosexual relationship, and all those thing you are not happy with. so you see that it was voluntary made by M.G.

that's all i wanted to say. tired of seeing people saying that everything is wrong !

[Reply #363 on:]

http://theinfosphere.org/Season_6#Talk_of_possible_reboot


it say that  Matt Groening moved to make a "rebirth" of the characters, which apparently involves some reboot.

I removed the latter clause because it was ambiguous and slightly incorrect.  It was based on the content of the interview (the source) and was written before "Rebirth" aired.

[Reply #364 on:]

Jacking on is nothing to do with sex, it was a metaphor for drug use.

[Leela gets up and knocks on the restroom door.]
Leela: Bender, why are you spending so much time in the bathroom? Are you jacking on in there?
Bender: [from inside] No! Don't come in!

Yeah sounds like they where getting at drug use there

[Reply #365 on:]

Jacking on is nothing to do with sex, it was a metaphor for drug use.

You are partially correct.  "Jacking on" is so closely related in wording to "jacking off", that this is used as a joke as TheBoz so finely quoted.  Though, we can always turn it into a discussion of whether masturbation constitutes as sex.  But it is still a metaphor for drug use.

[Reply #366 on:]

It is clearly a metaphor for drug abuse, as Svip puts it. It is alluded in that quote (as well as reminding of "jacking off") that it is a metaphor for masturbation, but that is clearly just a joke. Also, Bender is ashamed of his drug abuse, but not of his perversions (as proved on multiple occassions). Bender wouldn't be ashamed to masturbate in front of the others (getting into rule 34 here, so I'll just stop).

[Reply #367 on:]

Yeah, jacking on was a metaphore for drug use but the "are you jacking on in there" was supposed to be a masturbation joke. In fact, Hell is Other Robots is a pretty dirty episode all around, come to think of it...

[Reply #368 on:]

we're getting a little off-center here; lets get back to whether comparing this kind of things in classic and new episodes, or I'll have to split this off into another thread...

[Reply #369 on:]

Looks like someone doesn't like the episode that hasn't aired yet.

[Reply #370 on:]

I don't know why but when I saw that I actually laughed out loud for some reason.

As a somewhat pointless aside: I won't be at home until 6PM tonight and my Internet is slow so I probably won't be able to watch and comment on - or, for that matter, catch up on everyone else's comments on - The Duh-Vinci Code until, like, tomorrow... Sad.

[Reply #371 on:]

Is it just me or is the title sequence for the new episodes shorter?

[Reply #372 on:]

Actually, with the exception of Rebirth, the title sequences in all of the new episodes (well, I haven't actually watched The Duh-Vinci Code yet so I could be wrong) is slightly shorter. This could have gone in the Season 6 thread though...

[Reply #373 on:]

I apologize from the frivolous thread, still getting used to the peelified way of things.

[Reply #374 on:]

It is shorter.  It is cut for time.  Also notice the lack of opening cartoons.

[Reply #375 on:]

Yeah, I missed the opening old cartoons

[Reply #376 on:]

It is shorter.  It is cut for time.  Also notice the lack of opening cartoons.

What he said. The lack of opening cartoons made me a little sad, but as budget cuts go, better that than removing more frames of animation from the actual show. I hadn't noticed it until this week. I haven't really paid enough attention to the reruns, they may be doing the same thing there; I'll pay more attention next time it's on...

merging with season 6 thread, ass this subject prolly doesn't have legs to go far.

[Reply #377 on:]

I noticed because I am semi-autistic and thus perfect for the Infosphere.  Also I run that shit.  Though, who knows?  Maybe it is included on the DVDs?

[Reply #378 on:]

i too miss the cartoons at the beginning.

[Reply #379 on:]

I'm not too fussed. The opening cartoons never really did anything for me. They were like Lisa's sax solo in the opening of The Simpsons -it changes every week but it's not a joke.
I only really liked it when a clip from The Simpsons on The Tracey Ullman Show was used and when a clip from Futurama was used, thus creating an infinity effect in The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings.

[Reply #380 on:]

It is shorter.  It is cut for time.  Also notice the lack of opening cartoons.

What he said. The lack of opening cartoons made me a little sad, but as budget cuts go, better that than removing more frames of animation from the actual show. I hadn't noticed it until this week. I haven't really paid enough attention to the reruns, they may be doing the same thing there; I'll pay more attention next time it's on...

I thought the cartoons on the screen Leela would crash into would be public domain stuff and didn't cost anything.

But it's a split second loss so it's something that we can live without.  At least we got the original voice actors back.  Imagine Kate Mulgrew being the voice of Leela.  *shudder*

[Reply #381 on:]

I'll betcha we'll get cartoons and expanded intros when it hits DVD/blu-ray

[Reply #382 on:]

Doubt it. Avoiding licensing issues - which are required separately for broadcast and for distribution on dvd/bd - is the most likely reason they're not doing it anymore in the first place. They're still doing unique credits, because they have the opening tag lines still, so they're not really saving much time or energy by skipping the old cartoons.

[Reply #383 on:]

Even if it was for the money they could easily have something else there and play the entire musical sequence. I think it's more about the episodes going on too long, and they had it specifically for Rebirth just so it wouldn't introduce the season with the "wrong" opening.

[Reply #384 on:]

Aki nailed it.

These will be the versions we get on DVD. They haven't made 'full-length' episodes and trimmed them down for TV, they've just been made like this. The Simpsons opening sequence is trimmed down considerably in most episodes (most noticably in Sideshow Bob Roberts) and they didn't bother putting the full opening back infront of each episode when the episodes hit DVD.

[Reply #385 on:]

I honestly don't miss the cartoons though, what I miss is that the music sounds weird shortened like that. The cartoons were pleasant and nice, and sometimes they delivered laughs and inside jokes, but mostly they were just pleasant. Much like Lisa's sax solo, not really a joke in itself.

Aki nailed it.

I always do.

[Reply #386 on:]

I honestly don't miss the cartoons though, what I miss is that the music sounds weird shortened like that.

They actually do that all the time in theatrical trailers. It's weird when you have heard the song and memorized it to only have an entire stanza or several skipped over like a record player.

But, so far on the new season, it's pretty good. The episodes are different, but its a different time and that is expected. "Rebirth" had the exact tones as the first act of "Bender's Big Score", so it did feel kind of "junky" (yes, just because of that association, "Bender's Big Score" was really that bad). The designs in "The Duh-Vinci Code" reminded me a lot of "The Beast with a Billion Backs", especially with Animatonio and the cracken at the fountain. It was a lot like "The Beast with a Billion Backs"- characters were played up to the point where they acted out-of-character. "In-a-Gadda-da-Leela" was no "Amazonian Women in the Mood", but I thought it was better than "Love's Labors Lost in Space". "Attack of the Killer Act" felt gimmicky with the pop culture references, but I am on the firm belief that it is a milestone episode with moments foreshadowing future episodes. Currently, "Proposition Infinity" has the most "classic" Futurama value to it- it's even better of a fit than "A Flight to Remember" and "How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back" to true Futurama (at least from my perspective), and that is saying a lot.

[Reply #387 on:]

I hope they extend the openings for the DVD release.

[Reply #388 on:]

I hope they extend the openings for the DVD release.

See a few posts above yours and despair:

Doubt it. Avoiding licensing issues - which are required separately for broadcast and for distribution on dvd/bd - is the most likely reason they're not doing it anymore in the first place. They're still doing unique credits, because they have the opening tag lines still, so they're not really saving much time or energy by skipping the old cartoons.

[Reply #389 on:]

"Rebirth" had the exact tones as the first act of "Bender's Big Score", so it did feel kind of "junky" (yes, just because of that association, "Bender's Big Score" was really that bad).

I don't think they feel similar at all. I don't think there's a single laugh-out-loud joke in the first part of Bender's Big Score for me, Rebirth on the other hand had loads of great jokes. And the pacing in one is very slow, and extremely fast in the other. I think they're tonally completely different.

[Reply #390 on:]

rebirth and bbs are similar because they mention what happened with the show in the real world. they are kind of kimmicky and are what they are.

as far as 'Beast with a Billion Backs' is concerned, ill never get a select groups hatred towards it. personally, i thought that it was the best movie they made. it was great writing and character development on a more epic scale. i felt that this new episode was like that, and that is also why i liked it so much.

[Reply #391 on:]

I'm very happy with these new episodes!  It's so awesome that it's back!  Futurama is as great as ever!  So far, here's my ratings:

Rebirth: 10/10
In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela: 9/10
Attack of the Killer App:  5/10
Proposition Infinity: 10/10
The Duh Vinci Code: 9/10


For those of you who are disapointed with these new episodes, I can say some things.  Give it time, eventually things do get better, and there will be come Fry/Leela relationship episodes I'm sure will be coming soon.   Also, it got cancelled in 2003 (damn that year) and didn't come back as a series for a while.  I for one am very happy Futurama came back and I am really enjoying these new episodes.  The only one I didn't really like was the Killer App one.  Also, ratings are high! 

[Reply #392 on:]

Doubt it. Avoiding licensing issues - which are required separately for broadcast and for distribution on dvd/bd - is the most likely reason they're not doing it anymore in the first place. They're still doing unique credits, because they have the opening tag lines still, so they're not really saving much time or energy by skipping the old cartoons.

Doubt it.  The licensing is hardly an issue (many of the clips are either public domain or owned by 20th Century Fox).  Having rewatched the opening cartoon of "Rebirth", I found it to just be another random opening cartoon (nothing special like a shot of "Space Pilot 3000" like they did in Bender's Big Score), and that leads me to believe that the producers have actually selected opening cartoons for all episodes. 

But Comedy Central said to cut cost and time on their airing, they were gonna cut them.  It's really up to 20th Century Fox to decide whether they will included on the DVDs, but I would suspect they will.  Not that I... incidentally care that much.

I'm just saying, your argument doesn't hold water.

[Reply #393 on:]

I think it would depend on whether the episodes were first produced that way, though.  Most likely the Futurama producers were already aware of the allotted time they would receive, so it's entirely possible they cut the theme down from the start in order to save a little time.  In other words, given that they were already having to shorten the theme song (perhaps depending on episode length of course) and the opening cartoons therefore wouldn't show on TV anyway, they may not have bothered to find any in the first place, and would have just made the episodes with the shorter theme attached.

It was mentioned earlier that a number of Simpsons episodes had shortened themes from the beginning to save time, and they appeared that way on the DVDs.  In other words, in those cases no versions with the complete themes existed in the first place; they were made that way from the beginning.  I could see the same being true here too.

Mind you, I'd like it if the DVDs came out with the full theme and opening cartoons intact.  But I suspect they may have just been made this way to begin with.  You're right though that licensing likely has little if anything to do with it. 

[Reply #394 on:]

I LOVE Proposition Infinity. In fact, it's made its way to my top 5, at least.

[Reply #395 on:]

For me it's so far so great. Enjoyed all of the episodes so far and although none have become instant favourites it would be unreasonable to ask that in the first place.

Hopefully the quality will remain as high as it has begun.

[Reply #396 on:]

I don't know what it is but something about this season hasn't seemed quite right. Even the movies felt more like classic Futurama than the current crop of episodes. I don't know if it's just me but some of the voices seem a little off aswell.

Anyways:

Rebirth: 6/10
In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela: 4/10
Attack of the Killer App:  6/10
Proposition Infinity: 8/10 (Felt the 'closest' to old skool Futurama for me)
The Duh Vinci Code: 7/10

I hope we're not witnessing a post season 8 Simpsons decline here, with the show descending into passing pop culture references and an utter disregard for character history and development.

[Reply #397 on:]

Don't worry, we are.

[Reply #398 on:]

The professor's neck snapping is one of my all-time favourite futurama moments. You know, the bit where he's in the maths class, and is bombarded by all the equations and keeps turning his head around in confusion, then twists his neck. That was just hillarious IMO.

Best episode of the series yet. Definitely.

My rankings:
1 - The Duh-Vinci Code (9/10)
2 - Proposition Infinity (8/10)
3 - Rebirth (7/10)
4 - In A Gagga Da Leela (6/10)
5 - Attack Of The Killer App (3/10)

[Reply #399 on:]

Nah, it's like this...

Rebirth
TDVC
PI
IAGDL
AOTKA

Although, there are a few Original Run episodes that are greater than all of these.

Still, looking forward to this week's!