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« Reply #1 on: 04-03-2002 15:42 »
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I havnt seen the recent episodes but I think even from the way you described it it sounds fine. Futurama is not in decline its just Fox ruining it (apparently  ) and the proposed cancellation doesnt mean its losing its touch. Also I dont mean to sound rude or mean or anything but if you think that now Futurama is starting to suck then why did you sign up to a Futurama fan board now  . *edit* Damn, I just read the last part of your speech and it cancels out my last paragraphs idea. Oh well.
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Nixorbo

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A) Fry's his own grandfather. Big difference. The man who was his own father was Lister from Red Dwarf.
B) It still hasn't been proven substantially that Fry is his own grandfather. There's a discussion about it somewhere in the Weird Scenes forum.
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Otis P Jivefunk

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Originally posted by Xenomorph: On topic, I agree. The episodes just don't seem as wacky this season, and I don't watch Futurama for drama. I think less wacky is a good thing, sure we want some stupidity but we don't want it going down the same road as The Simpsons. Story is very important for Futurama, at the beginning they used a lot of story to set it all up and explain things, now they can have fun with what they've conceived. I can understand people not liking the drama episodes but as long as there are only a few per season then It doesn't bother me. In fact I love the drama episodes because they show off the writing talents of the team and give depth and emotion to the characters. Some Futurama haters say that they dislike it because they don't have anything in common with it and can't relate to the characters like they can The Simpsons. I disagree, Futurama uses the emotional episodes to help make the viewer really care for the characters and the feelings the characters experience are what Futurama lovers can relate to.
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Erdrik

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Futurama is not just about comedy. its about life in the year 3000 IMHO(also making fun of it). And whether you like it or not Life contains Drama. Romance. Ect ect. The comedy is added to make it morefunny and entertaining. Besides, Drama is great as long as its not in execess. And beleive me Futurama doesn't do this if you want to see execessive drama go check one of the many other drama shows on TV. 
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wiggles

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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk: I think less wacky is a good thing, sure we want some stupidity but we don't want it going down the same road as The Simpsons. Yup. With you on that one. Some people watch Futurama for its wackyness, some for its drama, some for both. Personally one of the biggest draws for me was its inventivness and scriptwriting. Some the best stuff in the scripts are small one-line throwaways that shoot straight past you and you might pick up the second or third viewing. And I'm talking really small things here ("Officer 1-BDI", "I've realised that my friends are more important, and they aren't even worth a penny to me"  . he he. That still makes me laugh, even now.
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Teral

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First off: Welcome to PEEL, wiggles. Enjoy it here. (Did you bring Bender's toboggan? If yes, I'd like to borrow it.  ) WARNING! Ranting, rambling and weaving ahead! Again I find myself agreeing with Otis (some of the way). I think the new season has turned out pretty great so far. Roswell, Godfellas, Love&Rocket are, in my opinion, showcases of what Futurama's strenghts are. Funny stories, great jokes, sci-fi references and nerdy throw-aways that often only shows up on repeated viewing. I agree that the surprise-element has gone, but after 3 seasons that would be the case with all series. We know NNY by now, we know the characters, we now what makes 'em tick etc, so hardly anything can come as a surprise to us, like it did back in "Space Pilot 3000". But that's not necessarily a weakness. If they were to reveal shocking new things in every episode, the stories would hurt from it. It would result in Simpson-esque stories, where nothing is too wild or unusual to happen. The fact that Fry in the next episode won't all of a sudden reveal a, until now wellhidden, desire to be a Wrestling Star comforts me. Which brings me to continuity. Call me crazy, but I like my shows to maintain a certain amount of continuity. I like that they (almost) always bring up Leela and the Zapper's "night to remember" when they meet. I like that Fry and Leela's friendship evolves every now and then. I'd hate if they ignored Leela's parents from now on. I...ah, you get the picture.  "Dude, if you wan't continuity, go see a DS9 instead." Would be the obvious response, but Futurama gives us the best of both worlds. It is at it's heart a comedy, and that's pretty much all I ask from it. But the writers have shown that they can do it all. Fryish, by most regarded as Futurama's finest, has drama, heart and charcter development, yet it's also funny and nerdy (the only known joke about "Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle" in a cartoon). And the trend was continued in "Leela's Homeworld" (one of my all time fave's) Roswell is a great episode, because it's funny and sci-fi. None of the actions of the characters comes as a surprise, they act prety much the way we know they will (we know Fry can be an idiot, we know Zoidy want's to ahve friends etc.). And yet it's unpredictable (aside from Fry's story, that was obvious) and funny. Err, I'm sure I started out with a point. Hmm, what was it? Oh, yes. I don't think Futurama is in decline, I've laughed prety much the same (if not more) during the new season, when compared to the previous 3. If anything it's FOX lame-ass treatment of the show that hurts.
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Mike!

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« Reply #13 on: 04-03-2002 17:50 »
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I think that Futurama is in decline a bit, but it's got nothing to do with losing a surprise factor.. I just think that recently the jokes haven't been as funny or clever as they used to be.
I still think it's a great show, and I'm sure that pretty soon another LoTF is going to come along, which will be amazing. After all, it happened just as I was noticing a decline in season three.
I'm still going to carry on watching it to the end anyway, because of the continuity. Laughs may be important, but it's the continuity in Futurama that really makes it stand out. The Nibbler shadow in the pilot is a perfect example.
That's why the future episodes I'm most looking forward to are Leela's Homeworld, Kif Gets Knocked Up A Notch and The Why of Fry (from the short description I've read, I think this really should be the finale episode).
So, anyway.. Recently Futurama may not have been as good as it used to be, but it's still the best comedy on TV.
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transgender nerd under canada

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Why did this topic have to come up at the point wherew FUX execs are giong to be scouring the net for fan comments that they can turn against the show?
Oh god, why?
Why,why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why? It seems that everywhere you lok people are providing FUX in their innocence with the right toolsto knock Futurama into the can permenantly.
There is still a fight going on to save the show, shouldn't discussions be more proactive than picking holes in the general brilliance of this one-off piece of animated treasure?
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Erdrik

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?! What is you talkin' about?! The only Average eps Ive seen (besides 'The Cyber House Rules' ... hee hee, PUN!) was the new FutureStock eps. It was the only eps of the whole bunch that I actualy disliked. and if it takes 4 season to produce a flop I doubt the shows in decline!
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skullhappy

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I agree that its ALL Fux's fault! They give it a lame time slot which always gets interrupted, they dont advertise, they just stink.
LOVE IT OR SHOVE IT FOX!
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Erdrik

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GodFella's was good, but not exeptional. A pharoh to Remember was ok, but NOT one I'll remember. And In my opinion FutureStocks was the worsed Futurama Eps yet... tho still better than most other TV programing... but poor eps have been made before. It doesn't mean Futurama is in decline. simply that one of the writers was doped up(or wasn't doped up enough?) I'm sure the episodes to come will be much better.
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Nixorbo

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People are complaining about things not being new, and yet praise Futurama about having great continuity, and that makes little to no sense to me. If the writers constantly add new things over and over, it would reach the point of rediculousness and almost all sense of contuinity would be lost. Matt Groening saidd something along the lines of "the future is dull," and therein lies the humor.
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Otis P Jivefunk

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I have to agree with Nixorbo, like I said earlier, it will obviously feel fresh and new during the first season because it a new show. Now the continuity kicks in along with plenty of character development, which in my book is a good thing.
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