New Futurama speculations (Spoilers ahoy)

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Scruffy believes in this company.

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The question is why is Scruffy there at all? Considering the prof pays little or no wages to the regular crew, what does he pay Scruffy, considering he's only the janitor? Maybe Scruffy has a hold over the prof in some way?

Ah, so Scuffy could have asked for the job in exchange for something embarrassing the Professor did at one point. Blackmail..or extortion, as Bender likes to put it.

Or who knows? Maybe the janitor is a spy.

Of course Scruffy could have always been evil, then he would be a spy for Mom...but I don't want to see an evil Scruffy.

[Reply #322 on:]

Scruffy is just as amoral as the professor. He's only out for Scruffy. The ultimate in self-interest characters.

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I just want them to pick up where Devils Hands left off. 

They have a Feature Film in the works, so they can use that to pick up from Green Yonder.

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I just want them to pick up where Devils Hands left off. 

They have a Feature Film in the works, so they can use that to pick up from Green Yonder.

That post made no sense.

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I think he's basically suggesting two timelines. Which would be cumbersome and unnecessary. Yeah, it sucks that the movies kind of disregarded Devil's Hands, but I think it all worked out for the best. I just want to see the show move forward already. Deal with the wormhole and whatnot, then get back to the funny sci-fi stuff.

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Also that he seems to suggest there is a feature film in the making.

Which there is not.

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First:

Wtf? i dont see how its cumbersome at all?

The TV series is totally separate from the movie series.

TV series arc plot involved the Nibblonians, Fry's brain abnormality, and Leela being called by Nibbler as "The Other".  The writers need to get back to that.

Leave the movies out of the equation.  They were only created to generate more money and give the fans something new.  However, they did exactly that.  Gave us new.  Nothing in the movies has any continuance from the series.  And none of the movies had anything to do with the previous movie,  not even BwaBB really had anything to do with BBS.

I say just leave the movies as they were, an escape for us fans who never thought Futurama would see the light of day again.  Continue off the series.

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Second :

According to Rob Salem from The Star: "The compromise agreement, with the studio paying more and the actors accepting less, comes after the announcement of a 26-episode pick-up here by Comedy Central. Futurama also airs internationally in syndication, has produced four bestselling straight-to-DVD movies (later cut into episodes) and an upcoming feature film."

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Second :

According to Rob Salem from The Star: "The compromise agreement, with the studio paying more and the actors accepting less, comes after the announcement of a 26-episode pick-up here by Comedy Central. Futurama also airs internationally in syndication, has produced four bestselling straight-to-DVD movies (later cut into episodes) and an upcoming feature film."

You are trusting some Canadian who took some words out of context?  Brilliant.  No one else is talking about an upcoming feature film.  Matt Groening just said he would like to do one if they got the chance.

Which they haven't at present.

First:

Wtf? i dont see how its cumbersome at all?

The TV series is totally separate from the movie series.

TV series arc plot involved the Nibblonians, Fry's brain abnormality, and Leela being called by Nibbler as "The Other".  The writers need to get back to that.

Leave the movies out of the equation.  They were only created to generate more money and give the fans something new.  However, they did exactly that.  Gave us new.  Nothing in the movies has any continuance from the series.  And none of the movies had anything to do with the previous movie,  not even BwaBB really had anything to do with BBS.

I say just leave the movies as they were, an escape for us fans who never thought Futurama would see the light of day again.  Continue off the series.

That seems silly.  Especially considering that the films, more or less, continues off the series.  Problem is, the writers knew with season 4 that the show might be a goner, so stuff like Leela's origins, the Nibblonians and whatnot were wrapped up in the fourth production season.

Nibbler's shadow is hardly a puzzle any longer.  And even with the films, they can still continue off "the other" path.

You may or may not be a fan of the films, but ignoring canon is worse than anything.

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First:

Wtf? i dont see how its cumbersome at all?

The TV series is totally separate from the movie series.

TV series arc plot involved the Nibblonians, Fry's brain abnormality, and Leela being called by Nibbler as "The Other".  The writers need to get back to that.

Leave the movies out of the equation.  They were only created to generate more money and give the fans something new.  However, they did exactly that.  Gave us new.  Nothing in the movies has any continuance from the series.  And none of the movies had anything to do with the previous movie,  not even BwaBB really had anything to do with BBS.

I say just leave the movies as they were, an escape for us fans who never thought Futurama would see the light of day again.  Continue off the series.

I disagree that nothing of consequence happened in the movies. At the very least, the Fry/Leela relationship received some much-needed momentum at the end of "Into the Wild Green Yonder", what with the declarations of love and such. I for one would be pissed if the writers chose, once again, to forget about continuity and just pretend that the movies didn't happen. The producers have never given any indication, to my knowledge, that the movies aren't intended to be canon.

Sure, we wound up with two subpar movies (TBWaBB and BG), one decent one (BBS), and one that I felt was damn near perfect (ItWGY). No one's denying that the movies were hit-or-miss, quality-wise. Still, I think it would be unwise for the writers to just pretend that none of it ever happened, or that we are not meant to consider the events therein as part of Futurama's continuity. I can understand your reasoning, from a marketing standpoint, but I don't think DXC and MG considered the movies solely as a means to get back on the air as a weekly series.

Edit: Or, what Svip said.

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Svip, show me a quote saying there is not going to be a feature film.

Yes, Green Yonder actually got the Fry/Leela ball rolling, but dont forget, thats also where the series left off.  Devil Hands, with Fry and Leela starting what could easily be the beginning of their romance.  Then the movies came out, and bam, like it never happened.

IF you take out the first 3 movies, and have Green Yonder as the next in line from Devil Hands, then yes everything is fine.  But the fact that Matt Groening actually said he liked the idea of how Star Trek played out, i dont think they will be looking for harmony from the movies to the tv episodes of past.

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Svip, show me a quote saying there is not going to be a feature film.

Yes, let me prove that these money are not mine.  That's a stupid task.

You just drew out some random guy saying there is a feature film coming up.  A claim not backed up by 20th Century Fox or the show runners.

Have you heard any of them speaking of a feature film?  No.  I mean, if there was a feature film coming up, wouldn't they be talking about it... constantly?

Yes, Green Yonder actually got the Fry/Leela ball rolling, but dont forget, thats also where the series left off.  Devil Hands, with Fry and Leela starting what could easily be the beginning of their romance.  Then the movies came out, and bam, like it never happened.

IF you take out the first 3 movies, and have Green Yonder as the next in line from Devil Hands, then yes everything is fine.  But the fact that Matt Groening actually said he liked the idea of how Star Trek played out, i dont think they will be looking for harmony from the movies to the tv episodes of past.

The ending of "The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings" compared to that of Into the Wild Green Yonder are very different.  TDHAIP ends on a sweet note, but nothing in solid, there is no confirmation of romance, it is just like Fry being a sweet friend is all (although, we know he has a touch for Leela, but damn would she be a bitch if she didn't want to hear the rest).

In Into the Wild Green Yonder, you have confirmation, their relationship is now solid, fact.  Is no longer gossip.

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Right, nothing happens after Devil Hands, but if you think about where the movies come in afterward, BBS has very little Fry/Leela romance going on, aside from him freezing himself to come back to her, and her realizing she could possibly fall in love with him.  Then you go to BwaBB to where Fry mysteriously moves on.  Then you got BG which makes no sense imo.  Then you get back to a real story with Green Yonder. 
However, if they decided to continue with Green Yonder leading back into the TV episodes, you have to take into account the 3 movies ahead of it.  And im sorry if i don't want to! 
I'm a fan of the show.  Huge fan.  I loved the movies.  But they didn't really do anything for me aside from fulfill my immediate need to see new Futurama.  They didn't progress the story line, they didn't touch on important plot developments from the series.  And unless they hit some sort of reset button, which im sure we all dont want, they are gonna be playing off the movies from the start of the new season onward.

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Not all Futurama is about story arcs.

What did "Future Stock" and "That's Lobsertainment!" and so forth do for the overall plot?  Pretty little if you ask me.

I can accept BG perfectly from this perspective.  Not all the films are going to be about Fry and Leela.  This is not a shipper show.  In fact, Fry and Leela got more or less a focus in three out of four films.  So BG was a nice distance from this.

I agree though, that Fry's relationship with Colleen was even hard for me to swallow at first, but I just went the flow and decided that perhaps Leela needed some time to get over Lars, and perhaps Fry had found what he thought was an "acceptable replacement".

I mean, I wouldn't blame Fry, he has been pretty much beaten up until that point by Leela, maybe it is best for him to move on.

ItWGY wraps it up nicely though, Fry realises at the end of tBwaBB that his true affection is still with Leela.  I was not expecting BG to follow up on that.  I never expect Futurama to follow up on what its previous episode/film contained.  Well, not immediately.

TDHAIPT's ending is sweet, I agree.  But it never occurred to me that it was a declaration of a solid relationship.  I never thought there was any continuity problem with that and BBS.  Not until I read someone thought there was, but I still disagree with that.

There is a difference between a sweet note and an establishment.

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There is a difference between a sweet note and an establishment.

Agreed. I've said this before, but I think the ambiguity of Devil's Hands is what led to so many people viewing BBS as a reset. Really, BBS is just another episode (okay, movie) that doesn't acknowledge the specific shippy developments preceeding it (it runs with the Fry-loves-Leela thing, but it doesn't make note of all the moments in seasons three and four that built on that idea). But that's nothing new for the series, and I don't think of it as a reset so much as par for the course.

Really, I was more annoyed by the fact that the writers chose to carry on with the will-they/won't-they dynamic between Fry and Leela until, like, the last minute of ItWGY. I thought the ending was satisfying and all, but goddamn if we didn't have to wait a good 10 years for some closure between the two of them.

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Leave the movies out of the equation.  They were only created to generate more money and give the fans something new.

As opposed to what?

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@Phishy042
You contradict yourself a lot. You say that none of us want a reset of the movies (i.e. Fry/Leela's relationship, Wormhole) but then you say you want them not to be continuity. How would that not basically be a reset if they weren't the same continuity as the series?

As for the new season playing off the movies, they aren't going to play off everything from the movies. Fry's past is changed, Kif and Amy's relationship is rocky, Nibblonians are known, Dark Matter has been replaced by Whale Oil, Igner is Mom and The Professors child, Humanity might be in danger of extinction, and Fry and Leela are dating. There is everything that likely will play in a new season. Otherwise, the rest of the movies are closed stories that will likely not be touched upon again, plus with 26 episodes there is a lot more ground able to be covered other than picking up the threads I mentioned.

Do these (I have for the BBS retcons, BWABB, and the second half of BG):
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BroadStrokes
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DisContinuity

Also, Svip, I totally disagree that Fry realized at the end of Beast that Leela is his true love (which is one of the reasons I discontinuitied it). Check out my in-depth analysis of the lines spoken and respond if you wish: http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=17385.msg1037040#msg1037040

Edit: Also, this has a bit too- http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=17385.msg1038717#msg1038717

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I put down the bizarre dialogue at the end down to the fact that he's just had what's essentially a giant penis rammed into the back of his neck for the best part of the film.

He's bound to be a bit out of sorts.

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I think it's fairly obvious that the ongoing story of Fry and Leela's relationship is not over - it's not going to be as simple as them living happily ever after, there will be some complications.

Maybe Leela's ex, Shaun (who never appeared on-screen if I remember rightly, but was mentioned several times), could try to win her back, and she would have to choose between him and Fry. Perhaps Fry starts taking Leela for granted, or acting immature and getting paranoid and jealous. Those two ideas could even be combined - Shaun returns, and wants to be 'just friends' with Leela. Fry gets all jealous and they end up fighting and breaking up, only to end up getting back together later.

I'd like to see the Brainspawn return - as I've said before on here, I think it should be revealed that Yivo (from BWABB) was actually a camouflaged Inforsphere, and the events of the film were being orchestrated by the Brainspawn in order to distract everyone from their efforts to understand and destroy the universe. It would make a lot of sense (they were banished to another universe in The Why Of Fry; Yivo lives in another universe through the rip in space - coincidence?) and would make TBWABB seem much less weird.

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First of all, I'm against Shawn returning. He works well as a running joke and a piece of background history for Leela. Introducing him would just detract from his allure.

Second, The Creature being a camouflaged infosphere would make no sense. It's clearly an organic creature (as weird as it's physiology is) and there is absolutely no reason to believe it has anything to do with the Brain Spawn. That wouldn't be good story writing (much like... NO! I promised myself I'd leave it alone!). It would be a completely random twist with nothing hinting to it (and more problems created trying to piece it into the original story).

I will admit that I'm not against the Brain Spawn returning (as long as they don't become like the Daleks in the recent Doctor Who), but that would be a really stupid and asinine way to do it.

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Not to mention the fact that Yivo lives in a different universe to the one that the infosphere was sent to...

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I think we might see a space pope episode.

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So...Does anyone have any info on what the new episodes are/will be titled? Anyone said anything yet?

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Not yet.  However, the copyright catalogue may your place to check.  When the titles are settled, they need to be copyrighted, and thus sent to the U.S. copyright catalogue.

Just search for "Futurama" and then sort by date (descending), the current first result there remains the parts of the last film.

I assume, that since the script is ready for recording of the first episode, that a name might have been settled.  But not public yet.

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Ah right thanks.
I thought that seeing as though they were recording the episode recently the name may have been finalised but I couldn't find any mention anywhere of it.

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Ah right thanks.
I thought that seeing as though they were recording the episode recently the name may have been finalised but I couldn't find any mention anywhere of it.

Not necessarily.  I have seen pictures of production scripts.  And while they can contain the name of the episode/film/etc. in question, they are not required to.  If not, they usually just say their production number.

While I cannot say whether they have figured out a title yet or not, is beyond me.  But it would make sense to me if they started copyrighting the names or announcing something when all the names of the coming production season had been settled.

Fortunately, we should probably know before winter starts.  If not by October or some such.

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Fortunately, we should probably know before winter starts.  If not by October or some such.

OK, will keep my eyes and ears open for any news regarding this. I'll let you all know if I find anything. Hopefully we should know by the new year at latest.

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I think we can all agree that there should be some more Anthologies of Interest, amirite?

I think, and i think they said this on one of the commentaries, that the anthology of interest episodes are supposed to be like the treehouse of horror episodes. But I agree, they are fantastic episodes.

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Following part one of AOI II is going to be tough.


Wooooooooooooo!

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Following part one of AOI II is going to be tough.


Wooooooooooooo!

Ah yes, AOI II was one of my favourite episodes. Part one had me laughing pretty hard. That one will certainly be hard to top.

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That one will certainly be hard to top.

I pity the next TALE OF INTEREST!!!!!

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In fact... I don't know if anyones said this already, but with the new episodes, there's going to be anthology of interest lll, which will probably rock

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That one will certainly be hard to top.

You watched it, you can't unwatch it. Stay tuned for more: TALES.OF. INTEREST!

I pity the next TALE OF INTEREST!!!!!

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Why aren't you banned yet? I know was banned twice but look at me now.

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i'm looking forward to the episode where fry and the professor go in the time machine which makes them go into the future

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That one could potentially be interesting depending on how they handle it.

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Blah.  I am still waiting for the episode names.

Dealing with the episode like this isn't easier for me!

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The Planet Express squad has never really gone back in time and been where Fry came from. But I think some imagining of the interstitial time between 1999 and 3000 could be cool too. It gives the writers carte blanche and can help explain how the events of the year 3000+ have come to be.

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Blah.  I am still waiting for the episode names.

Dealing with the episode like this isn't easier for me!

Me too, it will make it seem so much more real