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Otis P Jivefunk
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Does anyone else think that mini evolution film would make a great animated avatar?...
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Gorky
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As far as "the other" goes, I choose to believe that it was initially meant by the writers to carry some significance--making it some throw-away Star Wars reference from the start just seems like sloppy (and frustrating) writing. However, I agree with speedracer that, by this point, we've been given ample proof that Leela is "the other"...because, well, she just is. I don't think it needs to be explicitly stated; Leela's proven herself to be, at the very least, an important part of Fry's life (and, in this movie, the character whose trust allows him to fulfill his crazy tin-foil mission).
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Gorky
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« Reply #492 on: 03-04-2009 04:50 »
« Last Edit on: 03-04-2009 04:55 »
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The more I watch it the less stressed I am about it being the last installment (please don't let that be true) and the more I enjoy it. I do think there was an over-reliance on recycled jokes and not much to draw in a new audience, but as a fan of the show as a whole, I appreciated it. Here's hoping there's more to come.
The only joke that struck me as stupid in its repetition was the Fry-getting-conked-over-the-head-with-a-bottle schtick. There was also some really obvious repeated exposition (which was pointed out in a lot of the reviews I read, but I didn't much notice it my first time through the movie), such as Fry's off-screen "That's the Violet Dwarf star Leela's trying to save" when the Madfellows are talking about the sci-fi egg, or Hutch's "Welcome back to the Legion of Madfellows" after Head-Conk Number Two. Stuff like "cell phone-telephone", though, was brilliant every time it was mentioned. As were the femutations of words by Frida. Just my opinion, of course; I agree that (in all of the movies, to be honest) there were some cruddy jokes that refused to die (and a lot of them were just retreads of stuff that was already done in the series). And this might sound weird, but I actually appreciate that this movie clearly wasn't pandering to your average consumer--it really was a movie meant for the die-hard (or at least more-than-casual) Futurama fans. I think "The Beast With a Billion Backs" (and possibly "Bender's Game") was a bit more mainstream--I could see a new viewer watching it and becoming hooked on phonics the show. ItWGY relied on a lot of previously-established character traits (Leela's into the environment, Fry's a two-time savior of the Earth, Bender has questionable morals, the Wongs own Mars)--it had a plot that only Futurama could've pulled off. TBWaBB and BG, however, are both movies that are broad enough in scope--and less focused on the characters themselves--that they could've been done by any other show using any other characters. Both BBS and ItWGY, to me, are distinctly Futurama.
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Gorky
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« Reply #500 on: 03-05-2009 21:31 »
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Okay, not to derail this thread too much, but Nix just posted this article in this thread, and there's a pretty interesting comment from DXC: Not to worry, Cohen assures that he is not finished with that tale quite yet. When asked how much of it was left—after the Nibblonian saga was finished and the "Lars" adventure in the first DVD movie—he responded that there is "one sentence," uttered in the series that was left unaddressed. But it's up to superfans to figure out which sentence, not to mention which episode, he is referring to. Am I just a pathetic shipper, or is anyone else thinking "the other" could be what DXC's talking about? On topic: Here are a few bits from the movie that I quite enjoyed... -Frida's late-night meeting with Fry. "Stop making your point so ineffectively!" and "I'll femmunicate your man-formation" is just funny stuff. And the call-back to "sweet goofbag" was nice, too. -The scene where Bender's messing around with the "cell phone-telephone" while Fry, Leo, and Amy are fighting. I love the Tetris talk, and Fry's mustache; Leo being a total jerk about Amy's weight--and Fry's retort, "Amy's butt is actually pretty hot"--was funny in a terrible way. I love his dismissive "She's just hungry" at the end of the scene--I missed it the first time watching, but last time I caught it and thought it was brilliantly snarky. -The scene where Frida is found murdered--Leela is hilarious. "It just doesn't seem like Fry to be so evil, or to hold down a job" and "There's a crazed muderer on the loose. Possibly in the shadows! Or hanging from the ceiling!" And I loved Katey Sagal's reading of "cell phone-telephone", for some reason. -The ever-so-confusing communique--again, Leela is so funny. You know, actually, I think every scene Leela was in--whether it was with the feministas or not--was great. She's probably my favorite character, and I thought the writers really nailed her storyline in this movie. So, yeah. End fangirl-ish raving. (For those of you who possibly hang around at Television Without Pity, these "astute" observations were taken from a post I made over in their Futurama thread. I'm into recycling, I am.)
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Frisco17
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Okay, not to derail this thread too much, but Nix just posted this article in this thread, and there's a pretty interesting comment from DXC:
Not to worry, Cohen assures that he is not finished with that tale quite yet. When asked how much of it was left—after the Nibblonian saga was finished and the "Lars" adventure in the first DVD movie—he responded that there is "one sentence," uttered in the series that was left unaddressed. But it's up to superfans to figure out which sentence, not to mention which episode, he is referring to. Am I just a pathetic shipper, or is anyone else thinking "the other" could be what DXC's talking about?
I'd say there's a rediculously good change that's what he's refering to. At least that's what I thought of the second I saw it.
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Ralph Snart
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Also, thanks to Ralph for sending me these DVD's. I really don't deserve free stuff.
Oh, hush! I believe in committing random acts of kindness. (Remember the e-mail I sent you over a year ago about me meeting up with the late Wahoo McDaniel at a "tough-man" contest in 1998? I remembered him going the extra mile to "put me over" Christmas night in 1980 at The Omni in Atlanta. That match made my career take off and he didn't have to do the things for me that he did. That's one reason why I try to do such randon, kind acts.) Besides, you not only treat us to readable fan-fics and fan art, you bankroll and run your Simpsons website, so it's my small way of saying "Thanks" for all of your efforts. I'm just glad that you enjoyed the DVD.
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Frisco17
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I've related similar sentiments on the shipping thread, but I get a very strong feeling that this was the movie they originally planned to make, and that the other three were something they cobbled together after they ended up with a four movie deal from FOX.
It feels like it. If you watch this film right after Devils Hands you can see a continuity that was missing in the other three films.
I never thought of that before but it makes alot of sense actually.
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speedracer
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Random question: Leela identifies the location of the violet dwarf as 167.84, -58.03, "Mark 948". In the commentary DXC mentions that the first two numbers possess astronomical significance, later revealed by a stalwart PEELer to be the coordinates of an actual star. DXC says that the "Mark 948" bit is supposed to be of more general significance? Does anybody know what it means? My first guess is that it refers to Mark 9:48 in the Bible, and I can't think of what else it might be.
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Frisco17
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"'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:48
Possibly a reference to the leech being the dark one?
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SonicPanther
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The way it ended, I almost have a little tiny *wish* that Fry had died.
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leiapadme77
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Random question:
Leela identifies the location of the violet dwarf as 167.84, -58.03, "Mark 948". In the commentary DXC mentions that the first two numbers possess astronomical significance, later revealed by a stalwart PEELer to be the coordinates of an actual star. DXC says that the "Mark 948" bit is supposed to be of more general significance? Does anybody know what it means? My first guess is that it refers to Mark 9:48 in the Bible, and I can't think of what else it might be.
DAVID X. COHEN IS A GENIUS! Yes, I believe it was a huge hint that the leech was the dark one. Perhaps one or two Futurama fans knew the verse and made the connection right away. The verse Mark 9:48 is actually just referring to another verse in the Bible, Isaiah 66:24 talking about the end of the world: “And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind” There are many ways to interpret this, but why would the writers use it? Perhaps because if the Leech did not die, The Dark Ones would take over the universe. Also, the Bible always uses serpents, snakes and worms to represent Satan/Evil. Looking back, I should have guessed right away that the Leech was The Dark One, being a “worm” and all…..A dead give away in my opinion!
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Frisco17
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An extremely well hidden dead give away. DAVID X. COHEN IS A GENIUS! No argument here.
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