Bender's Big Score Review Thread

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Then just go Corvus,we don't want your bad attitude. Grow up and stop acting like a baby. "Waaa Waaa, I don't like this movie so I won't like any others, Waaaaa." Just goes to show how much of a futurama fan you are.

and that was totally uncalled for.  Don't beat up on Corvus just because you don't like what he's saying.  He's entitled to his opinion, and I dare say that he's not the only one on this board that has it.

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You know, to be frank, I couldn't care a lick about BBS or the reception it's getting. I'm just glad Futurama is back. Sure, BBS may be a wee bit disappointing in some places, but Futurama is back, people! Why are peeps complaining about it? We got our wish!!

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 OOPS.  WRONG THREAD

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Originally posted by trickster381:
Then just go Corvus,we don't want your bad attitude. Grow up and stop acting like a baby. "Waaa Waaa, I don't like this movie so I won't like any others, Waaaaa." Just goes to show how much of a futurama fan you are.

Actually, if there's anything we don't want, it's people trying to censor others' opinions. Knock it off.

That goes for everyone. I will NOT see this degenerate into a flamewar.

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Holy expletive deleted. Did I seriously start all of this bickering? Well... That's not unlike me, unfortunately.

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...when did this begin to become a flame war? Where the fruit was I?

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Just goes to show how much of a futurama fan you are.

Actually, that's wrong.  Some of us feel that the soul of Futurama was compromised by BBS.  Corvus still likes his DVD's of the series - it's BBS that he has a problem with.

That doesn't make him any less of a fan than the people who enjoyed BBS.  It just means that he feels the way BBS was written and directions it took poisoned him to the next DVD.

It's kinda like any other show on TV.  MASH is one of my favorites and it went through several changes during its run.  It lost some fans and picked up new fans along the way.  I enjoyed the early episodes with Henry Blake and Trapper John - back before MASH became The Alan Alda Show.  I'll watch any of the early episodes but will generally not bother watching the newer eps with BJ Hunnycutt or Charles Emerson Winchester, the Third.  That doesn't make me less of a fan but a fan who has his picks of what he enjoys.

 

Holy expletive deleted. Did I seriously start all of this bickering? Well... 

No, actually it was me who started it.  Krytes and I exchanged a few e-mails, I toned down my attitude and edited a couple of posts.

He has no problems with spirited discussions but flaming and insulting behavior are things he won't tolerate.  He'll give a warning first but will use the banstick if he feels it's necessary to keep order.

And that's his job.  -mArc- pays him well to police this board. 

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[Jack Johnson]I agree with everthing Ralph Snart says![/Jack Johnson]

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Oh boy here we go.

First off, i'm not trying to add to a flame war, and I apologize to Corvus and the rest of you.

Second, Like Ralph, I got in the heat of the moment and said some unneccesary things so I apologize again.

Third, You are always suppose to respect peoples opinions, and I normally do but I sometimes go off into a tiff.

So once agian I apologize.

Now to express my feelings to his posts with respect.

Corvus, I disagree with your post about how the movies will not get any better and that BBS ruined futurama for you. You should not judge the other movies because BBS stunk (for you, I enjoyed it). Remember, the writers who wrote the movie are the same writers who wrote the series you loved, so I think they deserve another chance like Ralph said. Also if BBS ruined futurama for you I suggest taking the disc, stomping on it, and throwing it away and pretend BBS never existed.

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Originally posted by Kryten:
One thing I will say is that BWABB is looking significantly better than this one...and I LIKED this one.

Same here. I thought BBS was good but don't get me wrong it was nowhere near perfect. I think some of the reason is what I had heard of it from a friend who watched it on YouTube before it came out. The things I heard from him didn't sound to good (granted I wouldn't let him tell me much till I watched it myself) so I had relatively low expectations. Turned out to be better than I expected.

 

Originally posted by Futurama Llama:
You know, to be frank, I couldn't care a lick about BBS or the reception it's getting. I'm just glad Futurama is back. Sure, BBS may be a wee bit disappointing in some places, but Futurama is back, people! Why are peeps complaining about it? We got our wish!!

All in all I think that is the most important thing to remember.

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I guess the debate's drifting towards "Has Futurama jumped the shark". I'd say it's too early to tell. Besides, it would really jump the shark only when, say, the focus of the show becomes Cubert's stint at high school, with a few "very special episodes" thrown in for good measure.

For the record, I liked BBS, even if it's far short of being a favourite.

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I guess the debate's drifting towards "Has Futurama jumped the shark". I'd say it's too early to tell.

The next DVD will answer that question.

Hopefully we'll get more of the Wormstrum/Farnsworth feud, more Zapp, more Amy getting her boobs rinsed by Zapp (you gotta love Zapp), more Bender/Fry friendship and much less Leela/Fry 'ship'.

That's my opinion.

I wonder if we'll get an animanic of Fry wearing swim trunks and his red jacket on water skis...

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How many megafonzies does that run?

After yesterdays heated debate I watched BBS with commentaries on and I think that a lot of the questions and inconsistancies are actually addressed.  I still think that a lot of the problems that people are having with retconning and such are just simply that we aren't seeing things as they are intended to be.  The eps that seem to some to be horribly altered just exsist in another timeline.  Nothing in them changed until after BBS. 

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Originally posted by trickster381:
Also if BBS ruined futurama for you I suggest taking the disc, stomping on it, and throwing it away and pretend BBS never existed.

"This is one doodle that can't be un-did, homeskillet."

   

Originally posted by bobbot:
After yesterdays heated debate I watched BBS with commentaries on and I think that a lot of the questions and inconsistancies are actually addressed.  I still think that a lot of the problems that people are having with retconning and such are just simply that we aren't seeing things as they are intended to be.  The eps that seem to some to be horribly altered just exsist in another timeline.  Nothing in them changed until after BBS. 

Can I give an analogy to what "Bender's Big Score" feels like to episodes like "The Cryonic Woman", "The Luck of the Fry-rish", and "Jurassic Bark"?

Imagine that there's seventy-two workers that create custom content for this company. One worker isn't that great, but the other two are argued by the public to be the best workers there. After years keeping with those original seventy-two workers, the company has replaced the one below-average worker and the two phenominal workers, with one worker who is in my opinion, not that great. So, as a customer, I'm frustrated over the company's actions to replace the beloved workers for a worker who can't produce the same type of work as its succeedor.

"Bender's Big Score" wouldn't have been as hated by fans if the time travel didn't destroy previous episodes just for a single plotline. I honestly didn't even think that Bender's time travel plotline was the epic science fiction plot we've been waiting for. It became a personal issue when they ruined everything for many episodes just to make room for this disaster of a movie. The worst part is the episodes that were damaged from "Bender's Big Score" could have avoided the crash if the writers bothered to attempt to fix any inconsistencies (I'll mention what they could've done when I get around to posting my review).

On the topic of "A Beast with a Billion Backs", I look forward to the movie, especially considering Fry in religious attire turns me on, Britney Murphy's guest starring, and there seems to be a strong Fry/Bender friendship forming.

Also, for those who want to see that evil Leela screenshot, I'll have it up in a few hours.

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Frida, you mean your last few posts still haven't been your review? 

The damages wrought by the time-travel issues weren't my biggest problem with BBS. My gripe lies more with the writing, the generally inferior comedy/jokes, and the characterization. (And the music). But even with all that I still didn't think it was as much a sack of crap as some people are saying; and I do trust that the next ones will very likely be better.

 

Originally posted by bend_her:
Besides, it would really jump the shark only when, say, the focus of the show becomes Cubert's stint at high school, with a few "very special episodes" thrown in for good measure.

Ha ha, I can't really see that happening; unless they sink way below their usual standards, I do still think that if the show comes back as a series it would still have tons of areas that have yet to be explored. Maybe it's true that the writers/producers didn't have the full 3 or 4 years to work on BBS, but hopefully they could still come up with quality ideas for further episodes.

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Originally posted by trickster381:
Oh boy here we go.

First off, i'm not trying to add to a flame war, and I apologize to Corvus and the rest of you.

Well.. we all say or do things that we later regret. The fact that you apologize for your ad hominem attack gives you credit. Thank you.

 

Originally posted by trickster381:
Now to express my feelings to his posts with respect.

Corvus, I disagree with your post about how the movies will not get any better and that BBS ruined futurama for you. You should not judge the other movies because BBS stunk (for you, I enjoyed it). Remember, the writers who wrote the movie are the same writers who wrote the series you loved, so I think they deserve another chance like Ralph said.

Should I judge the upcoming Futurama movies? No. But the thing is, I read the full synopsis of BBS and was put off.. I didn't want to see it.

Then a friend of mine got hold of BBS through direct import and wanted to see it with me so I though I could give it a shot.

Long story short: he liked it, I didn't. I was soooo disappointed. Hence the reason I don't want to see anymore of them because I don't trust the writers to do a better job with the next movie.

This is not an excuse, just an explanation.. actually I envious at those who like BBS, because I can't bring myself to do that.

 

Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
Actually, that's wrong. Some of us feel that the soul of Futurama was compromised by BBS. Corvus still likes his DVD's of the series - it's BBS that he has a problem with.

That doesn't make him any less of a fan than the people who enjoyed BBS. It just means that he feels the way BBS was written and directions it took poisoned him to the next DVD.

Ralph.. you summed up in those two paragraphs perfectly what I feel. I couldn't have written it better myself. My profound thanks.

With this over with.. I won't post anything more here.. I'll go back lurking as I did before. Expressing a wastly different view towards the new movies stirs up to much emotion and I feel I come off as a troll expressing those views.

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Corvus, you don't have to stop posting here. In fact heated debates (as long as there not personal) are part of the fun here.

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I'll be forgiving of the animators in "Bender's Big Score", only because they haven't been drawing the characters for a long time. They did the worst in character detail, as shown in the first screenshot below (check out Leela's jaw). The backgrounds and such were done fairly well, and much better than the original series (which was gentle on the eyes).



However, for such a below average amount of character detail was put into Bender's Big Score, I wonder about this expression of Leela's. It's right after Lars kisses her right in front of Fry (off-screen), who is jealous of the couple.



Leela seems to find pleasure in irritating Fry. She couldn't possibly find that much pleasure in peck on the cheeks alone.

*I apologize about the quality of my screenshots. I play the video on Windows Media Player (which is horrible), and if I just hit the print screen key on my keyboard, the photo won't register into any of my paint programs (Paint and Gimp). So, I have to go into my media editing software (Adobe Premiere Pro) and get an even lower quality screenshot there. I'm going to try to switch my video player to QuickTime, so then I can take screenshots directly from the media player and upload it to my iPod.

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Somebody finding pleasure!? In a kiss??? This is an outrage!

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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
Somebody finding pleasure!? In a kiss??? This is an outrage!

She obviously staring at Fry, who is off-screen. It looks like she wants to irritate him. I was thinking she was using the kiss as a way to tease Fry ("You can't have this" ).

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Originally posted by trickster381:
Corvus, you don't have to stop posting here. In fact heated debates (as long as there not personal) are part of the fun here.

Thanks but no. I stand by what I said before. I spoke my piece of mind and things turned ugly... Don't want to do that again.

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Corvus - hey dude, I'll take the slings and arrows.  That's one thing that I do rather well.

Krytes is keeping a close eye on this thread to prevent things from getting out of hand.

Your feedback and opinions are as important as anyone elses.

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I wouldn't call that an expression, that's a frame in which she's turning away and changing her expression, so it's an inbetween... I think. I need to watch it again.

Still, you were completely right, and I found that grab hilarious.

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I noticed a lot of animation problems in the movie, mainly off-model characters. Cuberts clothes change color near the beginning in the limbo contest too...

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Right I have now watched BBS for the second time today (Friday). sadly iam begining getting the sense that the £22 i spent on the DVD and another £30 to get a player the region 1 disc would work on, has been a little mis-pent. Hmmm I was actually quite happy with it the first time I watched it on Tuesday, perhaps becuase some comments here had lent me to expect it to be total shit!
I don't have any issues with the time travel plot clashing with the existing episodes, i have my own time travel theories that can accomodate these issues see:  This thread
My general feeling is that it was just somewhat mundane, and yes there were a few of the 72 original episodes that were probably on a similair level, however, we all know they CAN DO and have done excellent:
The Sting, the why of Fry, devils hands, parasites lost, even SP3K and that was the pilot!

The movie is funny in it's own right and it's entertaining, but it lacks the depth of characterisation the better episodes demonstrate, the songs are mediocre, there are some incongruence in the character behaviours that don't fit, Fry was more desperate and pathetic than he had been laterly in production Se4, what happened to him in the intervening years!!!
Did hermes' wife turn into an uber-slut bitch to make hermes more likable as a character?
Actually i'm not sure it would be true to say Leela has become a lot more cruel and insensitive to Fry, not at least in comparison to her behaviour throughout the whole of the first 72 episodes. I think it just seems that way up against where Devils hands left of at. In that sense at least thats another incongruence, unless the writers intend to fill the supposed 2 year gap I think it was from the end of devil hands until the events of BBS, in future movie / episodes...some here may be prithy to more inside info AND I haven't watched BBS with the commentary tracks yet.

Kim I have sent you an email

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I appriciated the better graphic quality of BBS. Yeah, sure, it's a movie, its supposed to look good, but still. Watch Space Pilot 3000 then watch a second of BBS. Wow, they've come a loooong way in the graphics department.

 

All in all I think that is the most important thing to remember.

Thank you, Frisco. I appriciate being quoted, because often most of my posts are not worth quoting.

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I think you said the most important thing I've heard here in awhile. That's why I quoted it. Like I said BBS wasn't perfect but I didn't let small continuity issues ruin it for me. I don't like how they esentially rewrote some eepisodes but I never thought it was that big a deal. They changed relatively minor things that happened 1,000 years in the past (Futurama time). In my opinion the things they screwed up are overshadowed by how clever and well done the time travel stuff was.

Also, remember the wise words of the Llama.

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Thanks again, Frisco!

Futurama is back! That's all that matters to me!

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ha ha here's a blast from the past, look I know in '04 I was an immature bastard(and '05 for that matter) but I've grown up and matured, and I would like to start posting here again

Please ignore this if you don't remember me lol

Anyway on topic I must say I enjoyed the film and I thought the humour and stroyline in general was up to the atandards of the episodes. Good to see Futurama back.

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I have to agree that at the end of the day we are just very lucky to even have this movie to talk about. It's not perfect but it's still decent, it's Futurama after all! And I've seen it get a lot of praise on the non-Futurama boards I go on, really good praise...

After watching the animatic for the next movie I personally think that it will be better than this, but we shall see...

edit-Also don't forget that the next move is written by a different writer to BBS so of course it will be different and chances are if you didn't like BBS you'll like this because it's gonna be different...

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Originally posted by Futurama Llama:
You know, to be frank, I couldn't care a lick about BBS or the reception it's getting. I'm just glad Futurama is back. Sure, BBS may be a wee bit disappointing in some places, but Futurama is back, people! Why are peeps complaining about it? We got our wish!!

Hear hear. And here's to things getting even better for 'Billion Backs'! 

(I know other folks have quoted this, but I think it's a sentiment that bears repeating. We shouldn't apologise for slip-ups, but it's not every day, even now, that a show comes back from the dead.)   

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Does anyone know who wrote Beats With A Billion Backs? For some reason I was under the impression that Cohen and Keeler were writing all of the movies. I have high hopes for it either way.

 

She obviously staring at Fry, who is off-screen. It looks like she wants to irritate him. I was thinking she was using the kiss as a way to tease Fry ("You can't have this" ).

"Obviously"? It looks like she's just looking at Lars, to me. I just don't see anything to get upset about, here. This is pretty nitpicky stuff, in my opinion.

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I have recently seen Bender's Big Score and I actually liked it. After reading some reviews here I also had bad hopes for it because some people really disliked it. I don't know if the Fry/Lars twist would have surprised me because I "accidently" looked at a spoiler before watching the movie.

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"Obviously"? It looks like she's just looking at Lars, to me. I just don't see anything to get upset about, here. This is pretty nitpicky stuff, in my opinion.

Your opinion?  You wanna know what I think of your opinion...

(Kryten in the background, slowly tapping the Banstick(tm) in his hand)

Your opinion is as important as anybody elses. 

Fishy, I love you, man - but not in the robosexual sense.  As much trash I talk about Leela, to me it's a stretch to think she was giving Fry the "Look at what you can't have!" look from that framegrab.

Ralph 'wants to see Amy on Leela action' Snart

 

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Hmm.. that look does have something in it though. I'll have to watch BBS again, just to see the context the look is in, but wow. That shouldn't come from a peck.

And, here's to BWABB being better (hopefully!)!!

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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
Does anyone know who wrote Beats With A Billion Backs? For some reason I was under the impression that Cohen and Keeler were writing all of the movies. I have high hopes for it either way.

Keeler and Cohen wrote the 1st and 4th movies, not sure who wrote the 2nd and 3rd movies. I think I did read the name in an interview but I forget which and can't find it anymore...

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I want to say the next movie's going to be written by Eric Kaplan, but damned if I can remember where I heard that.

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Who was the main series writer again? Cohen?

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No DXC was XPro. I think he only wrote like 2 or 3 episodes. The main writers were Eric Horsted, Eric Kaplan, J. Stewart Burns, Ken Keeler and Patric Verrone.

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According to Wikipedia:
BwBB: Eric Kaplan
BG: Eric Horsted
IWGY: Ken Keeler