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Rage Dump

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« on: 01-27-2005 17:21 »
« Last Edit on: 01-27-2005 17:21 »

Chaos reigns within.
Reflect, repent and reboot.
Order shall return



New computer help thread. 
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Originally posted by me
We're upgrading the network manager server at work. I'm trying to get it as similar to the last one as possible; so naturally i tried HdCopy for a start, but, as expected, Windows 2000 looks up MAC addresses. So it bitched about an "inaccessable boot volume" or something in the new PC.
People? Mic?   
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Originally posted by aslate
I came home to find my (previously locked) PC stuck with a blue BG and no mouse response (NOT a blue-screen!). I restarted, and it just gets stuck loading (In all modes i tried, it just got stuck, or kept scrolling the load bar, without HDD access for either. Now i went through Msconfig, turning off a couple of things that i know shouldn't have been running at startup, however i may have accidentally turned off something. Anyone know what i can do to try to turn them on?
Press F8 at start-up, and try step-by-step configutation, or last known good config.
Although, usually if it gets to the point where it doesn't start anymore, it's formatting time.
Joysauce

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« Reply #1 on: 01-28-2005 00:14 »

YAY!!! I got my Dell up and running. I don't want to hear how Dell sucks either. Just let me enjoy this moment. It's so super fast, and now I have just the right machine to challenge you nerds in some online video games.
Rage Dump

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« Reply #2 on: 01-28-2005 00:25 »

Dell are pretty cool, reasonably cheap, powerful systems for people who can't build them themselves.
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now I have just the right machine to challenge you nerds in some online video games.
That depends, just how nerdy are you willing to be?
Go spend $700 on a video card and come back.  :p
Crash_7

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« Reply #3 on: 01-28-2005 10:29 »

 
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Originally posted by Rage Dump:
Go spend $700 on a video card and come back.   :p

Hey, Joysauce has the right idea there.  About the only way you can get one of the new high-end ATI cards for a reasonable price is with a new Dell computer built around them. 

Joysauce

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« Reply #4 on: 01-28-2005 10:30 »

haha! I'm new at being nerdy. I'm going to need some more time. Isn't there some Wal-Mart version that's like five dollars?
aslate

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« Reply #5 on: 01-28-2005 12:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Rage Dump:
 
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Originally posted by aslate
I came home to find my (previously locked) PC stuck with a blue BG and no mouse response (NOT a blue-screen!). I restarted, and it just gets stuck loading (In all modes i tried, it just got stuck, or kept scrolling the load bar, without HDD access for either. Now i went through Msconfig, turning off a couple of things that i know shouldn't have been running at startup, however i may have accidentally turned off something. Anyone know what i can do to try to turn them on?
Press F8 at start-up, and try step-by-step configutation, or last known good config.
Although, usually if it gets to the point where it doesn't start anymore, it's formatting time.

I didn't see a "Step-By-Step" mode, i remember seeing it in older versions of Windows, but not in XP. I tried Last Known Good Config, it's never done anything useful whenever i've tried it.

I'm currently running Fedora, if it all goes well i'll stick with Linux to be honest. This is the first time i've got things working in ages when installing Linux.
VelourFog

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« Reply #6 on: 01-28-2005 13:30 »

maybe someone can enlighten me.

everyone is like, "Dell sucks!"

Now I'm not the kind of geek who actually knows stuff, but I've had my Dell for about 6 years (gasp!) and it works great and I haven't had many problems with it. The monitor broke in the beginning, but I got a new one for free. Dell customer service was good when I still had the phone support (ie: you can call and not have to wait 5 hours to speak to someone).

Now I know a lot of you nerds like to build your own computer, but a lot of that stuff is like, "I got neon lights and a spaceship decal !" which to me is beside the point. And I know a lot of dorks like alienware, which is about 5 million dollars for stuff that looks "cool"...

So what's a semi average girl like me to do? Buying a Dell for like $900 sounds like a good deal to me, but I'd like someone to explain why it's not, and suggest viable alternatives.

Have at it
FishyJoe

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« Reply #7 on: 01-28-2005 14:21 »

Dell sucks because they got rid of the "dude, you're getting a Dell" guy, and all because he smoked some mary joe. The guy's a political prisoner. Legalize it, man!
CyberKnight

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« Reply #8 on: 01-28-2005 14:21 »

Of course it all depends on what you want it for. If you want it for doing work, browsing the internet, sending e-mail, maybe playing a couple of games, etc. and you don't want to spend a chunk of your time sorting out problems with the machine, then
<Corporate PR-type person>Dell is for you! *thumbs up*</CPRTP>.

If, on the other hand, your computer is your life hobby, then you'll more than likely want to be choosing the best bits to complement each other to maximise performance (Bulk manufacturers in general use generic parts and stick with onboard sound and graphics).

I think what irks some of the latter computer users is when 12-year-old kids start running their mouth off in the vein of "OMfg u L4mer! I r t3h l33test b3cause I got da Dell! Lolololol!", when, in reality, they don't have a frickin' clue.  ;)

I don't claim to know everything about computers, and anyone who does actually know anything about them would say the same. I'm not au fait with Linux because to be honest it doesn't hold that much of an allure to me, for example. I use my computer to play games and do some work (occasionally  :p).

I'd love to get to grips and learn more about Linux but I just don't have the time to tinker (and I don't want to put my main machine out of commission for a while). Ideally I need a comparitively fast second machine to tinker around with (I tried using Linux to power a media center but it doesn't seem to be particularly suited to that purpose).
Squeaky

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« Reply #9 on: 01-28-2005 14:27 »
« Last Edit on: 01-28-2005 14:27 »

I have to agree with VF. Not everyone can buy the $2100 computer from Alienware or build one yourself. Especially since you can buy a decent computer from Dell for 500 dollars, that's not a bad deal at all.

VF: Are you big on PC games? If you are, the low to mid level Dell's are not really the best for this generation of PC games. But, if you are like me and just use your computer for schoolwork then Dell is fine.


Melllvar

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« Reply #10 on: 01-28-2005 14:47 »

We have Dells at work (as they're a client, we get a decent deal), and they're fine, perfectly functional.
Crash_7

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« Reply #11 on: 01-28-2005 15:16 »

 
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Originally posted by VelourFog:
So what's a semi average girl like me to do? Buying a Dell for like $900 sounds like a good deal to me, but I'd like someone to explain why it's not, and suggest viable alternatives.

Have at it

If I wasn't a build-it-myself kinda guy, Dell would likely be one of the first places I would go to get an entire system.  Saying that all Dells are junk is silly.  They're like any other OEM.  Depending on what you want to spend, you can get something state of the art or you can get outdated junk from them.  Plus, they seem to be quite open to letting you customize your purchase.  So if there's something in the standard configuration you don't like, have them replace it with something you do like.
CyberKnight

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« Reply #12 on: 01-28-2005 15:30 »

In addition to what I said above...

Reading University uses Dells throughout the School of Systems Engineering, and they seem to work pretty well. That to me is what they're designed for; functional machines which can be easily maintained and conform to a basic standard so a bulk user can simply re-image a corrupt harddisk or swap in a standard component for a busted one. They're solid machines, and I'd be perfectly happy to own one as a non-gaming machine for internet browsing and work, etc.
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« Reply #13 on: 01-28-2005 16:24 »
« Last Edit on: 01-28-2005 16:24 »

Can any windows command line experts tell me how to run a program from the command line, and then have the cmd.exe program quit while the other program goes off and starts?


Edit: Nevermind, this did it.
Code: [Select]
start /b E:\Steam\Steam.exe -applaunch 240
exit
bankrupt

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« Reply #14 on: 01-29-2005 01:49 »

My Dell is coming up on being 6 years old and I've only had to reformat the thing once.  I'd say that's pretty good.  They're certainly going to be tops on my list to look at when I decide to get a new computer.  She was top of the line when I bought her, but now she's old and senile.  :cry:
Rage Dump

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« Reply #15 on: 01-29-2005 06:09 »
« Last Edit on: 01-29-2005 06:09 »

 
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I'm currently running Fedora, if it all goes well i'll stick with Linux to be honest. This is the first time i've got things working in ages when installing Linux.
Try Ubuntu, It has a better packaging system IMO.
Mmmmm, apt-get...
Absolutly piss-easy install, and there's a live CD version if you just want to try it out. They'll even ship the official pressed CD's to you free of charge. I got 26 of them.  :p
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everyone is like, "Dell sucks!"
They're called fanboys. That may as well say "<Major and/or Reputable company> sucks!"
They usually just do it to aggrovate people and feel big.
Joysauce

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« Reply #16 on: 01-29-2005 11:25 »

 
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Originally posted by bankrupt:
My Dell is coming up on being 6 years old and I've only had to reformat the thing once.  I'd say that's pretty good.  They're certainly going to be tops on my list to look at when I decide to get a new computer.  She was top of the line when I bought her, but now she's old and senile.   :cry:

Dello, fellow Peelers. My Dell is three days old, and has been absolutely wonderful. I haven't had any problems with it. :p

VelourFog

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« Reply #17 on: 01-29-2005 12:05 »

 
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Originally posted by Squeaky:
VF: Are you big on PC games? If you are, the low to mid level Dell's are not really the best for this generation of PC games. But, if you are like me and just use your computer for schoolwork then Dell is fine.
I realized after I posted that it might be helpful to mention what I use the computer for.

I currently use it for the internet (cable internet) - email, im, websites, but not a lot of video or online games. I don't play computer games on it. I use basic MS Office programs and graphic design software like photoshop and illustrator. I have a Wacom graphics tablet, which does run a little slow on my computer, but it also is slow on the mac I use at work, so I'm not convinced that my current system is so terrible (especially for being so old [in computer years]). I run Windows 98.5 and I'm not interested in Linux, but obviously if I bought a new Dell (etc) I'd take whatever latest OS ships with it. (I'm not buying an OS upgrade for this PC, because it'd cost nearly as much as a [shitty] new PC)

I don't need a computer to look cool, or glow, or whatever. It'd be nice if it was relatively quiet and didn't produce enough heat to warm a small village.
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« Reply #18 on: 01-29-2005 13:12 »
« Last Edit on: 01-29-2005 13:12 »

VF: I'm not sure if Dells waste a lot of heat and power consumption (I know some have LCD's which use less power, but I'm not sure of their motherboard/HD/gfx card/power unit consumption etc.), which you can avoid if you pick energy efficient/quiet components yourself.

Hell even the high level gaming Dell isn't tops for games.
It's called benchmarking people, it clearly states that Dell = bad for serious gaming.

*gets shot by a fanboy-sniper*

Anyway!
A serious gamer wouldn't have shortcuts to games on his desktop, he'd have shortcuts to little Windows batch files that kill all unnecessary processes, runs the game, then when the game closes, restart all the programs that were killed, virus scanners and firewalls and whatnot.   :D

Mmmmmmm, taskkill /f /im *stupid processes*   :p
Cap´n Skusting

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« Reply #19 on: 01-29-2005 13:34 »

VF- anybody who is comfortable with both Macs and PCs is OK in my book.
I've had my iMac for 4 years without a single problem.
At work we have around 80 or so clothing desigers, graphic artists, and assistants all on Macs.
Choosing your computer really does depend on what you actually need it for.
I'm a Mac person all the way, but if I know somebody that wants a computer just to surf the internet and have e-mail, I'd tell them to get a PC and not spend a lot of money.
Farnsworth38

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« Reply #20 on: 01-29-2005 15:03 »

VF: of the applications you’ve listed, Photoshop/Illustrator is likely to be your biggest problem (assuming you work with large files/lots of layers). What to look for in a system optimised for Photoshop:
1) Maximum memory installed.
2) A second physical hard drive with a partition dedicated as a Photoshop scratch disc.
3) Accelerated graphics card to reduce the load on the main processor.

If you don’t have a separate scratch disc, it’s more important to keep your hard drive defragmented, and empty your Temporary Internet Files folder regularly. If you have a lot of USB devices connected, removing any not in use may help your tablet speed up.
VelourFog

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« Reply #21 on: 01-29-2005 17:09 »

 
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Originally posted by Cap'n Skusting:
*stuff*
so you're saying you can hook me up with a sweet job? Thanks!  :love:

I'll need to buckle down and buy a mac whenever I decide to seriously pursue working from home/freelancing, but right now they are just too expensive for what I would need.
Ka-Boom

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« Reply #22 on: 01-29-2005 17:29 »
« Last Edit on: 01-29-2005 17:29 »

Linux related cock-up :/
Right, I have 2 hard disks, an 60gb which I use for Windows and an 80gb which I use for files and wanted to use for Linux. So I partioned 60gb of the 80gb hard disk for Windows and left 20gb unformatted for Linux. I decided to use Mandrake 10.0, I put in the disk etc and selected 'partition free space', it said 'partitioning free space on hard disk2' etc then I moved onto the next part of the installation which was a load of tick boxes where you can select what you want installing eg 'Gamestation'. During this my computer crashed and I had to reboot. Windows booted fine but when I went on Partition Magic the whole of disk2 was classified as 'BAD' and supposedly 0% of it was used!

Very worried I went on My Computer and yet my 'F:' and 'G:' partitions were still there (which were on the now 'BAD' 80gb hard disk), I looked around on them and everything seemed fine, I can play the games which I installed on those partitions fine and on properties they still remain the size they origionally were. Do you think there is any way I can get back the 20gb of the disk I'm not using (without having to reformat the disk) and if not do you think I can keep using that disk as it is?
Rage Dump

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« Reply #23 on: 01-30-2005 06:40 »
« Last Edit on: 01-30-2005 06:40 »

Windows classifies anything it doesn't recognise as "Bad". And Linux uses a filesystem that windows doesn't understand. There's nothing wrong with the drive, but Windows won't stop complaining until it's Fat32 or NTFS, but as long as you avoid trying to use it in Windows it shouldn't be a problem.

The Mandrake installer saw the spare drive (It was empty, wasn't it?) and prioritised it over the smaller partition on the other drive. If you want to put it on the partition, you'll have to partition it manually. There's plenty of tutorials out there; but as a guide; You'll need:
100MB - Mounted on /boot with bootable flag toggled on.
2056MB - Set at swap space, can be down to 512MB or even lower if you want.
17GB (The remainder) - Mounted on / 
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Do you think there is any way I can get back the 20gb of the disk I'm not using
You mean add it to the Windows partiton? Try BootIt NG. It will let to resize the first disk to its full size again.

 
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I don't need a computer to look cool, or glow, or whatever. It'd be nice if it was relatively quiet and didn't produce enough heat to warm a small village.
That reminds me; i need a water cooling kit. What kind of things do i have to concider; it's mainly for the processor, but if it'll go on the video card too, then that'd kick arse.
How are they for travel? I move my computer around a bit.
Ka-Boom

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« Reply #24 on: 01-30-2005 07:33 »

 
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Originally posted by Rage Dump:
Windows classifies anything it doesn't recognise as "Bad". And Linux uses a filesystem that windows doesn't understand.

I know that, but this was in Partition Magic and Partition Magic recognises Linux ext2 and 3 and Linux swap, I previously had Knoppix on that hard disk and Partition Magic saw the 2 Windows partitions and the Linux ones. :/
Tongue Luck

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« Reply #25 on: 01-30-2005 09:52 »

I prostrate myself before my nerd superiors with a rambling etard question. I beseech thee, hear my cries!

So, I switched from dial up to cable a little over a week ago. It's great and stuff, but there's been one weird, unforeseen problem. Every time I'm logged on and I turn on my TV, I hear that awful ear-ringing sound. If I sign off or go all Elvis on my television's ass, it goes away. It's not just me being delusional--I've had other people confirm that the noise exists outside my own head. Is there any way to remedy this other than, "Stop watching TV and going on the internet at the same time, you filthy capitalist pig"?
Cap´n Skusting

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« Reply #26 on: 01-30-2005 12:14 »

 
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Originally posted by VelourFog:
so you're saying you can hook me up with a sweet job? Thanks!
I could let you know the next time we're looking for people.
If I get somebody hired at my job and they last more that six months, I get $500.

Margarita

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« Reply #27 on: 01-30-2005 12:27 »

"I decided to use Mandrake 10.0"

that's your mistake.
Ka-Boom

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« Reply #28 on: 01-30-2005 13:26 »
« Last Edit on: 01-30-2005 13:26 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
"I decided to use Mandrake 10.0"

that's your mistake.

I'm new to Linux and thats what most people reccomended for beginners, what would you suggest?
Rage Dump

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« Reply #29 on: 01-30-2005 16:24 »

Personally? Ubuntu, just like i recommended for aslate.
Piss-easy to install, and you get a stable, lighter, easier to use debian-based desktop. There's an x86 LiveCD if you just want to try it out.

If you can put up with the rpm packaging, Fedora is good too. Similar installation to Mandrake, still uses Anaconda

Mandrake is good for people who don't want to learn anything else; if they just want a working, easy to use Linux desktop, but if that's the case, then you're probably better off sticking with Windows. There's no point getting used to a new OS if you're only using it for the same reason as the old one.

Margie would probably recommend Gentoo, which is all well and good if you've got 2 days to install it and a good connection. The docuentation is rock-solid, so it isn't all that hard, but it doesn't hold your hand either. Just be careful not to make a typo, and make other crappy little mistakes like that and it should all work out.
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So, I switched from dial up to cable a little over a week ago.
Infidel!
The only thing i can recommend for your problem is to make sure there isn't any TV cables/connections near each other. Otherwise, stop watching TV and going on the internet at the same time, you filthy capitalist pig.
Wait, i do that too...
Yinger36

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« Reply #30 on: 01-30-2005 16:36 »

Ok, so whenever I try to load Adobe Acrobat on my profile it freezes up at the title screen.  Same if i load it through a webpage, but it also freezes the browser.  So I downloaded Acrobat reader & it does the same thing.  However if I go on the other profile on this computer, everything works fine & dandy.  So whats the deal?
Rage Dump

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« Reply #31 on: 01-30-2005 16:42 »

Make sure there isn't any stupid processes running; there might be more than one copy of Acrobat [Reader] up, if so close them and any others that have a higher CPU usage when you try to open the program.
To get the task list:
Press Ctrl-Alt-Del and click "Task manager"
ZombieJesus

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« Reply #32 on: 01-30-2005 16:43 »

Uninstall it and re-install it in the administrator profile.

Also, see this: http://www.tnk-bootblock.co.uk/prods/misc/index.php
top link. Speeds up acrobat reader.
~FazeShift~

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« Reply #33 on: 01-30-2005 16:47 »
« Last Edit on: 01-30-2005 16:47 »

Foxit PDF viewer, 1MB in size. http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

Or if you must have Acrobat, some guy fixed it to make it go faster: http://www.tnk-bootblock.co.uk/prods/misc/index.php
(top download)
Edit: Zeej beat me.
Venus

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« Reply #34 on: 01-30-2005 23:18 »

AAAAAAAHHHHHH! I'm ready to toss my comp out the window. I keep getting damned pop-ups from internet explorer. I don't even use internet explorer why the hell am i getting pop-ups??? I use AOL. I never see a single pop-up from aol, it's only internet explorer. I'd delete the bitch completely, but my comp won't let me! HELP!
Margarita

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« Reply #35 on: 01-30-2005 23:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Ka-Boom:
  I'm new to Linux and thats what most people reccomended for beginners, what would you suggest?

mandrake is a pretty bad distro. and no, i'd never recommend gentoo for a begginer. i'd say either suse or fedora. both of em are good and easy to install.
Rage Dump

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« Reply #36 on: 01-30-2005 23:28 »
« Last Edit on: 01-30-2005 23:28 »

 
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I keep getting damned pop-ups from internet explorer. I don't even use internet explorer why the hell am i getting pop-ups??? I use AOL. I never see a single pop-up from aol, it's only internet explorer. I'd delete the bitch completely, but my comp won't let me!
IE is extremely intergrated into Windows, you can't uninstall it.
Sounds like a standard spyware job; Run Spybot and Adaware
Make sure they're up to date first.
hobojobo

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« Reply #37 on: 01-30-2005 23:29 »

Since no one answered my question in the last thread, I'll ask again. Does anyone know of a way to make Opera (internet browser) Display flash?

Also, whenever I try to import quicktime movies into Final Cut Express, they get really pixellated. Can anyone help me there? Thanks.
Rage Dump

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« Reply #38 on: 01-30-2005 23:32 »
« Last Edit on: 01-30-2005 23:32 »

 
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Since no one answered my question in the last thread, I'll ask again. Does anyone know of a way to make Opera (internet browser) Display flash?
I thought it displayed it by default...
But i'm not really sure, i haven't used it in ages; you might just need a plugin of some description.
Go to the Flash site, and download the latest version, it should pick up all of your browsers and install support for flash in each.
Yinger36

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« Reply #39 on: 01-30-2005 23:36 »

I acctully dont use Acrobat reader, I have Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Professional, but I did DL reader when this all started & that didn't work either so.  & I tried reinstalling it a few times but it still didnt work.  When it freezes the only way to close it out is to go into Task manager & end the process, it doesnt come up under running programs.
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