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Killerfox
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mhhh im not a very good writer but i do ok, my tip would be: first have ideas, you cant write without ideas then give them a "shape" like AF said after a few paragraphs read what you have written and watch out for mistakes or things that doesnt suit the characters.
well thats how i do it hope it works with you!
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TheMadCapper
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Any observer would have noted that David was stymied by his most recent challenge.
"David is stymied by this obstacle!", the announcer announced with the typical announcer habit of stating the obvious. David wondered how much money there was to be made in this career of describing exactly what was going on. At any rate, the qualifications required couldn't be too high. Now THAT'S bad writing. Um. I just have to know where the story is going, in order to make the actual writing come naturally. So maybe you'd benefit from putting together a storyline, then working on fleshing it out when inspiration is low.
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Asylum-Fry
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Originally posted by Ky12wng: but isnt that just stealing other people's ideas and passing them off as your own? Another word for that is plagirism, but yes, it is. Although almost nothing is original anymore, so you don't need to care.
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El Zilcho
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Well, I think it's just stealing other people's ideas and passing them off as your own.
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TheMadCapper
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so, um, how many of us understood that FishyJeff was being facetious?
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Teral
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« Reply #12 on: 10-03-2003 16:46 »
« Last Edit on: 10-03-2003 16:46 »
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::looks up facetious in dictionary, then raises hand:: @ everybody except TMC and FJ: The words you're looking for is: "similar, but legally distinct" like calling the main character Hairy Capper. Originally posted by FishyJoe: Step one: watch TV Step two: steal Step three: change things around slightly, to make your stealing less obvious
Thank you. Fishy, I thought we agreed not to give away all our secrets.
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DrThunder88
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Originally posted by Teral: The words you're looking for is: "similar, but legally distinct" like calling the main character Hairy Capper. Are you suggesting Hairy Capper isn't an original creation like my other title characters in Fishiana Jeff and the Test Crusade or Velara Fog: Thread Raider?
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Nixorbo
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OK, first off, what are you writing? Is it an essay, is it a story, etc.?
::Points at writing minor on academic profile::
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Cube_166
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I usually find it's best to just write when you a have an idea of where the plot is going. My characters seem to have a life of their own at that point. oh and by the way. [points to finished novel]
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FishyJoe
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« Reply #20 on: 10-03-2003 19:47 »
« Last Edit on: 10-03-2003 19:47 »
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By TheMadCapper: so, um, how many of us understood that FishyJeff was being facetious? What'd you just say about my face? I'll kill you! By Teral: Fishy, I thought we agreed not to give away all our secrets. Sorry man. It's just that the kid, with his innocent plea for help...it really got to me. At least I didn't give away our "tell aspiring writers to send us their work, so we can critique them and give advice, but really we just steal their ideas and blow them off" trick. ::Points at writing minor on academic profile:: [points to finished novel] *points at big empty table, with a note that says "this space reserved for all the novels/scripts/Esquire articles/comics that I've been planning on finishing any day now"*
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Killerfox
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mhhh something true cube, after a while of writing characters come to have a life on their own and at some point they can "choose" what to do, you cant force them to do something, that is the great thing of writing
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Cube_166
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The problem with my characters is they never want to get on with the plot and prefer hanging about in bars instead.
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Lurrr
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I usually think up an idea, think of some more ideas to go with it, think a bit more about those ideas then write. Half the time I don't know exactly what I'm doing but as I'm writing I'll figure out better ways to do things and get familiar with the characters I'm writing about. then I'll go back over it and edit it. And I might edit it a few more times, but I've only ever got up to that last point so I don't know if I'd have the patience.
Writing is an odd thing for me. If I try and force myself to do it I hate it and my stuff sucks. I I really want to do it, or if I have a deadline (like an essay), then I'll race ahead with it and it'll turn out great. It depends on my mood (but I haven't been in a writing mood for a long time).
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Killerfox
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mhhh now that is a problem Cube, you should better go have writing classes or something
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Cube_166
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I don't need writing classes, they need adventuring classes.
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LAN.gnome
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Originally posted by eggsandwich: I dont see the reason for 'writing classes' - wouldnt you be learning the tutor's style of writing instead of creating your own? Writing is, of course, an art, but you have to have some background before you can run off and start turning things on their head -- how well will you be able to innovate if you have no idea of what already exists? I would view writing classes in much the same way I would view painting classes: they both gives you the basic skills you need to begin creating, and the knowledge you need tyo begin to develop style. Style rarely emerges fully-formed and untrained in an artist. Originally posted by eggsandwich: It really defies the whole principal of writing, you want your own style & your own style is the best. I strongly disagree with the last part of your statement; a lot of people's writing style is for shit. Some people may say that their lack of a basic grasp of grammar or ability to create a coherent plot is their "style", when they really are too lazy to refine their skills. If people dont like your style of writing, ask them what they hate about it and try to improve in that area. Originally posted by eggsandwich: If you choose not to conform to the normal way of writing, that is brilliant. Again, I disagree. Too many people hold up their flaws as strengths and refuse to acknowledge and move past them. Though there are exceptions -- E.E. Cummings would be a good one -- most people who don't "conform to the normal way of writing" simply lack experience. Besides, this assumes there is a "normal" way or writing; there may be a "standard" way, but there is no normal way. Originally posted by eggsandwich: Unless you want readers, then they have to adapt to your style I wouldn't think of that as good way of getting readers. If you're the one pursuing an audience, you're going to either have to adapt to them or convince them to tolerate you -- not this "accept my work or damn you" attitude. Not to discredit the importance of making your writing personally relevent -- that's not what I think at all. I just think style is a much lesser consideration than developing a natural, believable voice in your writing. Something that gets some part of you across in your writing. I do agree with what you said about overall writing process -- you really can't force creativity too much. Sometimes free associating writing can break through in the intitial stages of an idea, but if you get stuck somehere in the middle, there's no shame in shelving it only to revisit it later. I have scores of half-finished stories and writings floating around in notebooks and in my computer, waiting to be completed. Whenever a good concept, phrase or just anything pops into my head, I try to write it down as quickly as I can. I have a Notepad file full of one- or two-sentence ideas that I look to when I need inspiration. Often I've found an unfinished work's only purpose is to inspire you to work on something else.
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ZombieJesus
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Step 1: million monkeys on a million typewriters Step 2 Step 3: profit
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Writing is something abstract to me, a spur of the moment thing.
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TheMadCapper
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Taking a writing class doesn't make you unable to write the same way ever again, anyhow.
And a few people here at peel could benefit from the application of ideas like paragraphs, clear statement of your main point, and cutting out the "fluff".....
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transgender nerd under canada
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Well, I write only when I can truly be arsed.
My novel is *almost* finished, and as a result of my lackadaisical approach to a work ethic, will likely remain *almost* finished for a while.
Finishing things off is waaaaay harder than starting them.
I have a million-billion-zillion bits n peices of creativity, random ideas, poetry, etc. that pops into my head all written down on paper. Once they get transferred to my laptop, I have a brief burst of energy and toy with them, then let 'em drop just before they hit true completion.
When I finally finish my book, I fully expect it to give me a brief burst of energy for beginning another, which will spend even longer under development.
In my opinion, writing classes are a waste of time. Either you can build a picture with your words, and grip the reader with the story that you tell, or you can't. It can't be learned. It just comes naturally to you, once your grasp of the language is full enough.
There are a lot of writers out there. Most of them are crap, and a lot of the crap writers get published. The reason? These people can churn out crap faster than your car's wheels will disappear in Liverpool or Bristol.
BUT (and this is in answer to MuscaDomestica's original question),
The slower you work, the more you think about it, the worse you will feel about it. The trick is to strike a balance. Try and get some thought going, then plunge blindly ahead, and let your brain work in 5th gear. Don't start off in 5th gear and try to slow down into 1st. This is fast, easy, and produces garbage. The trick to writing something good is to have 3 elements in place:
1) The inclination to sit down and write. 2) An idea already boiling away, one that you will have to be quick to jot down before it escapes (you start in 5th gear, see? Hit the ground running). 3) The will to accept that whatever you write may not be the words of fire that you intended. It could be utter shite. It could be good. Don't judge your own work before you sit down and read it through after it's imprisoned on the paper/screen. 4) An optional extra, alcohol is a great tool. Just a little though, to give you some motivation. Too much just turns your writing into stuff that you wouldn't want to wipe your arse with. As somebody who has deleted more of his own work than he has saved, I should know this.
As an aside, anybody who is connected to the publishing industry might want to drop me an email... I mean, it'd be nice to see if you could get me an appointment with your bosses... they might want to put my work on bookshelves, or they might want to burn it. Either way, I want to know.
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Nixorbo
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I read, and I can tell the people who are not English/Writing majors/minors.
Saying classes doesn't help, PFFT. and in case you didn't catch that, <h1>PFFFFFFFFFFFT</h1> Writing is a talent, and like any talent, you need to work at it. Let's face it, I didn't pick up a trumpet in 4th grade and immediately start playing Duke Ellington. I took classes, I took lessons, I practiced. The same with writing. Precious few people can just pick up a pen for the first time and write a fully-developed well-written story/essay/article/whatever. If anything, you need to be taught proper grammar and the like.
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TheMadCapper
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no nix i wrote good stuff all the time and i dont need any lesons b/c i am writng my style adn i am not lurning 2 writ liek sum dum englihs prefesser u shuld kno taht good righting coms form teh hearrt not frum sum dum educatin
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Nixorbo
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...My head hurts.
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