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Shiny

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« on: 12-13-2006 06:31 »
« Last Edit on: 12-13-2006 06:31 »
Okay, I now can't imagine life without the Deep Down thread. So here we go.        :p

Holy crap, I'm finally a Professor!  Woo-Hoo, I'm gonna take a TOTP Dance just for that!

dance dance dancity dance

Anyway, here we are with MORE Deepness.  Trying to plumb the Depths of our psyches using Futurama, 'cause everything is more interesting if it involves robots.

In addition to the suggested titles of "Futurama Self-Examination by Proxy" (more accurate, but not funny enough...who's the boring person who thought THAT one up? Oy... ) and Coldangel's "Fry & Leela blah blah... something... romance... yadda yadda" (which I still think should be the next Shipper Thread title), some ideas that almost made it were...

"Deep Down II: Now with MORE RELEVANCE!!!" (Very fond of this one... )

"So Deep Down it's Down Under..." (cute but possibly misleading)

"Deeper...Deeper...TOO DEEP! Deeper..." (HEY! Stop snickering, THAT's why this thread title lost out, you naughty-minded folk, you...)      :p

"Put on your hip-waders, it's gettin' Deep again...." Another good one, and probably the most accurate)      ;)

Anyway, let's get get to it...

[Continued from previous thread]  I've always loved Fry hugging Leela's waist in "2Santas," because he sort of looks like he's protecting her with his body, while the hand she put over his back is her protecting HIM in return...awww!...maaaayyyybe that's reading too much into it, but so it goes...."deep down," I'm just a hopeless Shipper.      :D
Fry_B

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« Reply #1 on: 12-13-2006 06:37 »
« Last Edit on: 12-13-2006 06:37 »
The Deep Down Thread ...
was nice(?), but it will soon be dead.
Is there anything we want to keep?
Or ...
Should we go once more into the Deep?

(that was awful, I know)

[EDIT]Sincerely, your 'Get Bent' Bending Unit
Shiny

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« Reply #2 on: 12-13-2006 07:09 »
 :laff:  Cute...and not bad, I've heard worse....

Now I'm sleepy again.  See you all when the Yellow Hurty Thing comes up in the sky.   :sleep:
Fry_B

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« Reply #3 on: 12-13-2006 07:09 »
« Last Edit on: 12-13-2006 07:09 »
 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Holy crap, I'm finally a Professor!  Woo-Hoo, I'm gonna take a TOTP Dance just for that!
dance dance dancity dance

I congratulated you on that several pages ago (Ok maybe just one or two) but hey who minds Bending Units when's a Professor... (Bending Units can't cry but can make some awful noises when they're sad so people try to keep them happy. Awful noises happening...Nnnnnow!)
 
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Anyway, let's get get to it...

[The DEEP Down Thread impersonating Krusty] Hey, I'M NOT DEAD!

[The mods]Ohh yes you are...nnnnnow!
Shiny

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« Reply #4 on: 12-13-2006 07:20 »
I thought you were just making fun of my ability to drone on and on in a pseudo-scholarly mode...  ;)

Okay, not really.  I just breezed by it without "getting" the hint...what a shock....
Cyberphobia

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« Reply #5 on: 12-13-2006 07:42 »
"Deeper...Deeper...TOO DEEP! Deeper..."

That's my fave for sure! And I wasn't even thinking anything naughty until you mentioned it. I just think it's funny in an innocent way.
coldangel

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« Reply #6 on: 12-13-2006 07:42 »
Oho... 'once more into the deep', eh?
Henry V reference, I take it? "Once more into the breech dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our British dead"
I didn't know you were an admirer of Shakespeare, Shiny.

Going back to the previous thread, does anyone have any idea about the question I posed about the order of episodes, production vs broadcast:

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
there are two orders. Established that one you showed me is the broadcast order as opposed to the production order, though the production order (shown on wiki) is what is on the DVDs. The comment made "primarily because this is the order used on the DVDs and it helps avoid plot inconsistencies" makes me wonder which version of numbering is preferred and/or intended by the makers... if any.
The dual ordering makes analysis of possible adjacent episode repercussions of events depicted somewhat problematic unless a definitive canon order can be established.
I tend to be dubious of broadcast order because I know how Fox likes to jilt things around unceremoniously.

Which is the 'correct' order in terms of canon? Is there one? This is important if we are to attempt to gauge the repurcussions of events on the characters.
any1else

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« Reply #7 on: 12-13-2006 08:03 »
 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Which is the 'correct' order in terms of canon? Is there one? This is important if we are to attempt to gauge the repurcussions of events on the characters.


On the dvds, ATOTS is on disc one of S3 (after Parasites Lost as you said), where as Roswell is on disc four. That's a darn large gap between episodes broadcast-wise. Says I. So I'd tend to go with the dvd order for character structure..I'm sure I brought that up, or maybe it was just in my head when I was watching them in order a while back, about how Fry and Leela seem to do more things together after Parasites Lost, and I'm sure it was when I was watching ATOTS that I was thinking that. It just wasn't implying anything romantic, they were just...working I suppose.
Although, eps like ATOTS could be like those X-Files episodes where nothing too specific happens... they're just some stand alones trying to mix in with the crowd. But they aren't because otherwise we'd have nothing to speculate over.
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« Reply #8 on: 12-13-2006 08:31 »
Yes. We must make more of things than what is actually there.  :p
LuvFry

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« Reply #9 on: 12-13-2006 12:40 »
 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Yes. We must make more of things than what is actually there.   :p

or should we?
Yeah, I guess we should. (Heck, I've got nothin' better to do!)  :laff:
SpaceCase

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« Reply #10 on: 12-13-2006 13:02 »
From the previous thread:
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Originally posted by jle1993:
Is anyone gonna start that Leela/Amy thread up, ooh and maybe a Fry/Zapp one
 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
Fry/Zapp - that's a bit of a stomach churner...
Yeccha.
Sadly, it’s been done...

I will not use the barfing smilie...
I will  not use the barfing smilie...
I will  not use the barfing smilie...
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« Reply #11 on: 12-13-2006 14:21 »
« Last Edit on: 12-13-2006 14:21 »
 
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Originally posted by SpaceCase:

Yeccha.
Sadly, it’s been done...

[Zapp]You disgust me!

Go on...[/Zapp]
Decapodian

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« Reply #12 on: 12-13-2006 18:41 »
Where has it been done!
Fry_B

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« Reply #13 on: 12-13-2006 19:09 »
 
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Originally posted by LuvFry:
 or should we?
Yeah, I guess we should. (Heck, I've got nothin' better to do!)   :laff:

So I guess holidays are coming up huh?
Fry_B

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« Reply #14 on: 12-13-2006 19:48 »
 
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Originally posted by Shiny:


"Deep Down II: Now with MORE RELEVANCE!!!" (Very fond of this one... )

That's my favourite too  :)

 
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"Deeper...Deeper...TOO DEEP! Deeper..." (HEY! Stop snickering, THAT's why this thread title lost out, you naughty-minded folk, you...)

interestingly, the innocent declared this as a favourite  :p

 
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[Continued from previous thread]  I've always loved Fry hugging Leela's waist in "2Santas," because he sort of looks like he's protecting her with his body, while the hand she put over his back is her protecting HIM in return...awww!...maaaayyyybe that's reading too much into it, but so it goes...."deep down," I'm just a hopeless Shipper.       :D

Ok. Clearly in this couple, Leela is the more physically strong. I would like to ask the male shippers and PEELers: Would you be comfortable with a girlfriend or a wife like Leela, should you have Fry's present constitution (not Fry++'s!)? And I mean Down Deep fellas, lower the egalitarian glasses for just a little bit (I know Shiny is watching me now, let me put on the helmet she dented last time).

In Tale of 2 Santas, Leela is cutting Robot Santa out of the ice with a chainsaw, while Fry... is watching on, arms crossed. I mean, if I was Fry there I would feel a bit uneasy and I would think to either 1) work out a bit or 2) get some steroids in that Bachelor Chow.

I am not trying to promote male macho (or generic muscle male) stereotypes here. If anything, the Futurama writers do(observe exhibits 'Leela' and 'Amy', and disregard the old female landlord / PE shareholder  as biased  :) )

What do you guys and Gals think ?
coldangel

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« Reply #15 on: 12-13-2006 19:49 »
Pffft... nobody answered my question. It was actually relevant.
Decapodian

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« Reply #16 on: 12-13-2006 19:58 »
 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Pffft... nobody answered my question. It was actually relevant.

What question?  :confused:
Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #17 on: 12-13-2006 20:00 »
Methinks the canon order is the DVD order. I mean, they've numbered them like that as well which confuses me to why they play them in a completely different order on TV.
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« Reply #18 on: 12-13-2006 20:02 »
I agree with TLF
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« Reply #19 on: 12-13-2006 23:45 »
Go with the production order; the network execs shuffled episodes somewhat arbitrarily as I recall from one of the dvd commentaries.

As far as Fry being a bit wimpy compared to Leela, I personally would not be intimidated by that at all. I'm fit, but on the slim side and also a little prone to injury, so I have been known to stand back and watch others, including beefier women do the heavy lifting. I got over that hangup that the guy has to be stronger quite a while ago. For me it was an accumulation of experiences, the most telling of which was back in college when my girlfriend and I cross-dressed for a Halloween party; it didn't dampen her interest in me one bit and I even got hit on by one of her better looking friends.

I agree Fry should take some measures to improve himself, but one should do that stuff for one's own satisfaction. The aire of confidence that surrounds you is as attractive as the improved muscle tone. It's true that Leela abhors Fry's body becoming a "fat sack of crap" and she no doubt appreciated the worms' physical makeover on him, but I think for most women these concerns are much lower on the scale than they are for most men. Keep in mind that most of the writers are guys, so she sort of thinks like one as does Amy. And ultimately gentlemen, isn't that what men have dreamt of since they first gazed into the night sky? A hot alien (mutant) woman to love AND one that you can actually communicate with to boot!
SpaceCase

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« Reply #20 on: 12-13-2006 23:45 »
 
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Originally posted by Decapodian:
Where has it been done!
IIRC, the site Ralph And Coldangel referred to.
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Pffft... nobody answered my question. It was actually relevant.
I take it you refer to this:
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
... Which is the 'correct' order in terms of canon? Is there one? This is important if we are to attempt to gauge the repurcussions of events on the characters.
AFAIK, the production order - the order as the episodes are arranged on the DVD’s.
That's the order in which the writers wrote them, not the order in which F*x capriciously chose to broadcast them.
Decapodian

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« Reply #21 on: 12-14-2006 00:15 »
Its such a pity that futurama didnt air on a different network that wouldnt have canceled them for more sports shows but...

Such is life...
any1else

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« Reply #22 on: 12-14-2006 00:59 »
 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Pffft... nobody answered my question. It was actually relevant.

Pffft... I thought I did.  :hmpf: (sure there was a bunch of waffling in there, but it was in response to your question, so shut up. Have a nice day.  :))

 
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Originally posted by Fry_B
Ok. Clearly in this couple, Leela is the more physically strong. I would like to ask the male shippers and PEELers: Would you be comfortable with a girlfriend or a wife like Leela, should you have Fry's present constitution (not Fry++'s!)?
.....
I am not trying to promote male macho (or generic muscle male) stereotypes here. If anything, the Futurama writers do(observe exhibits 'Leela' and 'Amy', and disregard the old female landlord / PE shareholder as biased )
What do you guys and Gals think ?

Well I'm not a male, but I am a gal...I guess.
Heh, today at the shops I knocked something with my bag, and I turned to pick it up but instead saw an old lady struggling with all her might to bend down to pick it up, and it was too late for me to do anything. Made me feel bad...except that I guess when I'm old I'd want to prove I could still do simple tasks like that...and I feel that way now anyway. Just in general I like to do things for myself, and I'll only ask for help strength-wise with REALLY difficult stuff...I just don't seem to come across many situations where I need to be strong. My dad sometimes asks me to help him move heavy things about the place that my mum has 'kindly' asked him to move...that's about it. And I know how to work some power tools...I'm pretty adaptable to things...except girly things. How I would have loved it today if someone who loved clothes shopping could have gone and tried on clothes for me.  :mad:  Do you think I'd be able to find a boyfriend who would do that for me?  :p
Anyhoo, I don't think it should matter too much if one partner is stronger than the other. And if they are uncomfortable with the other being stronger then...tell them? Smash them in the back of the head? Stop them from participating in physical activity? Hey, as long as one of you is strong, you don't have to call on costly handymenpeople. Or at least, you can call on less of them.
 
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« Reply #23 on: 12-14-2006 01:21 »
Okay, so we're going with the production order as shown on the DVDs. Good.

HipNoJoe - You don't need to be big and tough when you have a switchblade  :D

Fry_B - I love a woman who can kick my arse. But I'd prefer not to be *completely* out of my leauge. But that's with all people, not just a romantic interest. If I was with a woman like Leela I'd not be uncomfortable, though I would be prompted to train harder. No man really wants his girlfriend or wife to save him from thugs. There are some intrinsic elements to male/female relations that will never die. Aside from situations like that, I see no issue. Fry obviously doesn't care or he'd be doing a quick sixty push-ups every morning.
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« Reply #24 on: 12-14-2006 06:38 »
 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
Okay, so we're going with the production order as shown on the DVDs. Good.

HipNoJoe - You don't need to be big and tough when you have a switchblade   :D

Fry_B - I love a woman who can kick my arse. But I'd prefer not to be *completely* out of my leauge. But that's with all people, not just a romantic interest. If I was with a woman like Leela I'd not be uncomfortable, though I would be prompted to train harder. No man really wants his girlfriend or wife to save him from thugs. There are some intrinsic elements to male/female relations that will never die. Aside from situations like that, I see no issue. Fry obviously doesn't care or he'd be doing a quick sixty push-ups every morning.

ColdAngel - firstly, sory but I have no clue about the order of eps. I think of something, i pull out the DVD box, look up the eps...aha! so I use the DVD order. Done.

I don't know why but your answer (combined with some of any1else's) seems to be the most down-to-earth. Men are from Mars (except Amy): somewhere in the back of your mind you will - as a male - will be prompted to shape up. Not obsessed, but prompted. Ok, it's a cultural thing, I lived in another, more 'macho-based' culture for a while, but even here, most people I deal with think the same. So, like CA, I love a strong woman that can kick my ass if I deserve it, but sometimes I'd like to be able to pick her up (jokingly) kicking and screaming and kiss her, even if I have swollen lips for the next week.

Anyway... I'm getting lost in details again. Yes, it is a pity that Fry does not care, And his daily character does not make up for his shape. He is a hero and unselfish and all (and I respect that a lot), but only in extreme situations... We don't live in daily extreme situations, or we would lose our minds. Like I said in the other Thread, the greatest test for a relationship is time, as in everyday life - routine, boredom, depression ... but that can be fought, and there comes excitement, suspense, intrigue... It's LIFE.

[Well done, now go to sleep already]
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« Reply #25 on: 12-14-2006 07:29 »
The DVD order is the production order. What I guess we've established is that the other order (shown on futuramamadhouse.com) is the broadcast order - it was they order the episodes were originally shown in on TV through whimsical decisions made by the TV execs (the same ones who kept changing the timeslot around).
I think the consensus is that the production order (as on the DVDs) is the more correct order... for however much that means.

I think the main thing is not necessarily that the guy has to be stronger than the woman (though that is most often the case due to natural construction), what is important to me is that the man steps up... if only to take a beating or tazering or mauling by savage dogs for a lady, rather than the other way around. That is only right, and as I mentioned some time ago; it's our job. We can end up a bloodied mess of shattered bones and shredded flesh at the end of it, but it's the thought that counts, not physical prowess - the idea that a man will put himself between a lady and danger... even if he's the weediest stick-figure bloke who'd blow away in a moderate breeze, and she was a body-builder. We're here to fulfil that role, and there's not much point for us to exist if we don't.
Fry does that. And that's really all that matters.
The only reason one shoud worry about improving their physical strength is for reasons of health or in times of war. Asthetics are meaningless.
any1else

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« Reply #26 on: 12-14-2006 07:36 »
But what if the woman wants to run in and protect the man..? And what about gay couples? Shouldn't it just be that one partner has the right to have that thought to protect the other?
 :p Random thoughts of Maz, brought to you by the letter six.
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« Reply #27 on: 12-14-2006 07:39 »
'Right'? Women don't have rights  :p. Except the right to remain silent!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I'm kidding... What about a man's right to be useful? We can't do anything else...

And the butch one in the gay couple has first dibs on noble self-sacrifice to protect the bitch one.

These are the rules, people.
any1else

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« Reply #28 on: 12-14-2006 07:46 »
Ha! That reminds me of a bit from Clueless.

 
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Tai: That was so cool, the way you did that. I wish I could do it.
Travis: Oh, no, don't.
Tai: Why not?
Travis: Well, 'cause if girls did it, what would guys do to impress them?
Tai: I don't know, like stuff. You know?
Travis: What kind of stuff?

Heh. Anyway; pfft, I'm sure men are useful for other things.  :hmpf:

 :p
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« Reply #29 on: 12-14-2006 07:50 »
Haha... probably true  :p
Shiny

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« Reply #30 on: 12-14-2006 08:57 »
FryB, all these "helmet" and "getting ready to run" comments are starting to make me feel like an ogre...am I really that overbearing?  :hmpf:

 
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Originally posted by coldangel_1:

I think the main thing is not necessarily that the guy has to be stronger than the woman...what is important to me is that the man steps up... if only to take a beating or tazering or mauling by savage dogs for a lady, rather than the other way around. That is only right, and as I mentioned some time ago; it's our job...the idea that a man will put himself between a lady and danger... even if he's the weediest stick-figure bloke who'd blow away in a moderate breeze, and she was a body-builder. We're here to fulfil that role, and there's not much point for us to exist if we don't.

Not much point to men otherwise?  Who's feeding you THAT crap?  That sounds like the reciprocal-opposite to "women are only here to make babies" or something.  Just who came up with the idea of assigning ONE role to a gender and disallowing anything else they can accomplish? 

You have a BRAIN, don't you?  You have a heart and a soul, too (yes, even YOU Joel, no matter what illusion you'd like to project).  If we weren't meant to USE those things, we wouldn't HAVE them. 

A man's role in protecting women began (possibly - I'm going with the nice theory here) as a way to protect her unique ability at child-bearing, which is vital to survival of the species.  But HELLO!  Earth to Earthlings, you've done been FRUITFUL and multiplied like bunnies already!  Maybe it's time to start valuing OTHER things about yourselves than your base biological function!

I admire a man who puts himself in danger to protect the woman he loves.  But...I admire a woman who puts herself in danger to protect the man she loves, too!  Many movies have been ruined for me when the man is out of action in some way and the bad guy/monster is advancing on him, and the female doesn't get in front of him with a rock, stick, or just her own gumption and say (metaphorically) "You want him, you have to go through ME!"  If you're not willing to do that for the one you love, it's not really love.  I include friendships here, too.  If you wouldn't take a bullet for someone, they're nothing more than an acquaintance.

 
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Fry does that. And that's really all that matters.

But I love how he's willing to let Leela do it for him, too.  :love:  They're both so adorable!

Whoops...morning.  I'm late.  Ah, crap! 

SolongIloveyabyebye!
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« Reply #31 on: 12-14-2006 09:54 »
« Last Edit on: 12-14-2006 09:54 by coldangel_1 »
Pfft... whatever. So everything's vague and ambiguous now and none of us has a specific purpose to serve. No wonder people feel lost in this bleak future we live in...      :p

Nobody's feeding it to me. I just go by my gut, and my gut twists painfully at the through of a woman putting herself in harm's way for me. That just feels wrong... that's my job, dammit! Blokes can't have babies, so let us have our own little piece of distinct responsibility too, please... It's all equal now, with no unique contribution from either side except those basic natural elements - woman still gives life, and man protects it. Let us keep those last minute slivers of individual responsibility for God's sake... on top of all else... Women work in all the jobs and men cook and clean and look after the kids, and that's GREAT, it's wonderful, but surely it's enough? Do we all really have to become fucking androgynous to satisfy this fanatical feminist push!? COME ON! Enough is enough. Let us hang onto that last lingering thread of our masculinity, that protective drive... it's all we have. Jeez. Make it equivalent to your womb and call us even.
And we do value other things. We value them so much we lose sight of what we are. There should be a bit of balance there... abandoning all natural origin to focus on our constructed world and various sundry artifice can never lead to any good. We are what we are, and until we are no longer an organic lifeform (read: transhumanism), we should not pretend to be something else. That leads to illness of the mind.

If the man wants to take a bullet for the woman and the woman wants to take a bullet for the man, then they'll both end up fighting each other for the position in front of the gun barrel.
...and that would be silly.  :p

Anyway, we've trodden this ground before and gotten nowhere. Let's not go there again.
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« Reply #32 on: 12-14-2006 19:03 »
Woah!
This is getting way off topic.

*runs away from coldangel*
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« Reply #33 on: 12-14-2006 20:16 »
Come back here and fight like a man!
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« Reply #34 on: 12-14-2006 20:52 »
*squels in fear as coldangel throws Molotov cocktails at him*
Apple Tea

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« Reply #35 on: 12-14-2006 23:27 »
« Last Edit on: 12-14-2006 23:27 »
I think on a psychological level the man is just more likely to take the bullet than the women because we're just just trained to think that way.  We want the altruistic glory to enlarge our over-inflated egos.

Oh, and holy crap there's two of these threads now!?!?
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« Reply #36 on: 12-14-2006 23:46 »
 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Earth to Earthlings, you've done been FRUITFUL and multiplied like bunnies already! Maybe it's time to start valuing OTHER things about yourselves than your base biological function!

Very true, but I think millions of years of life before civilization and even before humanity have bred in males the instinct to be the provider and expendible defender, or at least a deep feeling that we are.

As technoligically dependent and as "metro-sexual" as I can get I still know that when a moment of pure survival leaps up out of nowhere I'm going to do what I can for the Mrs. and the kid, personal consequences be damned. When four big, rough looking guys pulled into my drive right be hind me one day I didn't run in the house where the family was; I confronted them expecting a beating or worse.  They turned out to be cops looking for a stolen car. On the spur of the moment any man has the potential to accept the suicide mission for the woman/kids he loves and fervently wish that they will choose self preservation. We don't normally live our lives that way or think that way, but given the right circumstances the choice is made for us: the genes must be carried forward - the container can be discarded! Not brave, just a slave to instinct when the hot button gets pushed.
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« Reply #37 on: 12-15-2006 00:01 »
Its more romantic when the man sacrifices himself for the love of his life then when a woman does it.

Now before Shiny punches me I dont know why it is but it just is. The Sting wouldnt have been as romantic if it was Leela who sacrificed herself for Fry.
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« Reply #38 on: 12-15-2006 00:09 »
The Sting wouldn't have been the same if it were Fry in the coma.  We (the audience) knows that he loves Leela, but this ep was the first time that we got to see just how fragile Leela really is emotionally and how much Fry means to her.  It also ws the first time that we saw that Fry would unthinkingly risk his life to save Leela - not as a chance to woo her but because she means that much to him.
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« Reply #39 on: 12-15-2006 00:18 »
The Sting was a great episode. i watched it over and over again.
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