Futurama: The Shipper Thread Version III-Ship Harder!

Fry_B

Bending Unit

« Reply #360 on: 11-30-2006 05:43 »

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Originally posted by Cyberphobia:
Arrrrgh well I'm getting daily updates because they only tell you what's on for the next 6 days after the day you look. Yes, I am in Australia.

Tommorow (Thursday) and the day after (Friday), will be season one Futurama episodes at 7pm like usual.

Then on next Monday, there will be no Futurama.
On Next Tuesday, there will be one Futurama episode at 8pm but it's from Season 3.

After that, I don't know yet.

Clear enough?

So they WILL start doing it Seinfeld style, i.e. random episodes. Unless (fingers crossed) you're wrong. And they put on Raymond you say ?? [sigh]. Whatever...

[@TLF] TLF, I was just saying here or in the DD thread that being on Tv enforces some discipline in being there at 7pm (local time in Bris) and Watching it. Having the DVDs is Ok, I have them, but rarely watch them on demand, and if so I watch them on the PC rather than start the whole gear to see them in X-large format. I guess time is of essence at a certain age

Decapodian

Liquid Emperor

« Reply #361 on: 12-01-2006 00:01 »

Random episodes of Futurama scare me

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

fryandlemon

Bending Unit

« Reply #362 on: 12-01-2006 00:30 »
« Last Edit on: 12-01-2006 00:30 »

Back to shippyness:

FRY: How could you, Leela? I thought you had some standards. I mean, jeez, he's a dumb, gross gorilla!
LEELA: That's enough. Don't you think I feel bad enough already?

Tisk tisk, Leela disappointed Fry...

coldangel

DOOP Secretary

« Reply #363 on: 12-01-2006 00:36 »

Judgemental Fry.

LEELA: That's enough. Don't you think I feel bad enough already?
FRY: No!

Cyberphobia

Bending Unit

« Reply #364 on: 12-01-2006 02:13 »

I think Fry saying no is more his being dumb because she obviously does feel bad, rather than being judgmental or trying to rub it in further.

Apple Tea

Bending Unit

« Reply #365 on: 12-01-2006 02:46 »

Hey this kinda gives me an idea...someone should write a fanfic about Zap and Fry switching bodies or something, that could be kinda interesting...

Fry_B

Bending Unit

« Reply #366 on: 12-01-2006 05:52 »

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Originally posted by fryandlemon:
Back to shippyness:

FRY: How could you, Leela? I thought you had some standards. I mean, jeez, he's a dumb, gross gorilla!
LEELA: That's enough. Don't you think I feel bad enough already?

Tisk tisk, Leela disappointed Fry...

Well.. was there anything between them at that point... judging by how Leela tried to save her own skin in Fear of a Bot Planet.... (that followed this ep)..no.

I guess Fry is more upset that one of his friends did something stupid and Leela sort of cut short his preaching. One or two more lines would have done it.

OR, if Leela would have said 'I know, I feel terrible, how could I do this' and start to cry (which would've been a bit too much to ask from her - maybe, but that's the way she felt inside most likely after Zapp had been in there - ahh that was mean but true

), Fry would've immediately leaned to the other side, the 'C'mon, it's Ok' side that is.

It's the nature of things in the Futurama universe: a balance of sorts - such as when Bender cut his antenna in I, Roommate. Before, Fry couldn't wait to see it off. After it came off, Fry was the first to propose reattaching it. It's a balance. Of sorts.

coldangel

DOOP Secretary

« Reply #367 on: 12-01-2006 08:25 »

They do and think and feel what the plot requires them to do and think and feel. There's no deeper mystery - they just aren't real people.

any1else

Space Pope

« Reply #368 on: 12-01-2006 09:49 »

But they're written by real people robots.

Hey, did anybody (Aussies..) catch last night's episode of How I Met Your Mother (sometimes I think I'm the only person who watches and enjoys that show)?
Ted wants to be with Robin, and he tells her, and she says what most of us think Leela is telling herself "What if it doesn't work out and we lose our friendship?" And in the end Ted and Robin are together...

So if they got together, Fry and Leela will. Obviously.

Writer unit32

Professor

« Reply #369 on: 12-01-2006 13:51 »

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Originally posted by Decapodian:
Thats what the Futurama writers do whenever theres a romantic moment that they dont want to get any longer. They send Zoidberg in. Zoidberg can defuse, destroy and totally wreck any romantic situation. Thats why hes so useful to the writers and thats why they didnt kill him off in the 2nd season as they were planning to.

Bender's better in that way.Zoidberg is useless and they should have killed him.I was soooooo happy when I thought he died in TMLH.

coldangel

DOOP Secretary

« Reply #370 on: 12-01-2006 21:51 »

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Originally posted by any1else:
and she says what most of us think Leela is telling herself "What if it doesn't work out and we lose our friendship?" And in the end Ted and Robin are together...

So if they got together, Fry and Leela will. Obviously.

I like your logic. You get a gold star on your forehead.

Fry_B

Bending Unit

« Reply #371 on: 12-02-2006 04:45 »

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Originally posted by any1else:
But they're written by real people robots.

Hey, did anybody (Aussies..) catch last night's episode of How I Met Your Mother (sometimes I think I'm the only person who watches and enjoys that show)?
Ted wants to be with Robin, and he tells her, and she says what most of us think Leela is telling herself "What if it doesn't work out and we lose our friendship?" And in the end Ted and Robin are together...

So if they got together, Fry and Leela will. Obviously.

Sorry AnyOne, I so not watch much TV except Futurama, brief news and maybe a movie on SBS.. but hey, you wouldn't know abt BattleStar Galactica either so we're even

Sadly - I can't relate to that - I just can't. C'mon, HAS ANYONE AROUND HERE had that experience, where you're friends for a looong time and you're afraid of taking it further for the fear of losing the friendship? It's nice but ... remote? Maybe it's just me... Damn... this is about US, should be in the DD thread... but just the same, I wonder if Leela ponders on the possibility of losing Fry's friendship or rather on getting HURT again.

PazuzuJr

Liquid Emperor

« Reply #372 on: 12-02-2006 09:45 »

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Originally posted by decopodian:
Thats what the Futurama writers do whenever theres a romantic moment that they dont want to get any longer. They send Zoidberg in. Zoidberg can defuse, destroy and totally wreck any romantic situation. Thats why hes so useful to the writers and thats why they didnt kill him off in the 2nd season as they were planning to.

when were they going to kill zoidy??

any1else

Space Pope

« Reply #373 on: 12-02-2006 22:04 »

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Originally posted by Fry_B:
C'mon, HAS ANYONE AROUND HERE had that experience, where you're friends for a looong time and you're afraid of taking it further for the fear of losing the friendship? It's nice but ... remote? Maybe it's just me... Damn... this is about US, should be in the DD thread... but just the same, I wonder if Leela ponders on the possibility of losing Fry's friendship or rather on getting HURT again.

Well I haven’t had any close guy friends who I’ve known for a ‘looong’ time so I can’t say from experience that it does happen. I can understand it if Leela just doesn’t like Fry that way, and only sees him as a friend. I’m sure I’ve said somewhere around here that I can’t see how their friendship would be lost, and then you brought in the issue about if there’s passion involved THEN they may lose their friendship…so…what? You’ve given a reason for why she could be afraid of taking it further, but you don’t think it’s a possibility?

As for getting hurt…she could just give him a chance…without a high expectation…that way if it doesn’t work out, it won’t have such a large impact. – Says I, without knowing anything. I just find whenever I have a high expectation for something, it’s never what I thought it would be, but if I don’t worry about it and don’t expect anything, it’s so much better that I thought it would be.

Shiny

Professor

« Reply #374 on: 12-03-2006 11:02 »

I've had that experience. And yes, I did lose him as a friend. Because right after he broke up with his loser girlfriend, and we admitted having "a thing" for each other, and I invited him over, and we watched a movie but I was too scared to try to make a move (and I guess so was he) he met this other girl. And called and told me (and yes, I do admire him for that). And I got mad and hurt and cried, and he objected that we'd been friends for a long time, and I said we could again but I'd need some time to get over it first, and then his new girlfriend reconciled with her ex two weeks later, and he called me and told me but didn't, like, apologize or say he'd made a mistake or anything, and then we had a stupid argument over something minor which our emotional states jacked up into ridiculous intensity, and then we never spoke again.

So yes, I totally understand Leela's POV here. And he wasn't even my BEST friend, just a fairly good friend, but it still sucked dead kittens through a straw and felt like a whirlwind tour of hell. So I really understand Leela's POV.

coldangel

DOOP Secretary

« Reply #375 on: 12-03-2006 18:58 »

That's a pretty sad story.
Have you thought about tracking him down?

any1else

Space Pope

« Reply #376 on: 12-03-2006 20:15 »

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Originally posted by Shiny:
and then we had a stupid argument over something minor which our emotional states jacked up into ridiculous intensity, and then we never spoke again.

Aww

Arguments like that seem to happen to everybody at some stage. The funny thing is the fact that you know it was about something 'minor' and that at the time maybe it was something else affecting your emotions and you weren't really upset about the minor thing, you just used the hurt from major thing for the wrong situation. If both people know it wasn't a big thing they were arguing over, why do they allow it to get out of hand?

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and he called me and told me but didn't, like, apologize or say he'd made a mistake or anything,

Did he realize he had?

I think the professor should invent a machine that eliminates the possibilty of misunderstanding another person. Although others' misunderstandings do provide amusement to on-lookers who are bitter..

KitKatBar-Fry

Liquid Emperor

« Reply #377 on: 12-03-2006 20:29 »

Ahhhh, that's so sad!

Poor you, Shiny. that must really suck kittens...
However, as devastating as your loss is, there can sometimes be a bright light on the other side. Look at it this way; if this 'friend' was the kind of person to do something like that to you, why would you want him as your boyfriend anyways? It would almost definately come back to bite you in an even more hurtful manner if you were going out with him and he was 'unfaithful' or something like that. So wipe your tears, girl-maybe it was all for the best.
*pats back*
As for Leela, things could toss up either way. My boyfriend, Ian, had been a really good friend of mine since grade 7. We really didn't have a thing for each other back then-just a friendship. But, here we are, in grade 11 and going out. Leela and Fry have been friends for at least what, 4 years according to the later episodes of the show. And although the cyclops wants to keep it safe who knows? Maybe, if she releases her tension and worries for even a little while, things will work out.
As they often do in cartoons.

coldangel

DOOP Secretary

« Reply #378 on: 12-04-2006 00:21 »

By the final season Fry is utterly devoted to her. If they became an item, or if they even looked like they were gonna become an item, Fry would never look at another woman ever again.
He's an idiot, but he's got a lot of loyalty and nobility about him.

Tastes Like Fry

Urban Legend

« Reply #379 on: 12-04-2006 01:05 »

I know you've rejected me a lot before but frankly I wasn't sure we were right for each other either, but now I am!

I was going to do a full blown analysis of this picture alone, but I'm just going to put dot points.

Note; space between them (how close, and yet too far away), each has own personal space bubble to themselves.
To bridge gap; Leela needs to make a move, Fry has done all he can in reaching out to her.

Anyone seen Bruce Almighty? Well, Bruce has God's power, but he cannot make his ex-girlfriend love him again. Love is a choice, and although Bruce's ex actually does love him in her heart, she cannot love him because Bruce became a big jerk.
Difference is that Fry is not a jerk, he would rather kill himself that let harm come to her (aka Sting/L&R). Leela has no excuse.
Episode placement (in relation to F/L eps)
Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles:
And I'm really happy I have that life back. [warm smile]
The Why of Fry:
It really makes me happy to see you right now. [smooches]
The Sting:
It got through Fry. It got through. [snuggle]

Anyone would think that Leela is actually leading Fry on...

Shiny

Professor

« Reply #380 on: 12-04-2006 02:42 »
« Last Edit on: 12-04-2006 02:42 »

Wow, thanks for the sympathy, everybody. I'm okay, though, really...perhaps I should have mentioned it was fourteen years ago or so. So it's all good. But I appreciate it.

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Originally posted by coldangel_1:
That's a pretty sad story.
Have you thought about tracking him down?

Uh, no. He was REALLY mad/freaked about that final dumb argument, he totally didn't understand why we both were were getting so freaked out about it so he was freaking out about THAT so I've always been a little afraid that he just concluded I was a crazy-making psycho-bitch or perhaps a vindictive type who purposely turned an innocent conversation into a major drama just to f*** with his head, or something....I figure if we're fated to run into each other, we will sooner or later. I'm too chickenshit to take fate into my own hands in this case.

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Originally posted by any1else:

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Originally posted by Shiny:
and he called me and told me but didn't, like, apologize or say he'd made a mistake or anything,
Did he realize he had?

Never thought of that, actually. I'd have assumed that any intelligent person would have...but then, even quite intelligent guys do not ponder these things (or so I've been told) as much as we gals do.

Hey, shipper guys: would YOU have thought you made a mistake in that case? Would you not have thought an apology and perhaps even flowers or a cool alternative comic book might be in order?

Perhaps he actually took me seriously during the original weepy phone conversation when I said, "When you break up with her, you can always come crawling back to me. I'll still be here, I have no pride." Of course, when I said it I thought it would be a few years later when they broke up, not two weeks. And it turned out that I had more pride than I thought I did

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Originally posted by KitKatBar Fry:
Look at it this way; if this 'friend' was the kind of person to do something like that to you, why would you want him as your boyfriend anyways?

I don't, fear not.

But I don't think he "did" anything "to me," exactly...he really was astounded at how hurt and angry I was when he told me he'd met someone else, and I see the whole thing as a massive tragedy of miscommunication...but no, I also concluded that we were probably not really compatible if our signals could get as crossed as they did.

Anyway, thanks again, everyone. You guys rock.

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Originally posted by Tastes Like Fry:
Difference is that Fry is not a jerk, he would rather kill himself that let harm come to her (aka Sting/L&R). Leela has no excuse.

Leela knows Fry will give his life to protect her from PHYSICAL harm....she would do the same for him, any time. But her real issue is emotional abandonment, and she doesn't really know if he might want to quickly go back to being friends, as he did with Amy, but while Amy wasn't seriously hurt by it, Leela would be devastated.

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Anyone would think that Leela is actually leading Fry on...

Anyone who who didn't know what "conflicting feelings" were, perhaps...but the rest of us know that Leela does love Fry, but convinces herself she doesn't because her fear gets in her way.

coldangel

DOOP Secretary

« Reply #381 on: 12-04-2006 03:05 »

TLF - Good rundown. You can forgive a bloke for feeling sorry for Fry.

Fry_B

Bending Unit

« Reply #382 on: 12-04-2006 08:18 »

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Originally posted by Shiny:
Wow, thanks for the sympathy, everybody. I'm okay, though, really...perhaps I should have mentioned it was fourteen years ago or so. So it's all good. But I appreciate it.

And here's Fry_B... tardy... Whaaa ?

Wowww... geez Shiny. This one was not intended. It just did not happen to me so I aksed the question...but 14 years...I found that in time, our mind tends to emphasize the good and blur the bad (not the very bad though). So yes I hope you're Ok.

What can I say? He was probably on the rebound, considered you more as a friend and then quickly found someone else... But you probably analysed it all, many times and many angles. Hmmm the only thing: I can't figure you telling him he could always come back and the no pride stuff...grrrr..unless... was that thing love? (don't answer that)

Ok, better stop here, I lost the 'momentum' of the discussion - as you call it. One thing though, I'm not sure you would've been better off with him. And life isn't over. Yet. And you do not sound like you've been through what I describe as the terminal love that wrecks the rest of your life (the one that comes with a 'Pffft'). Or you hide it quite well.

Shiny

Professor

« Reply #383 on: 12-04-2006 09:30 »

Aw. You're sweet, FryB.

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Originally posted by Fry_B:
I can't figure you telling him he could always come back and the no pride stuff...grrrr..unless... was that thing love? (don't answer that)

I don't mind. No, it wasn't capitol-L Love...though I don't know, if we'd dated for a while it might have grown to be. I'd just "kinda had a thing" for him since I started working at that place, but then he met the (first) girlfriend and I KNEW that wasn't going to work out (she wasn't as bad as Michelle, but she was of the same tribe

) and had patiently waited for him to realize that someone who was always trying to change you wasn't the best match (and I just hope our drama didn't make him run back to her because she REALLY was bad for him, even if he'd never been interested in me at all I'd've been glad to see him free of her, I just don't think that's a legitimate way to behave in a relationship)(though I tried VERY carefully not to use my position as friend to saboutage her, I tried to give him objective advice when we'd chat about his life, because after all I didn't know everything and might have been wrong)(but in retrospect I think I was right about HER anyway). So on my part he was in the emotional category of "potential boyfriend" only except that then he admitted he "had a thing" too and I got all excited and probably that didn't help (I'd never HAD a boyfriend really, well, I did date this one guy four times after high school but we never kissed or anything) but my feeling was not "Wow, he's finally mine!" but more "Wow, I'm finally going to have a chance to see if we'd be right for each other! I finally might have an actual 'relationship!'"

And the 'no pride' thing...well, I have had a low self-esteem problem at times (but I'm getting over it, I really rather like myself now

) but I was also being partially sarcastic 'cause I felt sorry for myself but also probably trying to make HIM feel bad a little because it HURT that he'd broach the subject with me but then apparently didn't value my potential as a girlfriend enough to hold off on this new girl (for maybe just A WEEK OR TWO, <slow burn> ) to see if it could work with me first. Anyway, as it turned out, I DID have some pride, and I'm rather proud of THAT, though not of the stupid blowup that it apparently contributed to...I was rather inclined at the time to see his this new girl dropping him immediately as a kind of "karmic backlash," so I'm sure my previously-unexpected-but-wounded-and-ready-to-lash-out pride was spoiling for a fight beneath my surface mind, as it were...if any of that makes any sense.

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....you do not sound like you've been through what I describe as the terminal love that wrecks the rest of your life (the one that comes with a 'Pffft'). Or you hide it quite well.
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Well, as you know I don't BELEIVE in that exactly, so no

.... but even if I did, that wouldn't have qualified. My high school crush, maybe, but I don't know if one-sided infatuations should count....

Anyway, enough about me! Yes, I'm endlessly fascinating to myself, but you guys must be getting a little bored now.

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And yes I DO feel sorry for Fry, but that doesn't mean I have to blame or hate Leela for it. I feel sorry for them BOTH and see both of them as contributing to the unhappy current situation.

Fry_B

Bending Unit

« Reply #384 on: 12-04-2006 16:15 »
« Last Edit on: 12-04-2006 16:15 »

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Originally posted by Shiny:
Aw. You're sweet, FryB.

(posts quickly before builders come over and he needs to run away for the day)
You ain't seen nothing yet

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Anyway, enough about me! Yes, I'm endlessly fascinating to myself, but you guys must be getting a little bored now.

NO (I speak for myself). The only 'objection' (directed to myself) is that I aksed the question and got the replies in the Wrong Thread.. again... I am hopeless, still trying to 'enforce' some structure - hopeless

[Shrug / sigh] Ok, maybe it's for the better to have one shippy thread only in the end. I'll think abt it in about 4 pages from now..

Decapodian

Liquid Emperor

« Reply #385 on: 12-04-2006 18:46 »

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Originally posted by PazuzuJr:
when were they going to kill zoidy??

They were going to have him commit suicide in Why must I be a Crustecean in Love but they kept him alive in a last minute decision that Zoidberg would be useful in dragging out Fry and Leelas romance till the very end of the series. ( Which he did)

Shiny

Professor

« Reply #386 on: 12-04-2006 20:08 »

Decapodian, can you give us a source for that? I've found nothing by Googling so far....

Decapodian

Liquid Emperor

« Reply #387 on: 12-04-2006 20:27 »
« Last Edit on: 12-04-2006 20:27 »

Actually that was all an elaborate lie.
Sorry. How would Zoidberg commit suicide anyway?

Whoo! Im now a Bending Unit! Hooray!

coldangel

DOOP Secretary

« Reply #388 on: 12-04-2006 21:23 »

Lies make baby zombie Jesus cry.

Decapodian

Liquid Emperor

« Reply #389 on: 12-04-2006 21:37 »

Everything makes baby zombie jesus cry

Cyberphobia

Bending Unit

« Reply #390 on: 12-04-2006 22:14 »

Wow, that was a pretty believable lie...

coldangel

DOOP Secretary

« Reply #391 on: 12-04-2006 22:44 »

Not like the ones I tell... like how I used to be one of the Beatles before Lennon replaced me.

Cyberphobia

Bending Unit

« Reply #392 on: 12-04-2006 23:06 »

Wow, that would have been interesting seeing as you weren't born at the time.

HipNoJoe
Bending Unit

« Reply #393 on: 12-05-2006 00:11 »

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Originally posted by Tastes Like Fry:
Difference is that Fry is not a jerk, he would rather kill himself that let harm come to her (aka Sting/L&R). Leela has no excuse.
...
Anyone would think that Leela is actually leading Fry on...

Leela has a long list of excuses, literally. What would her life with Fry be like? She's more mature than he is. She actually has a sense of hygiene. Could you see them compromise on how clean their place should be? Fry wouldn't be able to come close to her standards for neat and clean and she wouldn't want to hang her jacket in a closet with yogurt curdling in his hats. How many times has she referred to his lack of common or book sense? She's a practical person who realizes that you can't live on love alone, plus you can forgive her for believing that the next doctor or political aide she dates won't turn out to be a jerk. She tries to let Fry down easy and to tell him directly and understandably she gets frustrated at his relentless advances on the one hand but apparent total lack of drive for self-improvement on the other.

Still, I can't help but hope that things work out for them. Fry seemed to show more flashes of reason and maturity as the original series went on, so maybe he matures enough that Leela's practical side can accept him and she can let her romantic side gloss over the flaws. I think they tried to convey that in "Robot Hands".

any1else

Space Pope

« Reply #394 on: 12-05-2006 00:20 »

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Originally posted by HipNoJoe:
Leela has a long list of excuses, literally. What would her life with Fry be like? She's more mature than he is. She actually has a sense of hygiene. Could you see them compromise on how clean their place should be? Fry wouldn't be able to come close to her standards for neat and clean and she wouldn't want to hang her jacket in a closet with yogurt curdling in his hats.

Well, I'm sure if she gave him a chance he'd try to be less of a slob just to keep her happy, and at the same time she'd be able to accept he's not the cleanest man and that he'd be uncomfortable always picking up after himself...takes two to tango and all that.

coldangel

DOOP Secretary

« Reply #395 on: 12-05-2006 00:49 »

But Fry wouldn't need to be clean if he was with Leela - it would be her job to clean up after him.

*runs away*

Haha. I'm joking. Stop setting me on fire, you know I not serious...
...no really, stop setting me on fire!

any1else

Space Pope

« Reply #396 on: 12-05-2006 00:54 »

"*grunt* I'm gonna go wash something!"

You never know, maybe she would clean up after him. Or she'd become a slob herself.

Nothing wrong with a bit of pudding between the ol' toes.

HipNoJoe
Bending Unit

« Reply #397 on: 12-05-2006 00:59 »

Oh my yes; the artful compromise is the saving grace of a long marriage. However these two are on opposite ends of the slob-neatfreak spectrum. In real life I'd give them a 10% chance of making it long-term which the magic of television might double. They have taken a lot of liberties with physics, politics and history on the show, but they play this relationship pretty seriously and anyone who's been around long enough knows the romance can wear a little thin and the constant battle over something so pedestrian as housekeeping can poke holes in a relationship. Damn, I do want it to work out though. So Fry, hit that vacuum cleaner, kill that shower mushroom and clean the compost pile out of recliner and then hit the gym! I guess you're right, any1, I've made changes in my life to please my wife and she's not half the woman Leela is. (Don't let her see that. If she asks, I said she's twice the woman Leela is. Ooh, that sounds even worse. Forget it!)

any1else

Space Pope

« Reply #398 on: 12-05-2006 01:08 »

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Originally posted by HipNoJoe:
(Don't let her see that. If she asks, I said she's twice the woman Leela is. Ooh, that sounds even worse. Forget it!)

Ah, that gave me a good chuckle.

Of course Fry and Leela will work out. They have forever to sort out their problems.
They would get frustrated though I suppose. Trying to live up to each other's expectations. One would have thought if you like someone, by changing an aspect of their personality you'd be altering who they were and hence they would no longer be the person you liked in the first place...If there's no little conflicts it'd get old fast. Jordan said that to Dr Cox in Scrubs. Well, not that exactly, but that was the gist I got from it.

Writer unit32

Professor

« Reply #399 on: 12-05-2006 02:21 »

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Originally posted by HipNoJoe:
Leela has a long list of excuses, literally. What would her life with Fry be like? She's more mature than he is. She actually has a sense of hygiene. Could you see them compromise on how clean their place should be? Fry wouldn't be able to come close to her standards for neat and clean and she wouldn't want to hang her jacket in a closet with yogurt curdling in his hats.

It used to be milk but time makes fulls of us all...

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How many times has she referred to his lack of common or book sense? She's a practical person who realizes that you can't live on love alone, plus you can forgive her for believing that the next doctor or political aide she dates won't turn out to be a jerk.

And non approved.I'm beginning to think Coldangel was right about Leela hating herself.Why else would she keep trying?...

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She tries to let Fry down easy and to tell him directly and understandably she gets frustrated at his relentless advances on the one hand but apparent total lack of drive for self-improvement on the other.

Who writes this stuff?!Fry did improve and he also took a space bee stinger in his spleen!Is there any thing else Fry could do for her?!And if he improves,gets more mature then it wont let me watch Futurama without feeling pain.

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Still, I can't help but hope that things work out for them. Fry seemed to show more flashes of reason and maturity as the original series went on, so maybe he matures enough that Leela's practical side can accept him and she can let her romantic side gloss over the flaws. I think they tried to convey that in "Robot Hands".

Devil's Hands.And they did convey that in Devil's Hands.Not 'tried' but 'did'.

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