Whaaa...??

I think maybe HS meant the general insensitivity of it, which Fry is prone to when he's not paying attention.  See also: "I, Roommate", "An Xmas Story".

The writer's of this show are fairly consistent with the characters - though I'm a big complainer about OOCness, it's nearly always directed at the fanfiction community, which often just slaps Fry, Leela, or Bender's name over their own rather uninteresting protagonists.

The only out-of-characterness that spring to mind immediately is Bender in "A Pharaoh to Remember."  I mean, we all know Bender is an asshole, but he doesn't usually enslave his friends.  Also, what was with the masochism/brown-nosing when he was a slave?

Other examples are times when Leela gets a little too passive-aggressive ("Yeah, I wasn't really paying attention" in "Spanish Fry" ).  Uh...that's all I got.

 

Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
I think maybe HS meant the general insensitivity of it, which Fry is prone to when he's not paying attention.  See also: "I, Roommate", "An Xmas Story".

Ahhh. My bad. In that case I agree with Nerd-O that Fry is very capable of being an ass, most of the time he doesn't know that he is being hurtfull though.

I have no problem saying Bender was OOC on "A Pharaoh..." It's been discussed before so I won't get into any details other than saying that Bender cares very deeply about Fry/Leela.

Morris and Munda in LTH. Granted we havn't seen them enough to really know what their characters are, but they seemed different in LTH then in any other ep they were in.

Not really, he had the same basic plan in "The Farnsworth Parabox," Zoidberg's a sneaky little shit, he acts all buddy to fit in, but he'll turn on you the moment he thinks he can gain any power out of it

Nerd-o, I disagree about Kif. He has one personality, what varies is his emotional condition. His puts up with any abuse from Amy for the same reason he puts up with it from Zapp - he's spineless (pun intended, lynch me if you want). The difference is that from Zapp, he ONLY gets abuse. From Amy, he gets abuse, but also gets action, and the net impact on his self-esteem is closer to 0.

 

Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
The only out-of-characterness that spring to mind immediately is Bender in "A Pharaoh to Remember."  I mean, we all know Bender is an asshole, but he doesn't usually enslave his friends.

He doesn't usually have the means to do so.

 

Originally posted by Sk8PrO:
I would say Zoidberg in Where the Bugallo Roams, it's not Out of Characters, but kinda over exagerated and irritating.

Otherwise, Kif in War is the H-Word.

That's the one I was thinking of, he's nice to everyone except fry in that one episode, also his character is just lame bring back the agressive kif or kill him off I say!

 

Originally posted by SpaceCase:
   

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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
The only character changed I've noticed was Leela... In the early episodes, she was strict but kind... around the time Cubert and Dwight were introduced she seemed more laid back. At the beginning of The Sting, Leela seem less rational... She would've questioned about this mission if it were done in the first season.

Valid points.
They may well be explained by writer-to-writer variation between episodes.

Or perhaps she's been learning from Fry without realizing it...   

Edit: And Venus, I hate to say this, but the only reason you think Morris and Munda are out-of-character is because you've spent more time writing them than the Futurama writers have!     

In what way was she acting OOC?

Really nice observations Ralph !

Aww, now you've got me feeling guilty because you didn't include a winky icon... 

 

Originally posted by TomAllen:
... Isn't it out of character for Amy to be so blase about the origin of Romanticorp's Lovey Bears (TM)?  I mean, she saw the Lovey Bears (TM) being harvested -- shot at by the comic hunter, even cattle-prodded by the Professor -- yet she didn't protest?...

It’s been a while since I watched that ep, but I seem to recall Amy was completely nauseated that ‘Lovey-Bears’ were slaughtered animals, but she was... er “constrained” by Farnsworth’s orders.

You're right, Shiny! Sorry I couldn't find a grab during Amy's line, though... Bender looks great in that one...



Although Bender seems to show no reaction in this shot, like Shiny said, during Amy's line, his eyes are very sad. Which is very adorable, and tantamount to him saying 'Aww...' at the end of 'Leela's Homeworld'. Which in turn is tantamount to Spock yelling 'Jim!' at the end of 'Amok Time'. Not that any of these actions, whether by Bender or Spock, are out of character. These action show you a side of them you very rarely see. That's one of the reasons Bender and Spock are so popular. Spock is emotionless, and will go to extremes not to show it, but deep down he has them. Bender pretends not to care about living things, and will go to extremes to keep up the facade, but deep down... He cares. *Aww...*

Xanfor : yes. We can also see in "The Cyber House Rules" that he has feeling, at the ends, towards the kids 

I saw that some thought Kif was OOC in "War/H-word", and was gonna post eventually....but I agree with Nerd-o-rama when he said

 

...Give anyone that downtrodden a smidgen of power and he will go absolutely nuts with it, just to get his frustrations out.  Plus, his lines in that ep are too good to complain about:

"And mix those mixed nuts!  I see two almonds touching!"

Also, notice that his first "snap at Fry" is clearly used by him to establish that, Zapp's bitch or not, he is Fry's superior officer and he (Fry) better act like he would to any officer, or else.  (Which Fry does...he is as oblivious to Kif as he would be to any other officer.  Heee!)

The "two almonds touching" incident occurs just after Zapp has corrected Kif (incorrectly) about what makes a drink "scotch on the rocks," and sunk a glass of...scotch on the rocks...into Kif's soft-bodied cranium.  His yelling at Fry is CLEARLY a way to discharge his humiliation and anger.  Just another "Boss yelled at Dad, Dad yelled at Mom, Mom slapped Junior and Junior kicked the dog" moment.

In the showers, however, Kif shows no inclination to interrupt Fry's "Walkin' on Sunshine" solo, despite Zapp's doing the "Looower...." thing to him.  To me this indicates that Kif is still a decent guy, because a true jerk would have felt that any other happiness in the vicinity should be immediately squashed if HE couldn't share in it. 


But...I can't believe I missed one of the nuances of the Kif discussion the first time I read through the thread.  Allow me to address it now....

 

Originally posted by Gopher:
...Kif...puts up with any abuse from Amy for the same reason he puts up with it from Zapp - he's spineless (pun intended, lynch me if you want). The difference is that from Zapp, he ONLY gets abuse. From Amy, he gets abuse, but also gets action, and the net impact on his self-esteem is closer to 0.

AMY abuses KIF?!  She crushes his self-esteem in addition to boosting it?  Huh what?! 

If you said that Amy's boosting of his self-esteem offsets Zapp's abuse and makes the total net to Kif 0, I'd say you have a point.  But what in tarnation could you think was her ABUSING him? 

Not wanting to live with him on the Nimbus?  (But she refused so gently, and said he had "so much creativity and niceness," and clearly indicated it was not a rejection of Kif himself).  Because she freaked out and ran off when he was pregnant?  (But she came back, despite her deep-seated parent-induced fear, for the sole reason that she loved him). 

I can't figure out what else she might have done in that or any other episode that would, in the most radical interpretation of the text, qualify as abuse.  Her TATTOO abused him, but she yelled at and slapped it for that.

And there's her constant demonstration of how highly she thinks of him, my favorite of which is....

 

Amy: Oh, Kif, it's so romantic I can't even wait! I'm gonna wear it right now.

[She puts some raw ambergris on. Her tattoo splutters, at which Kif smiles. Everyone else chokes at the stench.]

Mom: Who smells like freaking porpoise hork?!

Amy (proudly): I DO! Kiss me, Kif!

That, particularly the delivery on "I DO!", never fails to make me crack up and go all warm-hearted at the same time.

Abuse?  Feh!

I have to agree with the lady shippers - Amy's been nothing but encouraging to Kif in every episode.  She knows he has the self esteem of a beaten dog, but she doesn't exploit it.  She knows taht Zapp beats him down every chance he gets, and I'm sure she silently cheers Leela on as she bashes and/or beats Zapp.

This is a woman who could have any man in the galaxy (and in her past she may have  ), but she  falls in love with a little, geeky, shy alien.  Why?  Because he loves her for her; not because she's an easy lay or she's the richest heiress in the Galaxy.

She still has her shallow moments, but the 'Easy Amy' of earlier episodes is replaced with a very caring, compassionate, supportive and understanding person (at least towards Kif).

Even though Amy was a minor character, I feel like she showed the most growth of any in the series.

Now if Leela would just take some well-intentioned advice about makeup tips...

Ralph 'running for his life away from Shiny and Venus' Snart

Just as she was always a very shallow person on the, er, surface.

Caring, compassionate, supportive...just not very sensitive or "thinks before she speaks"-ish.

In other words, consistent throughout the show, with her nice inner self allowed more air time while Kif was around.

Not that I approve at all of Kif's sissiness around her.  I <3 Original Sarcastic Kif.

 

Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
Just as she was always a very shallow person on the, er, surface.

Yes, shallow on the surface.  I used that same phrase to describe Quinn Morgendorffer once, and I think that it describes Amy equally well (even if the phrase itself doesn't make any sense).

 

Not that I approve at all of Kif's sissiness around her.  I <3 Original Sarcastic Kif.

I prefer Kif's original personality as well, but don't blame his later sissiness on Amy.  He was already a squishy green wuss in "Brannigan Begin Again" and Amy's nowhere to be seen in that episode.

Hey!  Kif isn't a spineless wuss.  At least, not totally.

He just has a system of fluid-filled bladders.  Which, on Amphibios 9, makes him teh macho.  But as a "doop" inductee, this forces him to be Zapp's inferior officer.  *sigh*

Myself, I think that from the time Amy and Kif first met on the Titanic, they knew they were meant for each other.  Both are brave but unrecognized.  Both take second stage to more popular characters.  And both have as yet unrealized potential.