getak2003
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« on: 04-30-2003 08:19 »
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I know Fry acts like a total idiot on the show, but could he be a genius?
I think of this now after reading an interesting fan fiction at starpulse.com. when you think about it, he could just be a genius who hides it so that he can live a normal life. it has always perplexed me as to how he seems to come up with ingenius solutions in the nick of time when he screws up the use of a damn microwave...
remember there are two kinds of genius, street, book, and undercover. i would say he is number three, because of the worms episode, where he is really smart. those nasty things may have tunned up his brain, but they are too damn small to have brains able to know stuff, not to mention they were born, what the day before?
if anything he simply has to be a genius and doesn't show it so that he can lead a normal life, who knows, if they knew how smart he was would they ever leave him alone when it came to a problem that wasn't life threatining?
just some thoughts.....
what do you think?
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
DOOP Secretary
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I don't think Fry is a genius undercover, I think he really is as slow as the show make him out to be. But he could be more. He has the potential to grow.
As you mentioned yourself, the worms didn't alter Fry, they simply tuned him, released his hidden potential so to speak. And they showed that Fry could be smart, suave and have good manners. Fry acted smart when he realised it wasn't his own doing and he had to get rid of the worms. But he could get there on his own (through study, discipline and training). He just doesn't have the patience and the endurance to do it. Afterall he is lazy.
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Dark Shooter
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Well, I don't think that Fry's a genius, but he has his moments. The scene in "Bender gets Made" where he rigs the ship to be flown from the gun turret, for example, or the 'Breathe fire' line from the Bot Planet episode. I would think that Fry's intelligence goes up a couple of notches when his life is in serious and immediate danger.
Of course that may be because it's a riot when Fry actually comes up with a good idea in really bad situations such as the above.
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Anarchist
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While I don't think Fry is a genius, he's certainly smarter than he usually acts. It seems like he's just too lazy to think most of the time, but he does stop acting stupid for a moment or two when it really matters.
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SQFreak
Professor
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He lacks the Delta Wave. That makes him dumb. As we saw by him trying to eat the pineapple in TWOF . |
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SQFreak
Professor
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Well, getak and Dark Shooter do have their points, but overall, Fry is most definitely not a genius.
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Killerfox
Professor
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Well i have been thinking and i guess he would not be: for example in his relationship with Leela, if he really likes her he should be more intelligent and do nice things for her to like him and not all the idiot things fry does all the time.
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]PaulFSAC[
Professor
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Fry has shown more signs of intelligence as the Season have gone on. Maybe the "worms" did more to him, than we realise?
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SQFreak
Professor
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Gocad: Could the Nibblonians have told Fry what to do somehow? They are older than time; maybe they figured out how to telepathically communicate sometimes. It explains how the Nibblonians can talk.
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Chanukah Zombie
Bending Unit
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I'll post, verbatim, the reply I gave on the thread from which this thread was cloned:
Originally posted by Chanukah Zombie:
Yeah, I commented on the "symposia" thing a while back in something I called "pedantically hypercorrect diction" in Futurama. I don't think Fry is the only one who uses it in the show. The thing that amused me most of all is that "symposia" is today considered overly precise in America. The preferred form is the far less formidable sounding "symposiums." Of course, nerds like me just can't accept that and continue saying it JUST AS GOD INTENDED.
In my boring-as-hell etiological analysis I would say that there is one or more of the following factors afoot here:
1) Fry is a smart person who is convinced that he is dumb and therefore convinces everyone else of that.
2) Fry tries, albeit unsuccesfully for the most part, to use big words and fancy concepts in his speech to cover up his stupidity, with the moral that being pedantic is not necessarily the same thing as being intellgient.
3) Fry is a longtime fan of science fiction and the lesson here is that sci-fi literature can ennoble the mind of even a simpleton.
4) There are many types of mental prowess and the English language tends to lump them all together in vague terms like "intelligence," "wisdom" and "knowledge" -- terms that no one ever really differentiates. The point being that a person can have enormous peaks and valleys between these different abilities and most people around him or her can't tell them apart so they categorize that person inaccurately according to just one of those traits.
5) There is no number five.
5a) Ambrosia (the American marshmallow concoction) only tastes good for about the first thirty seconds, or first three ounces, whichever comes first. Thereafter it serves mostly as an emetic.
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Dark Shooter
Poppler
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To SQFreak:
Oh, I don't deny that Fry's an idiot. It's just that he, like some idiots, have their moments of insight.
I think Chanukah Zombie is on the same track as I am; that he can do certain things well, but is very limited in what they are. Fry can trick a gigantic brain Star Trek style, but tell him to invent the wheel and, well...
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Zoid-Maestro
Crustacean
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No no he is way too stupid to be smart.
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getak2003
Bending Unit
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just because he can't express himself to a girl doesn't mean that he can't still be smart. i am really freaken smart, i have all A's in all advanced courses, but can i ever bring myself to talk to a girl? no, sad, very very sad, the curse of being considered a nerd. maybe that is why he wouldn't want to be known to be smart when he comes to the future and remakes his life. remember, everything everyone knows about his is just what he says. even what is real like his brother's sons grave from that clover episode can be worked in.
also, who said those damn worms taught him crap anyway? THEIR WORMS!!! their brains are a bundle of nerves in the anterior part of the body. granted they could talk and stuff in the show, but they all seemed like a bunch of laborers to me, just know how to improve the body.
not to mention, i am refering to before the worms came and he messed himself up real bad. after that, well, does perminant brain damage and retardedness ring a bell with anyone???? after that episode, i am suprises he wasn't shown to be WAY more stupid than he looked to be before.
if you immediately realize the candle light is fire, the meal was cooked long long ago.....
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SQFreak
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Originally posted by getak2003:
also, who said those damn worms taught him crap anyway? THEIR WORMS!!! their brains are a bundle of nerves in the anterior part of the body. granted they could talk and stuff in the show, but they all seemed like a bunch of laborers to me, just know how to improve the body.
Then how did he suddenly know that the smell from a rose was a chain of hydrocarbons? And how did he suddenly know how to play the holophoner? How did he suddenly know what part of his brain would screw him over (the actual name for that part of the brain is escaping me)? The worms taught him stuff. They demonstrated that they know Spanish: "Do you know what makes special sauce so special? Yo." Yo is Spanish for "I". And he has better grammar than most of us: "Do you know what makes special sauce so special. I." Though this may sound awkward, think about the "I" as being the subject of an incomplete sentence, as it is. The sentence is correctly, "I do." or "I make the special sauce so special." The worms are smart.
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SQFreak
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Where would he have learned about roses' smells being generated by a string of hydrocarbons? High school chemistry? I don't think so. I've taken two high school chemistry courses (had the AP Chemistry test today) and in none of them have we even discussed organic molecules! He dropped out of college, remember? So he didn't take any college chemistry.
Who says he had to practice the holophoner - or even buy it? He may have bought it long before to try to impress Leela, but learned he couldn't play it well. Then the worms taught him how to play it, so he wouldn't have to practice!
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getak2003
Bending Unit
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he may have gone on the ride, but it all can still be a lie. sure he has the dropout diploma, from what, a weekend with machelle at the amusement park?
or the worms just forced him to make the sonnet, maybe they improved him more than he was before. he could be average too you know, but come on, NOBODY can be that stupid without perminant brain damage. all the things he does are intentionally stupid anyway, or just clumsy accidents. nobody denies that Amy is smart..ish but she is still one hell of a clutz.
also, if he was a genious or not maybe just read some stuff somewhere, i think he coule know, because i am 25 and knew that hydrocarbon thing for a long time.
who knows, now don't give the the crappy job argument now. it seems more like it was a temp, hell, i have a crappy temp working at the supermarket, that means nothing.
lies, all lies......
when you think about it, it COULD be true.
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SQFreak
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You think Fry reads? Ha!
It could be true. But I contend that it isn't. And now for some reason you're talking about Amy...sorry, bad day. I was basically forced to quit my job and it's finals week at school. I'm being overly confrontational.
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getak2003
Bending Unit
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I'm was saying that just because you screw up on accident, that you are not stupid, just look at amy as an EXAMPLE of this. that is all.
and we have yet to see him READ in the future, but what about the past? new town, new time, new life. who is to say i am wrong here?....and has actual proof to the contrafy that can't be denied? every memory he has shared can be a lie, if you think it can't be, then i highly doubt that.
luck of the fryrish is just one giant flashback of everything about fry's life before he was frozen, and the legacy of his family. he could have made that stuff up easily, not to mention, any physical proof like the grave of that guy can also be easily tied in and he could easily put a spin on it.
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