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Assassin

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« on: 03-21-2003 19:09 »
« Last Edit on: 03-22-2003 00:00 by [-mArc-] »

The Inner Circle has strongly requested that I post this message on PEEL.
The members asked me to explain what the heck happened with me and Leandro, and little did they know, they asked more then they thought. I post this not to make trouble, I only post it, because the others thought I should spread the warning. Those who know me, know I don't lie. Those who don't, would be wise to give this message a second thought, no matter the conclusion you come to. Remember, think for yourself, don't let others do it for you.
What follows is an E-mail message that all TSE members read:

Long time ago, when Futurama was still in it's first season, the summer reruns came and I was inthrawled with this new show. That's when I met Mark LeWald. He was the first Leela lover I met, besides myself. Now, our friendship grew pretty strong. One day, durring midsummer, I suggested Mark and I should create a Leela website. He had the software to make an easy and yet simple website. I then said (making a joke on The Twilight Zone) we should call it, The Leela Zone. We had plans to take the Twilight Zone parody to the extreme, but we later just went with a simple black background and so forth. Our site grew, and so did our friendship.
[...] Mark was the artist drawing, and I was the writer. [...]
One day, tells me, he can't keep working on TLZ, and I asked, what would we do?
"Well, I met this nice guy named, Leandro I think. Nice guy. He says he'll take my place."
Mark didn't even give me a chance to talk with Leandro before he joined team TLZ. But what was I to worry about? Mark and I's site would be in good hands.
Well, as time went by, Leandro started to take over. Finally, he told me, either learn HTML, or get out? So I bought books, and started to study hard, but before I could do anything, Leandro kicked me from TLZ, AND removed me from the creation credits. THIS ticked me off.
I explained this to Mark, and Mark did write to Leandro, but nothing happened.
[... Things about Mark making Matt mad ...]
Left with no friends in the Futurama community, I thought I would just let it all go. And instead of mister nice guy, you see now the synical, wise-cracking ass before you. Leandro had taken my Futurama status, turned the community against me, and Mark took my sanity. You can take away my websites, but you are to never invade in my mind.
On that day, I began training my mind. Learning how to defend myself against such attacks. And learning how to inflict the same pain on to those who harmed me.
Well, time went by, and it was time to test my ablities. Through a series of word play, I was able to have Leandro drop his guard and give me another chance to come back to TLZ. But, as time went on, I realized, f*** TLZ, I'll make my own Leela website. Well, I played Leandro like a fiddle. That little man didn't even know what I was doing to him (that my friends is the second (false) friendship we had, the one most of you know about).
Well, finally, I realized, the most harm I can do to TLZ, is to take away what gave it, its start, my writings. I began working and devising, finally, forming a formal protest. Not carring what Leandro would think, I finally got my work off of his site. I had moved on. However, Leandro was not happy with me. You saw his alien language at TLZ "Part of the Kill Matthew Lenahan webring," (yeah, real mature).
Well, by then, I had Leela Lover Dot Com, new friends, and I was on my way back to the top.
That brings us to today. I have this wonderful group (TSE), the wonderful members who have joined so far, and I have some pretty dang good friends.
But allow me to summerize all that for you.....
I'm the one who gave TLZ the Leela Exercise pictures.
I refuse to associate myself in anyway with a site, [...] .
Leandro has hired a crack team, that has really taken TLZ down a level. It isn't the Leela site it use to be.
Leandro has hacked my friends' computers and stolen some very important information from them.
Leandro likes to have programs that invade people's privacy when going to HIS site. The man collects viruses. People, you don't collect viruses without a sinister reason.
And now, my anti TLZ message:
Folks, if you go to TLZ, you are supporting hackers, you are supporting someone with illeagal intensions. When I see messages like "Part of the Vampire webring" I know the Leela quality is going down.
The people who run TLZ are power hungry, anti-social, losers who's only confrentations can be preformed with a keyboard. If you cross them, they will f*** up your Harddrive.

The reason I didn't make it a rule to not visit TLZ with this club (TSE), and my friends, is because, I don't like to force people to do things, they don't want. I don't like to seduce little children to have sex with me, I don't like to hack into other people's computers, and I respect everyone's free will.
If you go to TLZ, that is cool with me. As a human, you have the right to do just about whatever you want. But bare in mind this, you do it, at your own risk.
"And now you know the rest of the story, good day."
-Leela Lover Matt-

[edit by mArc]I took out things about Mark LeWald here. It adds nothing of substance to the things said and might get people into trouble. PEEL is not meant to be a pillory for people not reading here. I'll also notify the TLZ team for that reason.[/edit]
TheLesbianLeela

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« Reply #1 on: 03-21-2003 19:20 »

 
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Originally posted by Assassin:
If you go to TLZ, that is cool with me. As a human, you have the right to do just about whatever you want. But bare in mind this, you do it, at your own risk.
I've never visited TLZ since surely more than ... whatever, a long time.

@Moderators: Even if some of the facts Matt told here about TLZ may be sounding shocking to you, please don't close this thread too fast. It's important to talk about all this.

By-the-way: Matt, a nice PEEL name you have.  smile It remembers me of the cool song "Assassino" by Amanda Lear.  smile Amanda Lear rules!  smile

-- Leela Lover Daniela
aslate

Space Pope
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« Reply #2 on: 03-21-2003 19:20 »

Erm, did i miss alot?

When has/does all this happen. And TLZ is no longer on the PEEL links i see.
Assassin

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« Reply #3 on: 03-21-2003 19:36 »

I have no idea how long you have been here Aslate, but yes. You see, this community is quite the Soap Opera. And frankly, you have just been updated on all the episodes you missed.
Gort

Bending Unit
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« Reply #4 on: 03-22-2003 05:35 »

Hmmm... paranoia and hallucination seems to be in order today for Matt. I'm not really going to reply to this immature diatribe, because the words themselves express more about LLM than about anyone at TLZ.  big grin

I'm just wondering if LLM and Co are more pissed because I exposed one of their members trying to peddle Futurama porn in an update at TLZ. :P

[-mArc-], thanks for alerting me to this childish babble, but if it's OK with you, I'd prefer it to be kept up to illuminate the world of what crap Leandro had to put up with all those years ago.

*Gort wonders what the LLM SuperFriends Club does in between Matt's sulking about his TLZ past... bet it ain't too wholesome.*
SB

Bending Unit
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« Reply #5 on: 03-22-2003 06:56 »
« Last Edit on: 03-22-2003 06:56 »

 
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Originally posted by Gort:
Hmmm... paranoia and hallucination seems to be in order today for Matt. I'm not really going to reply to this immature diatribe, because the words themselves express more about LLM than about anyone at TLZ.    big grin

I'm just wondering if LLM and Co are more pissed because I exposed one of their members trying to peddle Futurama porn in an update at TLZ. :P

[-mArc-], thanks for alerting me to this childish babble, but if it's OK with you, I'd prefer it to be kept up to illuminate the world of what crap Leandro had to put up with all those years ago.

*Gort wonders what the LLM SuperFriends Club does in between Matt's sulking about his TLZ past... bet it ain't too wholesome.*

Following on from aslate's question as I'm relatively new to the Futurama Community, why isn't TLZ linked to PEEL?

I notice you carefully avoided the bit about hacking and virus collections, I guess Leandro will respond to that in due course.

Is it true the site is still going after 2 C&D letters, when Planet Express closed after 1?
Gort

Bending Unit
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« Reply #6 on: 03-22-2003 07:15 »

SB, I didn't respond to those accusations simply because I find them laughable and purile, and I still won't waste my, and your, time refuting them. They're simply a desperate attempt at trying to get some childish "revenge" on TLZ, on LLM's behalf. Maybe you should ask LLM and gang to be more specific about what was hacked, etc. It's so easy to say things and not back them up with evidence of any kind.

As you say, maybe Leandro will reply. Then again, maybe he'll just sigh and go onto more important business. Who knows.

The PEEL business has nothing to do with us, so I won't comment on that.

We have had a few C&Ds to our name. I suppose it's up to the webmasters of each site what response they give them. Sometimes the circumstances are different for different sites, so maybe our circumstances were more favourable than for Planet Express.
SB

Bending Unit
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« Reply #7 on: 03-22-2003 08:07 »
« Last Edit on: 03-22-2003 08:07 »

   
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Originally posted by Gort:
SB, I didn't respond to those accusations simply because I find them laughable and purile, and I still won't waste my, and your, time refuting them. They're simply a desperate attempt at trying to get some childish "revenge" on TLZ, on LLM's behalf. Maybe you should ask LLM and gang to be more specific about what was hacked, etc. It's so easy to say things and not back them up with evidence of any kind.

As you say, maybe Leandro will reply. Then again, maybe he'll just sigh and go onto more important business. Who knows.

The PEEL business has nothing to do with us, so I won't comment on that.

We have had a few C&Ds to our name. I suppose it's up to the webmasters of each site what response they give them. Sometimes the circumstances are different for different sites, so maybe our circumstances were more favourable than for Planet Express.

Thank you for your frank and well worded response.  It amazes me the when the show needs it's fans together, the website part of the community seems fractured. 

I've just got mine going and it seems to be doing OK.  I don't hope to attain the heights of PEEL, CGEF, TFP, FSAC and TLZ, but as long as it survives I'll be happy.

SFPP - Please Visit - Click the block tongue
Click to enter my site.


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Leandro

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« Reply #8 on: 03-22-2003 11:34 »

Hey there people.

Well, thanks to Marcus and Marc (similar nicks, different people) for telling me about this thread. Some things I have to reply about:

>Mark didn't even give me a chance to talk with
>Leandro before he joined team TLZ. But what was
>I to worry about? Mark and I's site would be in
>good hands.

And they are. It's still growing. It'll hit 500K visitors in a week, something that may not match huge site's numbers, but for our style of site, we're very proud of. Mark isn't around, or it would be great to ask HIM what he thinks. Your view is terribly one-sided, and you imply that Mark isn't happy with you getting kicked out. Let him post on what he believes there, for I already know his opinion (mailed him about this a long time ago).

>Well, as time went by, Leandro started to take over.

Now let me explain quite what he means with 'take over'. The (original) Leela Zone closed in January of 2000. My idea was to restart it in February 1st, and at the time I was convinced that TLZ's "cowebmaster" would help me to move the stuff. Well, I waited for two months for him to do *something*. He didn't. His knowledge of FTP is [was] as null as his knowledge of HTML, so I ended up downloading most the HTML from the site by hand and modifying them for the new site, which I wanted open by April 1st (it was mid-march by then). The site did indeed open, but his collaboration was next to NONE. The people who helped TLZ more then were the people from CGEF (Andie, Jason, Josh at the time) who gave us hosting and tips; Rubén from Futurama en Español and Marcelo from Futurama Latinoamérica; Robert Hawks from Futurama Fan Art (FFART) and others that if I have to list, I'd be writing for too long. Matthew's role consisted in writing useless news items (if you go to the very early news archive of TLZ, most of them are still there, except those removed for being utter crap).

>Finally, he told me, either learn HTML, or get out?

I think every responsible webmaster would ask for at least THAT. He didn't know HTML, nor FTP, nor anything. The only reason he was able to put news items in the main page was because of the NewsPro script -- in the original TLZ, he forwarded to Mark what he wanted up, and Mark uploaded it.

>So I bought books, and started to study hard, but before I could do
>anything, Leandro kicked me from TLZ, AND removed me from the creation
>credits. THIS ticked me off.

Actually, what ticked him off was that I brought David "Dave" Curtin as a cowebmaster of the site without asking him. And I'm still glad I did; Dave was a great contributor of TLZ in the early years and I still see him from time to time online. With someone like David as TLZ's cowebmaster in the Mark times, the site wouldn't have needed me.

And what Matthew isn't saying here is that I waited for him and gave him HTML lessons, and then one day got an email from a girl telling me LLM was "corrupting" her younger brother through the Internet, and attached there were a series of "fan fiction" called "Loving Leela", written by some Matthew Lenahan, which I got confirmation from himself that he'd wrote. First-person porno featuring Leela. Now THAT folks, is what pissed me off, the reason why I "kicked" him -- I don't need to deal with a porno lover "helping" me. And removing him from the creation credits was done with Mark's go-ahead; Matthew exaggerates much of his role in the 'creation' of TLZ (I still have the site as it was when it closed in January 2000 in a ZIP somewhere; he was as useless then as he was in the first month of the 'new' TLZ).

>Left with no friends in the Futurama community, I thought I would
>just let it all go. And instead of mister nice guy, you see now the
>synical, wise-cracking ass before you. Leandro had taken my Futurama
>status, turned the community against me, and Mark took my sanity. You
>can take away my websites, but you are to never invade in my mind.

I'm scared to invade your mind. I want to be as far of your mind as possible. And cynical is written with a C. And by the way, I didn't turn the community against you, though you are pretty fixated on me as the cause of all your problems.

>On that day, I began training my mind. Learning how to defend myself
>against such attacks. And learning how to inflict the same pain on to
>those who harmed me.

*groan* Anyone still taking this seriously?

>Well, time went by, and it was time to test my ablities. Through a series
>of word play, I was able to have Leandro drop his guard and give me another
>chance to come back to TLZ.

...Really? When was that? I don't remember. After Dave, there was Gort, and I'm sure that if I had even mentioned a chance of getting you back to TLZ with Gort there, *he* would have kicked *me* off the site. I never gave you another chance.

>Well, I played Leandro like a fiddle. That little man didn't even know
>what I was doing to him (that my friends is the second (false) friendship
>we had, the one most of you know about).

Oh boy. You're even more delusional than what I thought. I'm not a person to be played like a fiddle, Matthew. I did receive several messages from you after the "hacking" incident you mention, that I shoved aside like most spam, though we all had a laugh over them.

>Well, finally, I realized, the most harm I can do to TLZ, is to take
>away what gave it, its start, my writings.

OHHHH SURE THING!  big grin I'm laughing for real now, people. It's terribly going to harm TLZ the removal of "Reducing Reprodution", a fanfic where the crew is delivering condoms to some planet. I can't remember the others, but that one was so lame that I can't remove it from my mind.

>I began working and devising, finally, forming a formal protest. Not
>carring what Leandro would think, I finally got my work off of his site.

I remember, and I was certainly pissed off. He mailed me, didn't wait for a reply, and immediately posted here that I was denying him his freedom, or something. That pissed me off and I replied quite angry. I was more than happy to trash his "writings".

>I had moved on. However, Leandro was not happy with me. You saw his
>alien language at TLZ "Part of the Kill Matthew Lenahan webring,"
>(yeah, real mature).

We removed your crap some two or three months ago. I remember posting that alien language, nearly three *years* ago, right when I "kicked" you out the site after seeing 'Loving Leela'. "You saw his alien language on TLZ" -- I don't know who are you talking to here, but it couldn't have been anyone recent, unless you *really* have archived an screenshot from three years ago. In which case, you're just sad.

>Well, by then, I had Leela Lover Dot Com, new friends, and I was on
>my way back to the top.

ROTFLMAO!!! That green site made with HTML creation tools... oh boy oh boy oh boy. That sure made us laugh. I've seen GeoCities sites that are better, and that's saying something. One page to say who you were, one page to say who Leela was, and one page gloating about some merchandise package and a guestbook. Oh yeah, that's a "site". It didn't even have any Leela pictures! And I can see that your "top" is badmouthing other people and thinking that you're too important to them like to care about what you do. Oh yep, that's evolution indeed.

>I'm the one who gave TLZ the Leela Exercise pictures.

And you also selected framegrabs from CGEF and forwarded me the URLs so I would create the framegrab pages and put them up. And that is the full extent of his contributions to TLZ. I'm not even sure if the bit about the excersice pics is true, I'd have to check with Mark, but even if that is true, does it make a difference to TLZ having that section or not? I think we've got ~600MB of stuff, right Gort? And you're saying that as if without the Excersice pictures, people wouldn't visit TLZ and the site would be ruined.

>Leandro has hired a crack team, that has really taken TLZ down a level.
>It isn't the Leela site it use to be.

Guilty as charged, if by "crack team" you mean "good webmasters", that haven't been "hired" but have freely given their time to contribute with TLZ a lot. It isn't the Leela site it used to be; it's bigger and better. After three years, a site's meant to grow up. It's funny that all this rant is centered on me; I rarely update TLZ anymore, my life's busy with other things. For all that matters, TLZ is Gort's site now; the last "hirings" in the "crack team" have been his initiative and my updates appear, at most, once a week.

>Leandro has hacked my friends' computers and stolen some very
>important information from them.

Here you go saying "Leandro". People -- My connection is a 56k modem, and much as I have fame of being an überNerd, I'm not. I know what a port scan is, but I wouldn't know how to exploit a vulnerability, and I don't have the time nor interest to learn about it, neither. Matthew is referring to someone I know (not a webmaster of TLZ, and never was) finding the password to FSAC's domain pretty much by incident, and redirecting it to Rotten.com. Then he accessed more of Paul Metcalfe's stuff (With the domain on his power, he was able to get pretty much all his passwords by asking them sent to his email address) and found very sick things. I wasn't involved more than as a watcher, and Paul himself knows that because a friend I trusted but didn't know was also Paul's friend forwarded him a message where I told her about the "event".

>Leandro likes to have programs that invade people's privacy when
>going to HIS site.

This is total and utter crap. Anyone who knows anything about how websites operate should see that TLZ doesn't even set cookies. TLZ, just like *any* site out there, uses your IP to count how many unique visitors get to the site per day. That's all. It doesn't even store the referral string in the same file.

>The man collects viruses. People, you don't collect
>viruses without a sinister reason.

I have given up on my virus collection long ago because a harddisk crash deleted it, but collecting viruses was a hobby of mine since I first found a virus with TNTvirus in 1989 with my very first 286. Some people collect firearms and they're not going off shooting everyone on sight. I used to collect viruses because I was a kid nerd because viruses used to be a great way to learn assembly programming techniques (anyone remember how the "Is Windows a Virus?" thing ended? -- Virus are fast, and get more and more optimized as time goes by). Given up on them for two years already; the current viruses (read: Internet Worms, which in my opinion are NOT viruses) are more annoying than interesting.

>Folks, if you go to TLZ, you are supporting hackers, you are
>supporting someone with illeagal intensions.

Not even gonna comment on this.

>When I see messages
>like "Part of the Vampire webring" I know the Leela quality is
>going down.

HAHAHAHA, I'm amazed on how you can still remember that kind of things! Go check the Layout Museum, it was one of the old layouts too, over two years old. Based on a halloween pic with Leela as a vampire, it included a blood-dripping sign that said "Warning: Vampire Zone". I still find it funny. If you don't, oh well, too bad you don't get a joke.

You're forgetting one: "THBZ" - The Heartless Bitch's Zone. That one was up right after "Parisites Lost" aired, because I was very pissed off at Leela's "I love what you've become" in the episode. In a chatroom, I commented that to Josh and Paul (forgot who else was there) and Josh suggested the subtitle, while Paul (who was a cowebmaster of TLZ at the time) was very against it. I put it up anyway, we had a laugh, and next thing I know is that Paul had deleted his entire NewsPro database, which I had to rebuild from the HTML data. So, the sense of humor in 'your group' is definitely not developed.

>The people who run TLZ are power hungry, anti-social, losers who's
>only confrentations can be preformed with a keyboard. If you cross
>them, they will f*** up your Harddrive.

Okay, this is an Anti-TLZ message so I guess badmouthing us is standard policy. I'll just have to comment on the "anti-social losers" bit: what ARE you, then?

>Following on from aslate's question as I'm relatively new to the
>Futurama Community, why isn't TLZ linked to PEEL?

PEEL stopped linking to TLZ after the redirection of FSAC to Rotten. Paul Metcalfe, FSAC's cowebmaster, was [is?] a moderator here, and since the general idea (as Matthew message suggests) is that the "hacker" was me, it was a "revenge on TLZ" (that's how I see it, anyway).

CGEF doesn't link to TLZ neither, and that IS my fault; when Jason decided to close CGEF, I was angry at Andie because of something that had happened with Planet Roadmap (at one point I was a cowebmaster of CGEF too; years ago) and I managed to piss everybody off and make everybody believe it was my fault (which at the time was my intention). I've come to regret that, but I know that broken trusts can't get glued so easily, so things always remained that way.

>I notice you carefully avoided the bit about hacking and virus
>collections, I guess Leandro will respond to that in due course.

Yeah. In a nutshell: all the hacking stuff is utter crap. I used to collect viruses, though. Got tired of that for the reasons said above (and no, I didn't use them to infect any computer, ever. It was a collecting hobby).

>Is it true the site is still going after 2 C&D letters, when Planet
>Express closed after 1?

Three C&D letters to TLZ (via email) plus one via snail-mail. Yes, it's true; I mailed PlanetExpress.dk right after it closed asking them why close when they could have ignored it, and their reply was "We wanted to avoid legal problems; Fox has more money than us". We've laughed off C&Ds in the front page. Only once we were closed because of a C&D: it was sent to our DNS manager (MyDomain.com at the time) and they removed the DNS records for TLZ, thus shutting us down until Rubén got new ones working. Otherwise, there have been no side-effects to Fox's C&Ds.

I think that's all I have to say of this. Read you later,
Leandro.

You've got to play the cards life deals you. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose... but at least you're in the game.

Futurama Madhouse
]PaulFSAC[

Professor
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« Reply #9 on: 03-22-2003 11:52 »
« Last Edit on: 03-22-2003 11:52 »

I'll answer one of SB's question as well.

 
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>Following on from aslate's question as I'm relatively new to the
>Futurama Community, why isn't TLZ linked to PEEL?
PEEL stopped linking to TLZ after the redirection of FSAC to Rotten. Paul Metcalfe, FSAC's cowebmaster, was [is?] a moderator here, and since the general idea (as Matthew message suggests) is that the "hacker" was me, it was a "revenge on TLZ" (that's how I see it, anyway).

On the other hand, FSAC had a TLZ button up until today - despite what happened last year, when I payed a cursory visit and noticed that FSAC's button wasn't on TLZ, so I removed it, unless I'm wrong and the button is hidden somewhere, in which case I'll put the button back.  I personally never held anything against the site, hence the link stayed in efforts of friendship between the sites at some level.

I prefer to be referred to as FSAC's creator .. not Co-Webmaster.  I am an ex-mod on this board, due to me having a hiatus from the board last year, and mArc deciding it was too long without posting and removed me, even though I kept an eye on things happening.

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FSAC is not just about my art, it's for the fans, any art or fictions will be gratefully received.  I'm not going to go on forever, so if I stop, then without support the site would stop, wish will be a great shame, since it seems to have some popularity

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Gort

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« Reply #10 on: 03-22-2003 12:17 »

LOL! Paul, maybe you could explain why the TLZ button was missing some months ago for some months, rather than paint yourself with any virtue. Anyway, another reason, and far more serious in its nature, for delinking to you was due to some problem we had in associating with someone who gets his kicks out of helpless situations. *insert pukey smiley here*

Something's rotten in the Futurama Net community, and it's not us.  tongue
]PaulFSAC[

Professor
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« Reply #11 on: 03-22-2003 12:34 »

 
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Originally posted by Gort:
LOL! Paul, maybe you could explain why the TLZ button was missing some months ago for some months, rather than paint yourself with any virtue. Anyway, another reason, and far more serious in its nature, for delinking to you was due to some problem we had in associating with someone who gets his kicks out of helpless situations. *insert pukey smiley here*

Something's rotten in the Futurama Net community, and it's not us.   tongue

If you noticed, the TLZ button was there, it was in the Buddy Button random appearance script, so it had a 1 in 7 chance of appearing, like most of the other sites do.
Leandro

Bending Unit
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« Reply #12 on: 03-22-2003 12:43 »

For the sake of not turning this into a tri-way flame war, let's not go in there, OK Gort?

FSAC indeed had TLZ (I don't know until when, I don't visit FSAC) in a random button displayer thingy. I think FSAC's slogan was at some point, 'the site with the most buddy buttons'. Well, TLZ isn't. Our buddy buttons usually end up displaying newer or smaller promising sites (Bender Bending, Something About Leela) than keeping the same old "big" sites that everyone visits already. (ANSTATMAW doesn't even have a buddy button bar to link back, but it's a great site, so it's there). I don't like random button thingies -- either the button's there or it isn't. Every site we can find ends up in The Links Zone, though. Nearly 90 at present -- not even near the 300+ that Planet Roadmap had, but oh well, we're not Planet Roadmap.

Anyway, buddy-button policy wasn't the main topic here.

You've got to play the cards life deals you. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose... but at least you're in the game.
]PaulFSAC[

Professor
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« Reply #13 on: 03-22-2003 12:49 »
« Last Edit on: 03-22-2003 12:49 »

   
Quote
Originally posted by Leandro:
For the sake of not turning this into a tri-way flame war, let's not go in there, OK Gort?

FSAC indeed had TLZ (I don't know until when, I don't visit FSAC) in a random button displayer thingy. I think FSAC's slogan was at some point, 'the site with the most buddy buttons'. Well, TLZ isn't. Our buddy buttons usually end up displaying newer or smaller promising sites (Bender Bending, Something About Leela) than keeping the same old "big" sites that everyone visits already. (ANSTATMAW doesn't even have a buddy button bar to link back, but it's a great site, so it's there). I don't like random button thingies -- either the button's there or it isn't. Every site we can find ends up in The Links Zone, though. Nearly 90 at present -- not even near the 300+ that Planet Roadmap had, but oh well, we're not Planet Roadmap.

Anyway, buddy-button policy wasn't the main topic here.

You've got to play the cards life deals you. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose... but at least you're in the game.

As FSAC doesn't have a links page, which I will try and rectify someday, and yes FSAC is there on Links Zone (sounds like a Mircrosoft Golfing Game Website for some reason    wink), I will put the button back, just for the sake of harmony.

I'll agree with you about ANSTATMAW.
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« Reply #14 on: 03-22-2003 13:01 »

Ok I think this is getting out of hand. I think there is no reason you some people should bitch about TLZ. Matt I know you had a hard time with them durring the past but I think you should keep your opinions to yourself and not telling people to join you against TLZ.

Now I like TLZ and it is one of my fave sites. I never have a problems with the web masters too. They are nice.

Now I joined TSE for friendly conversation with other fans, not to bitch about other sites like the ones I like. I am starting to get second thoughts about TSE.

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« Reply #15 on: 03-22-2003 13:04 »

FSAC dosen't even have One And Only Bender buddie button too
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« Reply #16 on: 03-22-2003 13:39 »

Try saying "Bender buddie button" very fast.
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« Reply #17 on: 03-22-2003 13:51 »

 
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FSAC dosen't even have One And Only Bender buddie button too
The source code suggests other wise:

 
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« Reply #18 on: 03-22-2003 14:13 »
« Last Edit on: 03-22-2003 14:13 »

   
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>Following on from aslate's question as I'm relatively new to the
>Futurama Community, why isn't TLZ linked to PEEL?

PEEL stopped linking to TLZ after the redirection of FSAC to Rotten.
I'm not exactly sure which incident it was, but not that one. PEEL stopped linking to TLZ way earlier. Probably around the time of the THJ thing. CGEF stopped after some mutual rounds of reducing button exposure with rotation scripts and the like. That was in a time after some other tensions in the chatroom and on/with PEEL. Think we both didn't really need the association anymore since. We're fine off in parallel rather than connected.
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« Reply #19 on: 03-22-2003 16:53 »

 
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I'm not exactly sure which incident it was, but not that one. PEEL stopped linking to TLZ way earlier. Probably around the time of the THJ thing.

Don't want to argue with you, Marc, but at the time THJ opened, PEEL was closed, so it wasn't quite linking anywhere. PEEL had a link to TLZ after it came back, and it was removed after FSAC redirected to Rotten.

 
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We're fine off in parallel rather than connected.

I can only agree with that. Still, we've drifted quite off the main topic... where did "Assasin" go?

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« Reply #20 on: 03-22-2003 17:59 »

 
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Originally posted by [-mArc-]:
I'm not exactly sure which incident it was, but not that one. PEEL stopped linking to TLZ way earlier. Probably around the time of the THJ thing. CGEF stopped after some mutual rounds of reducing button exposure with rotation scripts and the like. That was in a time after some other tensions in the chatroom and on/with PEEL. Think we both didn't really need the association anymore since. We're fine off in parallel rather than connected.

Yeah I remember that THJ thing...  I heard something about someone deleting PEEL and that's why PEEL was down...  roll eyes  I don't know, everyone's entitled to decide what they want, but I feel it's kind of stupid for a few people to play the blame game.  Some people got pissed off, they did/said some stuff they shouldn't have etc.  Let's drop it, watch some Futurama, and look at our favorite Futurama sites like we always have.  wink NUFF said!
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« Reply #21 on: 03-22-2003 18:51 »
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Amen to that. I'll just make one last comment, regarding some "Brian McKiltey". Right after Graham posted in the page how he didn't like being sent porn, SmooveNet was "warned" about us being "law breakers, for refusing to close down after receiving two Cease and Desist letters from FOX". I just was told that this guy Brian also sent that to Smiley's from "Uses for a Hacker", suggesting a picture of TLZ webmaster breaking into other people's computers. Well, boy, sorry for telling you this, but SmooveNet is not going to close us down for you emailing all bitchy. And FOX isn't the law, and a Cease-and-Desist isn't a legal order, neither. And in any case, I don't live in the USA (and neither does Graham, Kenneth nor Sebastian), so we're not bound by the US law, and certainly aren't going to close just because some Fox lawyer tells us so.

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« Reply #22 on: 03-22-2003 19:58 »
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Originally posted by Leandro:
Matthew: You really should get a life. And it appears your "Inner Circle" does as well.
Bender:Hahahahaha" Wait, you meaned that seriously? Let me even laugh harder! Hahahahahahaha!
But seriously now: Matt is a really friendly person and he has a life for sure.
Ok, you both have problems between you, but I think every problem could be solved. Well, even if this problem is waiting since years for his solving. You hear the idealistic woman in me speaking.   smile
What about you both try to show the other site that you would be happy about peace.
Well, Matt talked for long time with you to solve your both problems and I remember him saying "Leo isn't that bad after all. We could be friends..." or something like this. That wasn't an exactly quote.
I think, Leo, it wouldn't hurt you if you would add on that little golden (or which colour) sign on the foot of every TLZ site: "Originally created by Mark and Matt" or something like that.   smile
Also, in my own personal opinion -> it isn't nice if you call TLZ the "only just Leela dedicated" site. Ok, LLdotCom isn't the greatest Leela site on your side of the Atlantic Ocean, but it is a site. Also there are many other Leela sites in the whole wide internet I saw once.
Again: I hope both partys in this discussion could find a way to solve all their problems.
I would do anything that in future there'll be a storng Futurama fan-community, which is able to resist FOX. A community where everyone can trust on everyone ...
Ok, enough of my idealistic ideas.
Oh, and to answer your line, the "Inner Circles" should find a real life... You may remember from old TLZ times, I'm a LeelaLover and we could talk good and friendly in that time back in 2001/2002.
(Even if you sometimes needed a week for posting my art, but whatver ... no-one's a perfect expert about internet   wink)
Well, I have a life, with studying, hobbies, fun, friends and love and etc.   smile
I'm sure Matt also does so. And I'm sure even you and Gort have both a life, even if you are working for sure much time at TLZ.

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« Reply #23 on: 03-22-2003 20:16 »
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Well, Matt talked for long time with you to solve your both problems and I remember him saying "Leo isn't that bad after all. We could be friends..." or something like this. That wasn't an exactly quote.

Daniela, I am not the one who keeps coming back every now and then ready to badmouth me at PEEL, even knowing that I don't even visit PEEL unless Gort warns me about one of his posts. Much like PEEL&CGEF/TLZ are "better off fine in parallel that connected", I have left Matthew alone every single time, and he keeps coming back every now and then ready with some new claims or something. I'm tired of him. I want him to forget TLZ and move on. It doesn't seem to me that he's got a life if all he can do is bitch about the past.

 
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I think, Leo, it wouldn't hurt you if you would add on that little golden (or which colour) sign on the foot of every TLZ site: "Originally created by Mark and Matt" or something like that.

He didn't create the site. Mark has told me so, and I keep Mark's word, especially after seeing how he didn't ever even have access to the old TLZ files. For me, Matthew was a cowebmaster more, one that didn't do much. The sign at the bottom doesn't mention every single cowebmaster we had, much as I'd like to have Dave and others there.

 
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it isn't nice if you call TLZ the "only just Leela dedicated" site.

If you saw that in one of the sub-pages in the site, it's probably an old comment before other good Leela pages opened, like "Something About Leela". The site's slogan in the title is "the oldest living Futurama Fansite" (and it is).
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« Reply #24 on: 03-23-2003 01:45 »

 
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The Inner Circle has strongly requested that I post this message on PEEL.

The Outer Circle couldn't give a flaming rat's ass.

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« Reply #25 on: 03-23-2003 11:26 »

* Leandro stands up and applauds Kryten's reply!


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« Reply #26 on: 03-23-2003 18:50 »
« Last Edit on: 03-24-2003 00:00 by [-mArc-] »

Okay kiddies, we've sure had fun. *Smiles while exagerating chin* Listen now, I will admit, I wrote what I did, and I regret nothing. However, the first one was started, from my own curiosity. The second, because, I like to close a story. Three and up, were created, because curious readers, wanted more. Each and every reader, wanted more, and gave requests.
In case it managed not to sink in, I did move on. I burried the demons, right after I got my fics off of TLZ. However, people on TSE asked "What ever happened between you and Leandro." Folks, you don't go up to a Concentration Camp survivor, and just ask, "Gee, oh why did you and Col. Klink not get along?" That is when the asked would slap the asker in the face, then spit one for lord all mighty. YOU DON'T DIG UP OLD DEMONS! And, seeing as I don't lie, I felt compelled to answer, giving MY side of the story.
You know, the smart ones are the ones who stay nutral in all of this. I being not one of the smart ones, but I live with what I have made, and frankly, I am enjoying it.
Now, of course when I posted in a group E-mail what happened, they then responded saying, I should post this on PEEL.
"Gee, of course MATT will post such a thing. He loves to dig up old confrentations." You are mind numbingly wrong. I *exagerating the possesive* was the one who had my doubts. I didn't want to cause what just happened. But frankly, I then said, "Hell, you only live once in this life." I knew something like this would happen, and frankly, if you all were smart enough, you wouldn't have even posted! The smart ones, were the ones trying to create PEACE, and end this where it should have. You all are so easy to agitate. Of course I'm not the most liked poster, or person. And frankly, I couldn't give the perverbial rat's ass.
I have my real life, with friends, job, outtings, and living quarters. I have come to the point in life, where I know how to be happy. I get my Sh*ts and giggels from you guys. More of a test to see how full your powdered kegs are.
Once again, let me summerize this for you, I'll try to keep the key topics to a minimum, seeing as in college, my Speach professor taught us, your average humans don't like to use their minds much.

1. Yeah, I wrote the LL's, and I'm glad. I can affect people with words, how about you? You all are proof.
2. I am to blame for putting this here, but bare in mind, I hypothesised what would happen, and you have proven my hypothesis. *Thumbs up* Nice work.
3. You are all so easy. If I see one more post on here, saying what a LOON I am, or how I am delusional, then you only further my reasearch. Repeat my monkeys, "I will not give in, I will not post something else. I was not in my right mind when I even typed a reponse."

Now onto another subject entirely. Where the hell did PAUL even become wrapped up in this? Paul is my good friend, and frankly the way you lunged upon him like hungery harpies, sickens me. *whistels one note* Eyes up here monkeys. This is, and was about ME, Paul had NOTHING to do with this. Paul's not even a member of TSE or The Inner Circle, and I want to make that clear. Frankly, I think the only reason Paul was mentioned was to keep this post alive, putting more wood on the fire.
I hate Leandro, I hate Mark, the rest of you guys, I'm just worried about. You hate me, and I say GO with it.
If you want to get into psychology, you might say I only posted this to see if I would get the attention I would so desperately need. I think also a good observation is, instead of doing the right thing, you gave me my attention, the question is, why?
Frankly the only time when Leandro started making sense, was when he talked about "Is anyone even still reading?" Then Leandro continued to read, but that's a whole different subject.
I am glad this thread was not closed, it should not have been. But it also should not have been, RESPONDED to.
Leandro, if you, or anyone reads this, pass on for me to Mark when you "chat" with him, this message: "Mark, where you've buddy? You seem to keep changing your E-mails, you are never home when I call, I knock on your door, you aren't there. I feel... abandoned. Well, I just hope you and Andrea are truely in love, cause if not, you have just screwed up your life for when you do find the one you love. Hugs and kisses."
For those of you who are reading this and are becoming more creeped out by my presence, you are right to feel so. Leandro, you are right, you want to stay away from my mind. Because I pitty the man who truely does read my mind.
I end saying this, if this does get a respone, or if this is closed, it will be frustrating on so many levels.
Hugs and kisses to you all, I'm outta here for now. Time to turn in my report. See you all soon.
-Matthew D. Lenahan-
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« Reply #27 on: 03-23-2003 19:19 »

Sorry, although i've read all of this i don't see what everything pivots on. The only thing i can pick out was the 10 year old girl stuff or whatever.
Also try and cut down on the wordiness of your posts, making them a bit shorter would help me read them.
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« Reply #28 on: 03-23-2003 19:22 »

Hmmm... I don't think anything more needs to be added. As I said in a previous reply to this weird and wacky topic, this exposes more about LLM than TLZ or anyone else.
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« Reply #29 on: 03-23-2003 19:28 »

Well, I learned that I probably owes Gort a small apology. In another thread I hinted that I thought Leandro was the one doing the programming at TLZ. I see I was wrong about that, as it's a joint effort.

Sorry about that, Graham.
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« Reply #30 on: 03-23-2003 19:37 »

That's no problem, Teral.  smile Leo does the layout stuff and the CGI, and he's far more technical than I am. I do know HTML and other website stuff, and do contribute to the site's coding in a few ways, but you'd be right to suspect that Leo is the real motor behind that kind of thing.

So, yeah I do contribute more than maybe you suspected, but I wouldn't claim to be as skilled as Leo either.
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« Reply #31 on: 03-23-2003 19:43 »

IT is the Futurama Webring Soap Drama... 
Next week: Watch as a lonely webmaster breaks down in his basement as he watches his beloved show preempted!!!
On As the Futurama Turns....
hehehehe  roll eyes
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« Reply #32 on: 03-23-2003 23:08 »

Hey Matt, I'm sending you a package. It's a big box of I Don't Give a Fuck.

...and on that note, buh-bye.
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