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Solar Dragon

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« on: 08-08-2009 16:22 »

Hi all,
I am Solar Dragon. A member of the Futurama Wiki and was wondering whether anyone would like to join up.

The Wiki is an encyclopedia all about Futurama. It is edited by anyone who wants to and the whole world can edit if you want to.

The link is here: http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Futurama_Wiki

If you would like to sign up and help us out, feel free. We only have 3 or 4 active members at the moment.

I know that at least one of you is a member of another Futurama wiki, please do not try to shoot us down in spite of our wiki.

Thank You for reading, Solar Dragon and the Futurama Wiki administrative team.
Svip

Space Pope
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« Reply #1 on: 08-08-2009 16:47 »

Just a warning:  This message board is unofficially affiliated with The Infosphere.

I am not going to say anything else, just a friendly warning, but good luck.
Quolnok

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« Reply #2 on: 08-08-2009 16:55 »

*twitch*
Oh, goody. It continues...
totalnerduk

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« Reply #3 on: 08-08-2009 17:58 »

The Infosphere is always recruiting suckers though. I'm sure if you offered svip your help, he'd accept it.

Not that wikis are anything but a waste of time and resources that could otherwise be devoted to making flash games for forum members to play.

Not that I'm dropping hints or anything.

That would be crazy.

Where's winna?
Solar Dragon

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« Reply #4 on: 08-08-2009 18:26 »

We have been down that road before and I will not (along with the other members) move over to the Infosphere. We have offered them to merge with us (which they denied) so we are trying to get better. We are putting in a lot of effort and will get our wiki up to scratch within a year (I hope) until the new episodes come out.
totalnerduk

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« Reply #5 on: 08-08-2009 18:31 »

That sort of attitude probably helps to explain why you only have three or four active members. Why set up an entirely new wiki when you can join an older more established community that already has the support of PEEL?
Gorky

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« Reply #6 on: 08-08-2009 18:36 »

I agree with tnuk. While I admire your drive to up the quality of your site, I think having two competing wikis is bad for business. And, since there seems to be a consensus here at PEEL (inarguably one of the biggest concentrated groups of Futurama fans on the internet) that The Infosphere is of higher quality, Wikia merging with Svip and company makes a lot more sense.
Solar Dragon

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« Reply #7 on: 08-08-2009 20:28 »

Well, we have already had this discussion. The only way we can merge would be to copy and paste all of our content over by hand. Anyway, I didn't set it up. Someone else did and they left. it has changed hands at least twice since then. I am only an admin there, not the owner. Wikia is the owner. There are a lot of good things about Wikia as well. Every wikia wiki is a community with templates and info shared between them. There is also a spotlight system which is where people on any other wikia wiki may see your wiki if it is spotlighted. The only downside is advertisments.

Wikia is more of a community than Infosphere. We have asked twice for the Infosphere to merge with us and stop the fighting and arguing once and for all but the answer has been no. So, we just keep going.
totalnerduk

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« Reply #8 on: 08-08-2009 20:40 »

I have to say, I prefer the layout, style, content, and general feel of the Infosphere. I've encountered your wiki before, and rate it a C+. Good, but not great. The Infosphere gets a B from me, placing it above Wikipedia and Wookiepedia, and on a par with WikiPEELia.

Howver, there is no wiki deserving of an A rating. Wikis are a fundamentally flawed data collection, storage and dissemination model. The fundamental flaw is that the user base are allowed to edit them. When you allow the stupid masses that kind of power, there's bound to be a problem sooner or later.

Also, the majority of people are wrong. About most things.
Svip

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« Reply #9 on: 08-08-2009 22:20 »

Personally.  I'd avoid a merge, I'd rather have others abandon the Wikia wiki.  And perhaps leave some sort of note.

This has happened to a lot of Wikia wikis.  Like the Transformers wiki, the Homestar Runner wiki and others.

It was actually in 2008, that emigration really began at Wikia, when they announced that a new skin (Monaco) would be forced on all Wikia wikis.  This new skin was optimised for advertisement, which the former Monobook skin (that Wikipedia uses) was not.  Ads were places in the top right part of the content (a location often saved for infoboxes), between the menus on the left, on the top and on the bottom.

This resulted in a heated discussion from many Wikia communities who did not want to be part of Wikia any longer.

Wikia responded by allowing some wikis to use a modified version of the skin (with less ads) or use a completely different skin (such as the former Monobook skin, which Uncyclopedia still uses).  But only for big wikis, really, and this does not include the Futurama wiki there.

What does this moving mean?  Well, it generally means that the members leave their wiki behind, copy the content (using the Special:Export special page on MediaWiki wikis) and move onto their own hosting.  This solution is becoming increasingly popular as professional hosting is becoming cheaper and cheaper.

The case between the Infosphere and the Wikia Futurama wiki is a unique event, actually.  Usually there is only one active wiki of a popular culture wiki, commonly the former was abandoned, as Wikia does not give away its user lists and such.  They keep the content (and if they can, the domain names as well).

This usually means that there are several wikis on Wikia that have been abandoned for better locations for the fruit of content to flourish, rather than working for the man in an ad-infested environment.  Wikia thinks too much of its editors than its readers.  And at the end of the day, the purpose of a wiki is for other people to read it.  So that argument is just stupid.

As for Wikia being "more of a community" than the Infosphere seems like a claim that you just pulled out of your ass.  Yes, Wikia is bigger, but that does mean it is "more of a community".  The Infosphere's associated with other big Futurama sites, such as PEEL, the Futurama Madhouse (TLZ), The Futurama Point and Can't Get Enough Futurama, means that our "community" extends far beyond the limits of the encyclopaedia we are working on to improve.

You can keep working on your wiki, it's all right.  But you will never be as good and decent as ours.  It may not be your fault.  It's Wikia's.  You will neither have the support of the Futurama community.  You could do the fan community a favour and abandon your former wiki.

If you want your content (or some of it) sent to ours, I would gladly help.  But I cannot go for a complete merge.

But I know you do not want to pick that option.  Because so far, I have never heard an argument against the content of the Infosphere from Wikia's point of view.  Only pointless technical ones, which we have overcome with our new server.

On a positive remark, our donation campaign ends today, as we got the last donation of the 500!
totalnerduk

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« Reply #10 on: 08-08-2009 22:47 »

Their content isn't brilliant, svip. If they won't share, it's no great loss to the Infosphere.
Quolnok

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« Reply #11 on: 08-09-2009 09:44 »

Personally, I'm not even sure if we really want most of their members at the Infosphere. Some, maybe, but we've had bad experiences with some of those guys in the past.
Solar Dragon

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« Reply #12 on: 08-09-2009 11:39 »

I know what you are on about Svip. I will share this page around the other major members of my wiki to see what they think about it.

And totalnerduk, I know our content isn't brilliant but we are really trying hard and expanding. Quolnok, I'm sorry that you had some bad experiences with members in the past, but the current team isn't like that. I would personally like to merge. I like your skin and the fact that you are teamed up with other websites (sorry about my previous comment about not being a big community, I was wrong). There is a lot I like about your wiki and many other members (past and present) like about it, including content. This is why many old members stole content from your wiki. We have either totally reworded that or deleted it by the way.

Well, I would love a merge. I would personally move over to the Infosphere if i didn't think that I would be slagged off for being a 'wikia scum' or something like that. And I would only move if the other members would move too. I have grown used to wikia and it will be hard for me to leave but I could do it if I thought it would make everything better. Which it would do. I would still be a part of wikia though as i am an admin on many other wikia wikis, all but three I have been a part of I have been an admin on, but I will really try my hardest for my wiki, whichever one I will be part of, either the wikia one or Infosphere.

We definately do not need all this fighting, especially by next year when all the new episodes come out. That will be the hardest time.

Also, I don't see why so many members of the Infosphere hate us. If I knew this, I would try to stop that hate.
Svip

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« Reply #13 on: 08-09-2009 12:18 »

Technically, I do not hate any of you.  Hate is such a strong word in my mind.  But it is actually not dislike either.

I dislike Wikia a lot.  Not its members, but Wikia itself.  The problem with some of its members, is that they embrace some of the tactics that I find questionable.

If you simply did just start doing content on our wiki, we would welcome you regardless.  I cannot why not.
Solar Dragon

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« Reply #14 on: 08-09-2009 12:26 »

Yeah, I would like to do that. The problem is that I do not simply want to abandon my fellow editors or my position on the wiki. I have worked hard on it and to get to the respected stage that I am in. To move like that would mean that I have to start at the bottom again.

I will wait to see what the other members think about it first before I go promising anything.
Solar Dragon

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« Reply #15 on: 08-10-2009 11:18 »

Sorry but Joey has declined and said that you are just trying to stop us getting good. Since he has said no, so will I.

Anyway, yesterday, I just couldn't bring myself to edit on your wiki. I just couldn't do it.
Svip

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« Reply #16 on: 08-10-2009 11:21 »

Whatever.  It just seems like a waste of your effort and time to edit a wiki that won't ever get the general support of the Futurama community as well as the show runners.

Perhaps you work on a wiki for a different show.
Freako

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« Reply #17 on: 08-10-2009 14:13 »

Sorry but Joey has declined and said that you are just trying to stop us getting good. Since he has said no, so will I.

Anyway, yesterday, I just couldn't bring myself to edit on your wiki. I just couldn't do it.

Give up while you're behind.
Solar Dragon

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« Reply #18 on: 08-10-2009 14:20 »

One month, we created 100 articles. Just in that month. We will keep going. No giving up. We will overtake you eventully. We are determined to get better.
Svip

Space Pope
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« Reply #19 on: 08-10-2009 15:12 »

One month, we created 100 articles. Just in that month. We will keep going. No giving up. We will overtake you eventully. We are determined to get better.

You will get better.

But you won't overtake us.

While your spirit can be somewhat admired, it is so sad that you are so committed to a cause that is failed prior to its beginning.

I am suggesting doing something else for your own sake.  Not ours.

We... don't really care, as we will remain better.  Also, it is not as much articles that count, it is quality that counts.  Yet, we beat you in both areas.
Freako

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« Reply #20 on: 08-10-2009 15:13 »

One month, we created 100 articles. Just in that month. We will keep going. No giving up. We will overtake you eventully. We are determined to get better.

Quantity has nothing to do with quality, which your wiki severely lacks.
totalnerduk

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« Reply #21 on: 08-10-2009 17:07 »

One month, we created 100 articles. Just in that month. We will keep going. No giving up. We will overtake you eventully. We are determined to get better.
Sorry but Joey has declined and said that you are just trying to stop us getting good.

Wow. Such devotion to failure. Such paranoia. Listen, your wiki is inferior in qulity, layout, style, and even in the type of wiki software that it runs on. Your wiki is a failed project as it stands. You've been offered the chance to join a better one and you suspect that there's an ulterior motive?

You've got something wrong with you.

Personally, I have become fed up with all wiki-type projects. I no longer contribute to any of them on the principle that they're all flawed. But the Infosphere is as close as you'll get to a wiki that has some value left in it. WikiPEELia, too.If I ever go back to wiki-ing, those two will be the ones I go back to.

I probably will at some point as well. My fed-upness tends to be transitory at best. But that's not the point. The point id that your wiki is of the type that led to my disillusionment with all things wiki, and this mindless devotion to the project seems to be one of the factors here.

Move on. I don't suggest that you join the INfosphere, as I've no desire to see it go downhill, but you should certainly get a different Futurama website project.

I suggest flash games. A TD game would be neat.

One month, we created 100 articles. Just in that month. We will keep going. No giving up. We will overtake you eventully. We are determined to get better.
Quantity has nothing to do with quality, which your wiki severely lacks.

Agreed.
Yeah, I would like to do that. The problem is that I do not simply want to abandon my fellow editors or my position on the wiki. I have worked hard on it and to get to the respected stage that I am in. To move like that would mean that I have to start at the bottom again.

One final work of advice. You are at the top of your wiki. But your wiki is squarely down at the bottom of the pile. You're at the top of... well, you're at the top of nothing.
Solar Dragon

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« Reply #22 on: 08-10-2009 18:10 »

OK. I have decided that I am going to try with every member on the wiki to outdo you. I will never join you properly. And if I do, it will be as a vandal. I have never vandalised a wiki before as well, that will be my first time. But, I won't vandalise unless you make me even more angry.

Don't take this out on my wiki, take it out on me. I hope that you never join us in any kind if merge. If that happens, then I will leave the wiki for good.
Bend-err

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« Reply #23 on: 08-10-2009 18:19 »

Svip

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« Reply #24 on: 08-10-2009 18:41 »

OK. I have decided that I am going to try with every member on the wiki to outdo you. I will never join you properly. And if I do, it will be as a vandal. I have never vandalised a wiki before as well, that will be my first time. But, I won't vandalise unless you make me even more angry.

Don't take this out on my wiki, take it out on me. I hope that you never join us in any kind if merge. If that happens, then I will leave the wiki for good.

Damn, I had to laugh right there.  I am not going to say "bring it on", because I see no point in doing so.

If you want a "fight", sure, go ahead.  Make yourself look ridiculous.  Thanks for the warning about the vandalism.  MediaWiki does have the tools to deal with such.  And I think we have had worst vandals in the past.

By the way, since the merge is never gonna happen, you probably should leave the wiki forever.  I am sure there are other sites where you would actually do something useful.
Ellipses485
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« Reply #25 on: 08-10-2009 20:02 »

I'm hesitant to make any comment here, as I am another user at the Wikia Futurama Wiki, but maybe I can try and calm down the situation a bit here (and if not, it doesn't look like I can make it any worse can I?).

I think it's safe to say that a merge is never going to happen at this point (though if anyone actually thought that it would, they were probably deluding themselves). If it was to happen, it would probably involve moving some of our content to the Infosphere. I'm not going to even try and make any claims that wikia's format and business practices are superior, because they that is something I can't even convince myself of. What content of ours would be considered superior to the Infosphere's would certainly be disputed and it's hard to see that happening at all.

This then leads to the second possibility of a "merge", which would be the active members of the Wikia wiki joining the community at Infosphere (and contrary to your preconceived notions, we're not all that bad). But this again would lead to our abandoning of the content we've spent a great deal of time on. This is I something that I assure you I wouldn't be apposed to doing, but it would mean that the site would be left essentially in the same condition that it is now. If we learn anything from the past reincarnations of the Futurama Wiki on Wikia, it is that somewhere down the line, someone is going to pick it up and try and get it going again, which is probably going to put it in the same position that it was in before the current community of users showed up; questionable content and widespread plagiarism.

So, in all likelihood, I'm going to stay at the Wikia Futurama Wiki (flawed starting point and all), to ensure that at least it is developed without stealing from the Infosphere or Wikipedia and for my own satisfaction. I hesitate to speak for the whole wiki, but I think we all are there to build a good wiki out of what was incomplete, poorly written, and conflicted.

I think that's the end of my statement, and I hope the situation is less confrontational now. Obviously you will now take my thoughts above, pick them apart, and tell me how stupid I am and that I should not go on living due to my inability to be as amazing as you guys at the Infosphere, but I just thought another perspective from the Wikia wiki would be welcome. Solar Dragon has, I think, made some questionable statements in the heat of the argument, and I would hope you don't judge us all on those momentary indiscretions.

Finally, I just wanted to say that even though I am a contributor to the Wikia wiki, and will likely stay there for the reasons above, I do have every respect for you Infosphere editors, and I certainly hope you don't actually consider us at war (yeah, we're so inferior in quality that we don't even count, I get it), and I really do wish you the best.
Svip

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« Reply #26 on: 08-10-2009 20:10 »

I can understand doing it for your own personal liking.  That's fair enough.

For the record, I never considered all of you bad, Solar Dragon, however, hasn't already been that ... what you say, helping?  Whatever.  And I do not consider a "war" going on, that seems like something Solar Dragon is doing.

We are not creating articles "on spree" to win some sort of battle, if we are creating many articles at once, it is purely to improve the wiki.

I admire your spirit, Ellipses, and am slightly sadden that you are not with our team.  But I guess you can't have all the people.

So good luck.
Freako

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« Reply #27 on: 08-11-2009 01:21 »

OK. I have decided that I am going to try with every member on the wiki to outdo you. I will never join you properly. And if I do, it will be as a vandal. I have never vandalised a wiki before as well, that will be my first time. But, I won't vandalise unless you make me even more angry.

Don't take this out on my wiki, take it out on me. I hope that you never join us in any kind if merge. If that happens, then I will leave the wiki for good.

I think my lungs just exploded I was laughing so hard!
Nobody would react like that unless they themselves felt threatened.
Solar Dragon

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« Reply #28 on: 08-11-2009 12:34 »
« Last Edit on: 08-11-2009 12:57 »

Svip, you may never hear from me again. Starting from tomorrow, I will take a month's break from the Futurama wikia. If it works out and I don't edit or want to edit again oon my wiki, I will request for my admin rights to be removed and i will quit-for good.
Solar Dragon

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« Reply #29 on: 08-11-2009 12:54 »

OK now, Svip, the argument is against me. I have quit the wiki and requested that my admin rights be removed. Do not blame the wiki. It is my fault.
Bend-err

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #30 on: 08-11-2009 12:59 »

Svip, you may never hear from me again.
followed by a second post 20 minutes later... smooth laff
Solar Dragon

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« Reply #31 on: 08-11-2009 14:04 »

Note, the word MAY!
totalnerduk

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« Reply #32 on: 08-11-2009 14:16 »

laff Oh, too precious.

Ellipse-person, you speak sense. To a degree. Although, it'd be good to see you move over to the Infosphere and the terrible terribiaility that is wikia deleted. But that's just because Wikia is terrible.

I'm sure that we can expect Solar Dragon to crop up elsewhere in some other form though.
Morgan_G19

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« Reply #33 on: 08-12-2009 12:11 »

pfft... boys   roll eyes
Gopher

Fallback Guy
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« Reply #34 on: 08-13-2009 22:38 »

The irony of all this is that when the Infosphere was first started, there was already another futurama wiki out there. It took about 6 months for the infosphere to start beating that wiki in google search results for "futurama wiki." 1/3 of their articles were copied from wikipedia, another 1/3 were marked stub, and the final third should have been marked stub but were not. It only took about 2 months for quality and quantity of articles on the infosphere to completely overtake the previous wiki.
Ed3

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« Reply #35 on: 08-18-2009 07:59 »
« Last Edit on: 08-18-2009 08:02 »

The irony of all this is that when the Infosphere was first started, there was already another futurama wiki out there. It took about 6 months for the infosphere to start beating that wiki in google search results for "futurama wiki." 1/3 of their articles were copied from wikipedia, another 1/3 were marked stub, and the final third should have been marked stub but were not. It only took about 2 months for quality and quantity of articles on the infosphere to completely overtake the previous wiki.

I think you need to look up the definition of irony. That is not ironic, that is simply boring. Also, the wikia wiki comes before  the infosphere on a google search.
Jezzem

Urban Legend
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« Reply #36 on: 08-18-2009 08:16 »

Nobody cares, Ed3. Way to try and open up an old argument...
Taco Wiz

Delivery Boy
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« Reply #37 on: 08-31-2009 04:38 »

Two different Futurama wikis? Is there a REASON we need two?
coldangel

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #38 on: 08-31-2009 06:29 »

Is there a reason the Internet needs more than one search engine?
Taco Wiz

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« Reply #39 on: 08-31-2009 15:37 »

Nicely played.
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