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nagrub

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« on: 12-22-2003 08:51 »

Okay, okay. All you 'scan artists' out there. whats the deal with the scanning? from what i can see, it consists of having an image of futurama, tracing over it in photoshop, then matching the colours from the original... so that in the end you have an image that is virtually identical to the original, why did'nt you just look at the original in the first place!?   laff
John C
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« Reply #1 on: 12-22-2003 09:52 »

(Keep in mind I've never been able to make a scan in my life.)

Scans generally turn out a lot sharper than screengrabs. The colors are also more defined and simpler. For instance, your avatar was made from a scan. If it was from a screengrab, it would look somewhat crude.
Mercapto

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« Reply #2 on: 12-22-2003 10:49 »

I can only speak for myself, but the main reason why I'm into this scanning business I because I enjoy making scans. I also find it quite relaxing.  smile

And as John C said, scans are generally of a much higher quality than framegrabs which is especially nice if you want to use it for a wallpaper.
wu_konguk

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« Reply #3 on: 12-22-2003 10:58 »

Now this is a personal thing so if you do scans I do not intend it as an attack of any kind.

What I feel is odd is that people call it scan art. I believe that art requires abit more creativity than just tracing and recolouring. Some people do try to do interesting things with their scans but many do not.

But what the hey, if you enjoy it. Then who would care for the ramblings of crazed monkey?
Farnsworth38

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« Reply #4 on: 12-22-2003 11:42 »

I may be wrong here, but I think there is also a legal angle. Displaying a screengrab is potentially Copyright infringement; while a scan is a ‘parody’ you have created yourself (albeit by tracing).
nagrub

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« Reply #5 on: 12-22-2003 13:48 »

 
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Originally posted by wu_konguk:
Now this is a personal thing so if you do scans I do not intend it as an attack of any kind.

What I feel is odd is that people call it scan art. I believe that art requires abit more creativity than just tracing and recolouring. Some people do try to do interesting things with their scans but many do not.

But what the hey, if you enjoy it. Then who would care for the ramblings of crazed monkey?

thats what i mean! it just seems a bit strange to make an almost identical duplicate of an image that exists. I want to stress that i'm not attacking all you scan artists( some of the stuff i've seen is good, like as good as the original stuff... but then why bother, never mind...) But would you not find it more rewarding to make drawings and sketches of the charatchers? paintings, sculptures! or maybe photograpy, yes! you could dress up as the characters and take pictures of yourselfs! or, then theres performance art, you could gently pulse the lights in a room, claiming that its the light from the thrust of the planet express ship... you see, art... its not just tracing.
*The opions expressed within that post reflect the opinions of nagrub at the time of writing, and not those of Nagrub.inc

thankyou for your time.*
Teral

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« Reply #6 on: 12-22-2003 14:53 »
« Last Edit on: 12-22-2003 14:53 »

Then what about those who couldn't draw a straight line to save their lives? Much less anything resembling a Futurama character? Yes, I'm talking about myself here.    wink Besides it's not like any of the scan artists people have ever claimed their pictures are entirely original creations, or art or whatever.

Making original drawings/sketches more rewarding? Absolutely yes. Making original drawings/sketches actually feasible? Dear God, no.

As already mentioned scans are of a higher quality than framegrabs: smoother lines, no artifacting, none of that grainy look most colors have in framegrabs, etc. Another advantage is the ability to resize them as needed, still with no loss of quality. Handy for avatars, wallpapers or even if you want a 2m*1m poster of Leela in her opera dress.    wink
ActionLaPointe

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« Reply #7 on: 12-22-2003 17:52 »

somebody want to link to a scan tutorial for me...or give me some insight...lost in photoshop am i. thanks.
JavieR

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« Reply #8 on: 12-22-2003 17:56 »

Scans are useful. You can create website layouts, are enormous help when you create icons and cursors, avatars, and wallpapers.
aslate

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« Reply #9 on: 12-22-2003 18:53 »

JavieR's right, scans are really useful in making websites. Without them sites would look really nasty and very un-professional (well, the decent ones).
John C
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« Reply #10 on: 12-22-2003 18:57 »
« Last Edit on: 12-22-2003 18:57 »

LaPointe: The Fry Hole has a good scan tutorial, under, uh... tutorials.

Edit: Well, never mind.

All in all, I'd say scans basically make it easier to have avatars, wallpapers, images for websites, or even a picture of one character from a certain scene. Sounds nice to me.
aslate

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« Reply #11 on: 12-22-2003 19:03 »

I was going to link to our tutorial, but it is a Paint Shop Pro tutorial. I prefer this program and if you can get it then fine. However many use Photoshop too, i just got lost in it too  smile
Nefnar

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« Reply #12 on: 12-22-2003 20:19 »

My scans are totally made on Gimp (program in linux)
and it's very similar to Photoshop, in my art thread I posted my latest scan for those who want to check it.
I liek doing scans, I've never said they need a lot of talent.
The thing is that you can play with colours and stuff when the outlines are already done.
and it's fun!!
Bofr@

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« Reply #13 on: 12-22-2003 20:40 »

Sure,
fo shizzle
and you can do crazy stuff with them in flash,
really crazy stuff, you can't imagine,
so don't try ;-)
winna

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« Reply #14 on: 12-22-2003 22:58 »

I'm agreeing with Javier and aslate... scans actually serve a purpose other than "scanart"... that's mostly the only reason I ever make scans of stuff is to use on a website, or a program or something of that type of origin... including flash  wink
nagrub

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« Reply #15 on: 12-23-2003 05:13 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Bofr@:
Sure,
fo shizzle
and you can do crazy stuff with them in flash,
really crazy stuff, you can't imagine,
so don't try ;-)


that shiat is so crazeh!  i used to love making flash movies, that was before i had to fromat my hard drive tho, and with it i lots my entirely legitimate copy of flash *cough cough* theres a new flash out now i think, flash 6. Anyone got it or used it, any new features?
Bofr@

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« Reply #16 on: 12-23-2003 08:45 »

Flash MX is out,
but there is allready a alpha in the internet
of the upcoming new flash, which would be FLash 7
and i stay with Flash5 because i has so many features i don't know and which i have to find out before i go to flash Mx or 7

Bofr@
nagrub

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« Reply #17 on: 12-23-2003 14:23 »

yeah, i was always crap in flash. i never got into action scripting or loading bars or interactive stuff at all. But i could make some kickass graphics... well, i thought they were cool.
Bofr@

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« Reply #18 on: 12-23-2003 18:22 »

then show them in vektorgraphics to me please
alexvilagosh

Goose Patrol
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« Reply #19 on: 12-24-2003 16:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
Making original drawings/sketches more rewarding? Absolutely yes. Making original drawings/sketches actually feasible? Dear God, no.
It is the same with me. I can't draw to save myself. But at least with scans (although I haven't done any for a while) I make do high quality art.
Lee Roberts

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« Reply #20 on: 12-26-2003 12:52 »
« Last Edit on: 12-26-2003 12:52 »

nagrub we scan, cos we care...   smile But you seem cool with it now. Might i also add, that your avatar was made from a scan. So really, if we didn't have scans we wouldn't have avatars!  cry Anyway again:

We Scan Cos We Care   wink
 
Xmpel

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« Reply #21 on: 12-28-2003 05:29 »
« Last Edit on: 12-28-2003 05:29 »

Scan. Skillfully made by Mercapto:


Framegrab. Super-skillfully grabbed by me, Otis P Jivefunk:


Wich one do you like best ?
winna

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« Reply #22 on: 12-28-2003 08:36 »

That's not a particularly bad framegrab...
FemJesse

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« Reply #23 on: 12-30-2003 16:00 »

I've seen worse.  Let the scan people scan.  It eliminates the need for originality and artistic license...

Pikka Bird

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« Reply #24 on: 12-30-2003 17:22 »
« Last Edit on: 12-30-2003 17:22 »

Xmpel: Good example (almost a pun). Check out the shading on esp. the pants, which gives the scan a more "roomy" feel than a framegrab. And the razorsharp edges and the size. That's what scans are for. And to use for processing into other stuff, as stated before.
It reminds me of the diuscussion/near-fistfight from Chasing Amy. I guess the scan people and I are on Banky's side...

[EDIT]But even though we sometimes see MARVELLOUS shading, I still admire the craft of an adept "traditional" (canvas+paintbrush/pen, ink+paper/etc.) artist quite a lot more.[/EDIT]
Xmpel

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« Reply #25 on: 12-30-2003 18:34 »

Yes I agree. I agreed when they posted everything you just summarized.
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #26 on: 12-30-2003 19:52 »

HA! I didn't summarize in my edit...
Anarchist

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« Reply #27 on: 12-30-2003 20:36 »

I used to do a bit of scanning, maybe I'll do some more if I feel like it again. It's just something to do, and I've never see any "scan artist" claim that their work is original. To me, "scan art" is just a lablel, and I don't care what the label for what I do happens to be. Call it art, call it masturbation - it's all the same to me. "A rose by any other name," and all that.
What's my point? It's just a hobby. If you happen to enjoy looking at people's scans, go ahead. If you don't go for that sort of thing, nobody's asking you to.
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #28 on: 12-30-2003 21:08 »

And the word 'art' has been slapped on almost anything. Even the slightest trace of texture on any surface is called 'artwork'. If you see some crap stripe on a CD sleeve, you'll always find some 'artwork by:' credit inside, even if it's on a crummy comp with a modified standard clipart pic on it. So 'Art' is basically everything which has been paintet/drawn/edited upon... apparently.
bender+fry

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« Reply #29 on: 12-30-2003 21:31 »

art now is anything that you sell that has a picture on it. To me, those crappy paintings that do not look like anything are defintly not art, and I'm sure that a lot of people agree.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #30 on: 01-01-2004 16:55 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Xmpel:
Framegrab. Super-skillfully grabbed by me, Otis P Jivefunk:

Who?
Xmpel

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« Reply #31 on: 01-01-2004 16:58 »

This stylish avatar.
Xmpel

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« Reply #32 on: 01-09-2004 08:35 »

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