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Futurama_Hil
Urban Legend
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Pfft, tracing is art! Art: A thought- provoking creation through a painting, music, or writing. << Thus, it is art technically.
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Jeremy
Urban Legend
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Originally posted by Margarita: i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art. art is something you do with your hand, not mouse. (and dont tell me you do it with a hand *and* mouse. no mice should be involved!1 ) Someone's jealous! "Eh?" You. "Eh?" Of me. "Eh?" Of my skills with the mouse, son. "Eh?" Pfft.
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LAN.gnome
Urban Legend
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Originally posted by Margarita: i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art. art is something you do with your hand, not mouse. (and dont tell me you do it with a hand *and* mouse. no mice should be involved!1 ) What if you use a tablet PC, like so many serious artists do? The guy who draws Penny Arcade does that. There's no mouse involved, so one of your criterion is met. Would you still reject a piece of work such as this as art, even if it was made in the traditional method, with a stylus and everything, but was just drawn into a computer's memory instead of paper? That's incredibly, stupifyingly narrow-minded. In your eyes, does the involvement of complex machinery prevent work from being "art"? In that case, any photography done with a digital camera, or manipulated with a computer, cannot be art. You're creating a definition of art that's dependent on the tools used to create it. By my logic, that's flawed. It's like saying paintings done in watercolors are art, but charcoal works are not. The involvement of a computer does not alter the core of what is being done: the creation of an original (see? I'm willing to concede the scanning thing) work meant to convey an idea, emotion, or anything else the creator can manage. And just for a little backup from the people who actually put this stuff down in books: "Art", as according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary: the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced To sum it up: you can't eliminate every digitally-created work from the realm of art. There's some give and take when it comes to scanning and the like, but don't be so dramatic when you're trying to prove a point.
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Thoth
Bending Unit
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Originally posted by David A: I wouldn't go that far; if it's a form of creative expression then it's artwork.
I agree, but i don't know if i could call scan-art, art. Some maby, but how much creative expression is involved when you follow some lines with a pointer rather than create something, depends i guess,but it seems pretty rare. But scan art like PaulFSAC does migh as well be classified as art.
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wu_konguk
Urban Legend
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As much as I am sure that Hill probably loves all this attention in this thread. We do have a whole thread dedicated to discussing if scan art is art. http://www.peelified.com/cgi-bin/Futurama/4-000661-1/ Besides if you enjoy doing it then you should not really care what others think. Oh and as for pure computer work not being art pleasestop by www.deviantart.com most of the art on there is completely computer done (some with tablets and some with a mouse)
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Margarita
Space Pope
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Originally posted by LAN.gnome: Originally posted by Margarita: i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art. art is something you do with your hand, not mouse. (and dont tell me you do it with a hand *and* mouse. no mice should be involved!1 )
What if you use a tablet PC, like so many serious artists do? The guy who draws Penny Arcade does that. There's no mouse involved, so one of your criterion is met. Would you still reject a piece of work such as this as art, even if it was made in the traditional method, with a stylus and everything, but was just drawn into a computer's memory instead of paper? That's incredibly, stupifyingly narrow-minded.
In your eyes, does the involvement of complex machinery prevent work from being "art"? In that case, any photography done with a digital camera, or manipulated with a computer, cannot be art.
You're creating a definition of art that's dependent on the tools used to create it. By my logic, that's flawed. It's like saying paintings done in watercolors are art, but charcoal works are not. The involvement of a computer does not alter the core of what is being done: the creation of an original (see? I'm willing to concede the scanning thing) work meant to convey an idea, emotion, or anything else the creator can manage.
And just for a little backup from the people who actually put this stuff down in books:
quote: "Art", as according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary: the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced
To sum it up: you can't eliminate every digitally-created work from the realm of art. There's some give and take when it comes to scanning and the like, but don't be so dramatic when you're trying to prove a point
i think you should take some calm pills. 1 - that is what _i_ think, try to read better. 2 - my point was that many people call themselves artists when they can only do scans or just computer work. i'm not picking on anyone directly, but it's just a tendency i noticed. if for you it sounds just simple, get someone more smart to translate my posts for you. now go do something less pathetic than arguing with someone's opinion. --- sorry for spamming you thread, Hil. your scans are good, keep doing it.
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wu_konguk
Urban Legend
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Originally posted by Margarita: now go do something less pathetic than arguing with someone's opinion.
:re reads sentence: ...........What? What's wrong with arguing with someones opinon? Sometimes peoples opnions are way otu and you have to try and show them they are wrong (would you not argue if some one said "In my opnion all women are idiots."?) Perhaps it should not be called arguing but putting forward alternative views. That's just my opnion
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kip
Professor
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« Reply #255 on: 01-09-2004 13:35 »
« Last Edit on: 01-09-2004 13:35 »
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There's no point in arguing with somebody's opinion, because it's their opinion. If they try and enforce it onto you, like those religious people who go door to door trying to convert you... it's a different story. At the end of the day, my opinion is the right one anyway, so ya'll should just bow down and obey me. And all hot chicks should be naked. Except during winter, and in places where it's too cold. But definitely where there is mud... ohhhhh yeah. My opinion on scaning is that it takes skill, but I wouldn't call it an art. It's tracing, and kudos to the people who can do it well. But I believe that art is creating a personalised and original visual or audio representation of something a person sees, feels or experiences - rather than reproduction of something else. Oh dear... I just know Lan is gonna ravage me for this post now dont! I'm too fragile
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LAN.gnome
Urban Legend
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« Reply #256 on: 01-09-2004 19:25 »
« Last Edit on: 01-10-2004 00:00 »
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Originally posted by Margarita: i think you should take some calm pills. I'm prefectly calm, and I think my post reflects that. I didn't curse and swear up a storm like some people would. I didn't even use a single exclamation point. Originally posted by Margarita: 1 - that is what _i_ think, try to read better. Obviously it's what you think; you posted it. And I think that what you think is wrong. I'm not trying to convert you or anything, I just don't get your opinion. Originally posted by Margarita: 2 - my point was that many people call themselves artists when they can only do scans or just computer work. Again, I agree with you concerning scans. That's not the issue. But what's your beef against people who work with just computers? Originally posted by Margarita: now go do something less pathetic than arguing with someone's opinion. OPINION: Originally posted by Futurama_Hil First of all, there's a difference between every art. Scans are a form of art ARGUEMENT: Originally posted by Margarita: i wouldn't call scans a form of art...it's just tracing TO: Kettle FROM: Pot RE: You are black. Originally posted by kip: Oh dear... I just know Lan is gonna ravage me for this post now dont! I'm too fragile Have no fear; I agree with you. My post was merely a response to Marg's declaration that any visual work created on a computer is not art.
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Nefnar
Professor
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That's very cool, F_Hill, I like how you draw your ART nice shading's and backgrounds.
Anyway, I agree with those who say that computer art is actually art and not a random movement of the mouse.
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Nefnar
Professor
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The effects in the tree looks like shades.
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Futurama_Hil
Urban Legend
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Long time no see. I’m quite rusty, but here’s a scan I did out of boredom: Don’t expect me to be back into scans/art, however. Especially with school starting up again in a few days, I very doubt you’ll see stuff from me. But I’m not “retired” or anything. Just busy. If you’re lucky I might post old stuff I haven't yet. Also it doesn’t help that for some reason for PS7’s fill bucket is missing on the tool bar. I think it was replaced by something on there, but I haven’t used it in so long I don’t know which. Any help would be cool.
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ooy
Professor
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ROBO PUPPPY! Cool work Hil
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Dogbert
Poppler
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every time i see that robo pooch i am filled with rage. If bender loved Seymore as much as fry he would have lived.
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