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Margarita

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« Reply #240 on: 01-08-2004 15:41 »

i wouldn't call scans a form of art...it's just tracing
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #241 on: 01-08-2004 15:46 »

Pfft, tracing is art!  tongue

Art: A thought- provoking creation through a painting, music, or writing. << Thus, it is art technically.  wink
David A

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« Reply #242 on: 01-08-2004 18:06 »

How exactly does underlining the word painting prove your point about tracing being art?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that scans aren't art.  I just don't follow your logic here.
Futurama_Hil

Urban Legend
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« Reply #243 on: 01-08-2004 22:25 »

I'm trying to put emphasis on it- a scan is technically a painting.  tongue
David A

Urban Legend
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« Reply #244 on: 01-08-2004 22:29 »

 
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Originally posted by Futurama_Hil:
a scan is technically a painting.   tongue

Um, no it isn't.  There isn't any paint involved.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
Futurama_Hil

Urban Legend
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« Reply #245 on: 01-08-2004 22:31 »
« Last Edit on: 01-08-2004 22:31 »

Drawing= painting. Also, in Photoshop, I use the "paint" tool. It's painting, just done on the computer.
David A

Urban Legend
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« Reply #246 on: 01-08-2004 22:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Futurama_Hil:
Drawing= painting.

No.  No, it doesn't.  Remind me to get you a dictionary for your birthday.   tongue

 
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Also, in Photoshop, I use the "paint" tool. It's painting, just done on the computer.

Just because it's called that, it doesn't mean that the finished product is a painting.  I suppose we're getting into semantics here, but I wouldn't call artwork done on a computer painting.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
Margarita

Space Pope
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« Reply #247 on: 01-08-2004 23:10 »

i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art. art is something you do with your hand, not mouse. (and dont tell me you do it with a hand *and* mouse. no mice should be involved!1  wink)
David A

Urban Legend
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« Reply #248 on: 01-08-2004 23:43 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art.

I wouldn't go that far; if it's a form of creative expression then it's artwork.

But that doesn't make it a painting.  Paintings are made of paint, not pixels on a computer screen.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
Jeremy

Urban Legend
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« Reply #249 on: 01-09-2004 04:58 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art. art is something you do with your hand, not mouse. (and dont tell me you do it with a hand *and* mouse. no mice should be involved!1   wink)

Someone's jealous!
"Eh?"
You.
"Eh?"
Of me.
"Eh?"
Of my skills with the mouse, son.
"Eh?"
Pfft.
LAN.gnome

Urban Legend
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« Reply #250 on: 01-09-2004 06:08 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art. art is something you do with your hand, not mouse. (and dont tell me you do it with a hand *and* mouse. no mice should be involved!1   wink)

What if you use a tablet PC, like so many serious artists do? The guy who draws Penny Arcade does that. There's no mouse involved, so one of your criterion is met. Would you still reject a piece of work such as this as art, even if it was made in the traditional method, with a stylus and everything, but was just drawn into a computer's memory instead of paper? That's incredibly, stupifyingly narrow-minded.

In your eyes, does the involvement of complex machinery prevent work from being "art"? In that case, any photography done with a digital camera, or manipulated with a computer, cannot be art.

You're creating a definition of art that's dependent on the tools used to create it. By my logic, that's flawed. It's like saying paintings done in watercolors are art, but charcoal works are not. The involvement of a computer does not alter the core of what is being done: the creation of an original (see? I'm willing to concede the scanning thing) work meant to convey an idea, emotion, or anything else the creator can manage.

And just for a little backup from the people who actually put this stuff down in books:

 
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"Art", as according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced

To sum it up: you can't eliminate every digitally-created work from the realm of art. There's some give and take when it comes to scanning and the like, but don't be so dramatic when you're trying to prove a point.
Thoth

Bending Unit
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« Reply #251 on: 01-09-2004 06:22 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
 I wouldn't go that far; if it's a form of creative expression then it's artwork.

I agree, but i don't know if i could call scan-art, art.
Some maby, but how much creative expression is involved when you follow some lines with a pointer rather than create something, depends i guess,but it seems pretty rare.
But scan art like PaulFSAC does migh as well be classified as art.

wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #252 on: 01-09-2004 08:02 »

As much as I am sure that Hill probably loves all this attention in this thread. We do have a whole thread dedicated to discussing if scan art is art. http://www.peelified.com/cgi-bin/Futurama/4-000661-1/

Besides if you enjoy doing it then you should not really care what others think.
Oh and as for pure computer work not being art pleasestop by www.deviantart.com  most of the art on there is completely computer done (some with tablets and some with a mouse)
Margarita

Space Pope
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« Reply #253 on: 01-09-2004 11:58 »

 
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Originally posted by LAN.gnome:
 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i wouldnt call _any_ computer drawing an art. art is something you do with your hand, not mouse. (and dont tell me you do it with a hand *and* mouse. no mice should be involved!1  wink)

What if you use a tablet PC, like so many serious artists do? The guy who draws Penny Arcade does that. There's no mouse involved, so one of your criterion is met. Would you still reject a piece of work such as this as art, even if it was made in the traditional method, with a stylus and everything, but was just drawn into a computer's memory instead of paper? That's incredibly, stupifyingly narrow-minded.

In your eyes, does the involvement of complex machinery prevent work from being "art"? In that case, any photography done with a digital camera, or manipulated with a computer, cannot be art.

You're creating a definition of art that's dependent on the tools used to create it. By my logic, that's flawed. It's like saying paintings done in watercolors are art, but charcoal works are not. The involvement of a computer does not alter the core of what is being done: the creation of an original (see? I'm willing to concede the scanning thing) work meant to convey an idea, emotion, or anything else the creator can manage.

And just for a little backup from the people who actually put this stuff down in books:

quote:
"Art", as according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced

To sum it up: you can't eliminate every digitally-created work from the realm of art. There's some give and take when it comes to scanning and the like, but don't be so dramatic when you're trying to prove a point

i think you should take some calm pills.

1 - that is what _i_ think, try to read better.

2 - my point was that many people call themselves artists when they can only do scans or just computer work. i'm not picking on anyone directly, but it's just a tendency i noticed. if for you it sounds just simple, get someone more smart to translate my posts for you.

now go do something less pathetic than arguing with someone's opinion.

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sorry for spamming you thread, Hil. your scans are good, keep doing it.  smile
wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #254 on: 01-09-2004 12:21 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
 now go do something less pathetic than arguing with someone's opinion.


:re reads sentence: ...........What?
What's wrong with arguing with someones opinon? Sometimes peoples opnions are way otu and you have to try and show them they are wrong (would you not argue if some one said "In my opnion all women are idiots."?)
Perhaps it should not be called arguing but putting forward alternative views.

That's just my opnion   smile
kip
Professor
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« Reply #255 on: 01-09-2004 13:35 »
« Last Edit on: 01-09-2004 13:35 »

There's no point in arguing with somebody's opinion, because it's their opinion. If they try and enforce it onto you, like those religious people who go door to door trying to convert you... it's a different story.

At the end of the day, my opinion is the right one anyway, so ya'll should just bow down and obey me. And all hot chicks should be naked. Except during winter, and in places where it's too cold. But definitely where there is mud... ohhhhh yeah.

My opinion on scaning is that it takes skill, but I wouldn't call it an art. It's tracing, and kudos to the people who can do it well. But I believe that art is creating a personalised and original visual or audio representation of something a person sees, feels or experiences - rather than reproduction of something else. Oh dear... I just know Lan is gonna ravage me for this post now    cry dont! I'm too fragile    frown

   laff    wink
LAN.gnome

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« Reply #256 on: 01-09-2004 19:25 »
« Last Edit on: 01-10-2004 00:00 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i think you should take some calm pills.

I'm prefectly calm, and I think my post reflects that. I didn't curse and swear up a storm like some people would. I didn't even use a single exclamation point.

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
1 - that is what _i_ think, try to read better.

Obviously it's what you think; you posted it. And I think that what you think is wrong. I'm not trying to convert you or anything, I just don't get your opinion.

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
2 - my point was that many people call themselves artists when they can only do scans or just computer work.

Again, I agree with you concerning scans. That's not the issue. But what's your beef against people who work with just computers?

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
now go do something less pathetic than arguing with someone's opinion.

OPINION:

 
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Originally posted by Futurama_Hil
First of all, there's a difference between every art. Scans are a form of art

ARGUEMENT:

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i wouldn't call scans a form of art...it's just tracing

TO: Kettle
FROM: Pot
RE: You are black.


 
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Originally posted by kip:
Oh dear... I just know Lan is gonna ravage me for this post now      cry dont! I'm too fragile      frown

Have no fear; I agree with you.   smile My post was merely a response to Marg's declaration that any visual work created on a computer is not art.
David A

Urban Legend
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« Reply #257 on: 01-09-2004 20:10 »

 
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Originally posted by LAN.gnome:
TO: Kettle
FROM: Pot
RE: You are black.

 laff  Once again, you've managed put a smile on my face.  I salute you, sir.

Wu is right, though.  We shouldn't be spamming up poor Hilly's thread arguing about whether or not scans are art; we already have a thread for that.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
Futurama_Hil

Urban Legend
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« Reply #258 on: 01-09-2004 23:43 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Wu is right, though.  We shouldn't be spamming up poor Hilly's thread arguing about whether or not scans are art; we already have a thread for that.

Do I look like I mind?  tongue pfft, compared to Jesse's thread this is nothing

Anyway, more arts eventually. Deny it or not, a scan is art to some extent.  wink
wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #259 on: 01-10-2004 09:59 »

Oh I do love it when peopel say I'm right (it is a rare occurance after all).
Besides screw the semantics, can't wait for more stuff.
Futurama_Hil

Urban Legend
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« Reply #260 on: 01-12-2004 15:51 »
« Last Edit on: 01-12-2004 15:51 »



an older pic from 'round november. Talk about cheap effects, eh?  tongue
John C
Starship Captain
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« Reply #261 on: 01-12-2004 16:58 »

Looks nice, but uh... What's happening with Fry? He got tangled up in spare rope?  tongue
Futurama_Hil

Urban Legend
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« Reply #262 on: 01-12-2004 18:16 »

affirmative.  tongue
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #263 on: 01-12-2004 18:24 »

awww he built her a hammock! and she's evidently ignoring him. The sad thing is i can identify both eps those poses came from.
Futurama_Hil

Urban Legend
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« Reply #264 on: 01-12-2004 18:28 »
« Last Edit on: 01-14-2004 00:00 »

meh, i'm not here to make you guess hard.   wink I'm here to make you work a slave, dammit!
Nefnar

Professor
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« Reply #265 on: 01-12-2004 19:31 »

That's very cool, F_Hill, I like how you draw your ART
nice shading's and backgrounds.

Anyway, I agree with those who say that computer art is actually art and not a random movement of the mouse.
Otis P Jivefunk

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #266 on: 01-13-2004 18:18 »

Clool new art, I like your loose approach  cool
Thoth

Bending Unit
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« Reply #267 on: 01-14-2004 12:42 »

WHAT SHADINGS!?
anyway, cute pic  smile
Nefnar

Professor
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« Reply #268 on: 01-14-2004 15:15 »

The effects in the tree looks like shades.
Thoth

Bending Unit
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« Reply #269 on: 01-15-2004 01:13 »

I figured they where color differations cus if they where shades they would indicate that it the tree was shaped more like a rock, a flat rock.
Futurama_Hil

Urban Legend
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« Reply #270 on: 09-03-2004 22:25 »

Long time no see. Iím quite rusty, but hereís a scan I did out of boredom:



Donít expect me to be back into scans/art, however. Especially with school starting up again in a few days, I very doubt youíll see stuff from me.  But Iím not ďretiredĒ or anything. Just busy.  wink If youíre lucky I might post old stuff I haven't yet.

Also it doesnít help that for some reason for PS7ís fill bucket is missing on the tool bar. I think it was replaced by something on there, but I havenít used it in so long I donít know which. Any help would be cool.
leelaholic

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #271 on: 09-03-2004 23:05 »

Hey, nice. You did the visor perfectly.  smile
Philp_J_Fry

Starship Captain
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« Reply #272 on: 09-03-2004 23:25 »

heh,awesome
ooy

Professor
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« Reply #273 on: 09-04-2004 22:16 »

ROBO PUPPPY! Cool work Hil
LoveForFry

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #274 on: 09-05-2004 13:55 »

great scans futurama_hil!
Dogbert

Poppler
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« Reply #275 on: 03-23-2006 23:00 »

every time i see that robo pooch i am filled with rage.  If bender loved Seymore as much as fry he would have lived.
soylentOrange

Urban Legend
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« Reply #276 on: 03-23-2006 23:31 »

yet another thread dredged up from the mirk of PEEL obscurity for no apparent reason...
Benders_Fan

Urban Legend
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« Reply #277 on: 03-24-2006 13:30 »

^yep.

I love your art by the way.  big grin
Kagome

Bending Unit
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« Reply #278 on: 04-27-2006 13:18 »

Cool pics there  smile  8.5/10
MarriedtoAmy

Delivery Boy
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« Reply #279 on: 05-25-2006 15:12 »

Yeah so you do art go do a mini series or something  sleep
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