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Kryten

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« Reply #80 on: 05-06-2003 00:46 »

I see you've added wu_konguk to your list of authors to plagiarize.
getak2003

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« Reply #81 on: 05-06-2003 07:03 »

what? they escape from earth? THAT is plagirism to you?

His series is both incomplete, and follows a totally different plot than mine. the only thing i took from him was this:

GHT: Hmmmm....they flee from earth...that sounds like a cool theme, maybe i should have them do that in my series.

it is the same god damn thing as leela and fry falling in love, or any overly done thing like that! them escaping earth is something i found to be both adventurous and has a good possibility for shipping, so i used it. just as using a life or death situation is for them to fall in love in the first place.

you people make me sick!
Allen

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« Reply #82 on: 05-06-2003 14:04 »
« Last Edit on: 05-06-2003 14:04 »

     
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Originally posted by getak2003:
what? they escape from earth? THAT is plagirism to you?

Kryten may be refering to the reason you gave them for escaping. In Exodus and Falling Away from the World, Zapp is the reason behind their exile. Also, both fics make a provision under Branniganís law nullifying Cubert's existence. FAFtW and Exodus also kill Cubert in much the same way

His series is both incomplete, and follows a totally different plot than mine. the only thing i took from him was this:

Let me explain something here, something you don't seem to get. Plagarism is when you take any idea already used and claim it as your own. It doesn't matter if you re-word it or "jazz" it up as you like to say. I don't know what the story's current status as incomplete has to do with anything

it is the same god damn thing as leela and fry falling in love, or any overly done thing like that! them escaping earth is something i found to be both adventurous and has a good possibility for shipping, so i used it. just as using a life or death situation is for them to fall in love in the first place.

Yes, there are ideas we can't lay claim to. It's the way it happens that's original. Also you've claimed that all the fics you read have blurred, that's apparent     wink, but still no excuse.

you people make me sick!

Here's a bag. Please don't toss your cookies all over the thread!     wink

Anarchist- We're not fighting for copyright, money, or anything. Just originality. You mention that you wouldn't be angry if GHT pasted your fic into his. Maybe not, but isn't it sad that he seems to have to "borrow" his ideas from you?

You mention that as a writer, it is not our concern what he does. I beg to differ. As writers, we know how hard it is to think of good story ideas, develop them, and sit at that computer to write. We know better than the readers just what it takes to do this. We should help him improve. We can't help him though if he doesn't accept it.

I also know what we do is a legal gray area, but if we just changed the names of things, it would be an original story. That's all we borrow are names (and maybe some ideas     wink)

To Venus- Thanks. You seem to understand.      smile

To GHT: What I meant when I said stay out of the story was that I don't care for your author's notes. I really don't care that you don't think Zapp is evil. When I'm reading the story, you don't exist and your opinions don't count. Save your observations for an author's note at the end if you must have one. Otherwise, let your story speak on its own.
Anarchist

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« Reply #83 on: 05-06-2003 15:15 »

Well said, Allen, and I suppose I agree, plagiarism = lynching. I've seen his stuff, though, and although he's prone to "borrowing" ideas from everything he comes across, he has some potential as a writer. How much potential? I'm curious to find out, which is part of the reason I'm currently working with him on a rather ambitious piece.
]PaulFSAC[

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« Reply #84 on: 05-06-2003 15:20 »

I suppose to some degree all authors plagarise to a differing level.

Trying to write a totally original story is getting nigh on impossible these days, as not matter where you look the idea you had, had been done somewhere by someone else in the past.

I'll get around to finishing NC II before the end of the year .. promise.

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Allen

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« Reply #85 on: 05-06-2003 15:39 »

 
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Originally posted by ]PaulFSAC[:
I suppose to some degree all authors plagarise to a differing level.

Trying to write a totally original story is getting nigh on impossible these days, as not matter where you look the idea you had, had been done somewhere by someone else in the past.

This is true and I believe I mentioned that nothing is original anymore. There are countless body swaping stories, time travel stories, dimension hopping stories, etc but there's always someway to write it differently. Rewording something isn't how to do it though.


GHT has some great potential....for putting ripped off scenes together. big grin Seriously he could have a good story in there somewhere if all the recycled stuff wasn't in there.
]PaulFSAC[

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« Reply #86 on: 05-06-2003 15:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Allen:
 GHT has some great potential....for putting ripped off scenes together.  big grin Seriously he could have a good story in there somewhere if all the recycled stuff wasn't in there.


Wonder if he's ripped any scenes by me .. or MA by me and Andy.  Not that I care, although Andy might.
getak2003

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« Reply #87 on: 05-06-2003 17:17 »

I hate cubert, so i killed him, also zapp is not the real master mind behind this stuff at all, GEEZ! what is the one ancient evil from a whole other region of scifi did i manage to graft into this series? that is the one angle nobody has ever done? you will have to figure that out on your own or wait for part eight to come out in a few days or so.

also, ALLEN, you know what, i DONT CARE! i never cared what the hell you thought! putting in little coments here and there is what i do, and that is how i like it!

just because i had them change their names back after you raised a stink does not mean that i really give a crap about you or your opinions! the only reason i did that is because A) I began to loose myself with that name thing B) others agreed with you C) it DID sound better that way!

also, as for that part where i showed why they changed their names back to what they were, well, anyone who read hte fan fic series would want to know wouldn't they?

why am i even bothering to explain myself to you anyway! you annoy the crap out of me, i answer your damn questions, show you why i do what i do, and yet you contilue with the samn shit!

I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK UNLESS OTHERS POST THAT THEY AGREE!!! GOT THAT!!!!!!!!
Anarchist

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« Reply #88 on: 05-06-2003 17:24 »

GHT, to be fair, you DID ask for feedback. I also remember you saying something along the lines of "even if it is downright insulting".
Margarita

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« Reply #89 on: 05-06-2003 17:49 »

<getak> bal bla bla what do you think about my stories?
<people> it stinks
<getak> FUCK OFF YOU SHOULDNT POST IF YOU DONT LIKE MY FANFIC
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #90 on: 05-06-2003 18:28 »

i know im probably just entering myself into a flame war, but i do agree with everything Allen has posted. Author's comments posted in the middle of a story just rips the reader out of the plot and reminds them that they're reading. It's kinda like what my 16mm film professer said about bad acting and what my set design profeser said about bad sets: it kills the viewers suspension of disbelief and reminds them that their watching a movie. They may even stop paying attention to the plot and begin looking for other errors.
Allen

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« Reply #91 on: 05-06-2003 20:10 »

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
I hate cubert, so i killed him, also zapp is not the real master mind behind this stuff at all, GEEZ! what is the one ancient evil from a whole other region of scifi did i manage to graft into this series? that is the one angle nobody has ever done? you will have to figure that out on your own or wait for part eight to come out in a few days or so.

also, ALLEN, you know what, i DONT CARE! i never cared what the hell you thought! putting in little coments here and there is what i do, and that is how i like it!

just because i had them change their names back after you raised a stink does not mean that i really give a crap about you or your opinions! the only reason i did that is because A) I began to loose myself with that name thing B) others agreed with you C) it DID sound better that way!

also, as for that part where i showed why they changed their names back to what they were, well, anyone who read hte fan fic series would want to know wouldn't they?

why am i even bothering to explain myself to you anyway! you annoy the crap out of me, i answer your damn questions, show you why i do what i do, and yet you contilue with the samn shit!

I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK UNLESS OTHERS POST THAT THEY AGREE!!! GOT THAT!!!!!!!!

(stares dumbfounded) 
 laff   laff   laff   laff   laff 

Ok, (wipes his eyes) God do it again! I've never laughed so hard at an insult! Can't take criticism? If you don't care about my opinions, why respond at all?

I'm not going to pick a fight with you. I WILL NOT let you scare me however. I'll keep posting what I think and trying to help. Criticism, learn to deal. Your fic's gonna get a lot.
getak2003

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« Reply #92 on: 05-06-2003 20:18 »

suppose i did ask for feedback, so keep it coming, or whatever...

i never said, don't post if you don't like it, i was meerly saying "allen, stop whining about the same shit ever goddamn post! it is alway recycled this, you copied a theme, ohhh, they fell in love, how original! what, they switch bodies in one thing, been there done that! every post, samn complaints, same rants, same everything,

GET OVER IT! THAT IS HOW I WORK AND THAT IS HOW I WRITE! and allen, if you don't like it, go ahead and post, but be specific as to what you are refering to. my stories may use some scenes from other fan fics and parts from movies, and things like that, but i wrote the story, the tale is different from thers, I am the one who incorperated other angles from other shows, so, in the end, go ahead and post, just don't expect me to hold your hand and explain everything to you about the story......

Ght
Margarita

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« Reply #93 on: 05-06-2003 20:31 »

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
suppose i did ask for feedback, so keep it coming, or whatever...

i never said, don't post if you don't like it...

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK UNLESS OTHERS POST THAT THEY AGREE!!! GOT THAT!!!!!!!!
  confused
Marcus
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« Reply #94 on: 05-06-2003 20:33 »
« Last Edit on: 05-06-2003 20:33 »

>just don't expect me to hold your hand and >explain everything to you about the story......

Um... careful, mate. That don't fit with:

>putting in little coments here and there is what >i do, and that is how i like it!

Nah, seriously, I see what you say. But at least try writing without the comments - they are kind of distracting. You can easily suggest what you're saying in them as-part-of-the-story, as characterisations, metaphor, analogy etc... Enough folk seem to think you're good enough to do it that way, after all.

Marcus.
Venus

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« Reply #95 on: 05-06-2003 20:35 »

but why do you even need scenes from other stories? Why can't you come up with your own scenes? Everytime you post a new chapter you tick off a new author. The reason your hearing the same complaints over and over is because you do the same thing over and over.
aslate

Space Pope
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« Reply #96 on: 05-06-2003 20:38 »

Don't ask for comments unless you can handle "Constructive Criticism". It's there to help you improve what you're doing now, tell you what you're doing wrong and so if you do what they say and fix the problems, you become a better writer overall.
Allen

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« Reply #97 on: 05-06-2003 21:26 »

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
suppose i did ask for feedback, so keep it coming, or whatever...

i never said, don't post if you don't like it, i was meerly saying "allen, stop whining about the same shit ever goddamn post! it is alway recycled this, you copied a theme, ohhh, they fell in love, how original! what, they switch bodies in one thing, been there done that! every post, samn complaints, same rants, same everything.

Um, see the thing is now you're confusing things I said to you with things I said to other people. Every example you stated was me giving examples of ideas that have been done before, proving the originality comes from how writers handle the old idea.

GET OVER IT! THAT IS HOW I WORK AND THAT IS HOW I WRITE! Stop screaming. It's not going to make your point clearer and allen, if you don't like it, go ahead and post, but be specific as to what you are refering to. my stories may use some scenes from other fan fics and parts from movies, and things like that, but i wrote the story, the tale is different from thers, I am the one who incorperated other angles from other shows, so, in the end, go ahead and post, just don't expect me to hold your hand and explain everything to you about the story......

Didn't ask for my hand to be held. And I am specific about the things I don't like. "I don't like your author notes." I don't bother to tell you what fic you stole from because you don't care. So I'll tell you about the other things that bother me.
Ght

I admit that my opinion isn't going to change anything, but looks like people are getting behind me. BTW, it isn't necessary to write GHT on every post, we know who you are.  big grin
Margarita

Space Pope
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« Reply #98 on: 05-06-2003 21:40 »
« Last Edit on: 05-06-2003 21:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Allen:
BTW, it isn't necessary to write GHT on every post, we know who you are.    big grin

maybe "GHT" means "gay" on his language?  tongue
getak2003

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« Reply #99 on: 05-07-2003 08:21 »

GHT is a signature i use, just like the universe of malace writter uses his promo picture. i feel that was totally uncalled for.

also, please keep the critisism coming, please. helps make the next fan fic better.

also, i will NOW put the authors notes at the end or not ever in the story, less work for me, and you all seem to agree that they should go.

and i said i wanted feedback, senators want feed back, the president has a 1800 number for coments about him, never means they listed though. that is until there are more than one person saying and complaining about the same thing.

now, this little flame battle aside, i would like to know, how is it that part six of my series is the best of all, and seven the worst, when it should be quite the opposite? i really don't get it, it is like you all are voting from what i say here and do not bother to actually read the story for yourself/don't judtge the story for itself, not who writes it.

GHT
PCC Fred

Space Pope
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« Reply #100 on: 05-07-2003 09:24 »

Considering the way you respond to critisicm, I'm surprised anybody still wants to help you.
Allen

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« Reply #101 on: 05-07-2003 10:12 »
« Last Edit on: 05-07-2003 10:12 »

     
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Originally posted by getak2003:
now, this little flame battle aside, i would like to know, how is it that part six of my series is the best of all, and seven the worst, when it should be quite the opposite? i really don't get it, it is like you all are voting from what i say here and do not bother to actually read the story for yourself/don't judtge the story for itself, not who writes it.

GHT

I figured this one out GHT. Only 2 people have voted so far. Maybe 3. If you hold your mouse over the rating bar, it can show you how many people actually bothered to vote. Like some others say, give people more than 3 days to decide. That also means not too many people voted on your part six as well.

Dear readers, please make sure to either rate the stories or come here to complain or praise. I will accept any criticism on my stories as well. As I like to say, "People like praise, but they need criticism."

Also PCC Fred is correct. Whether we like it or not, our actions elsewhere can affect if people care for our stories. As an example, say you call us ignorant people who wouldn't know a good story if it fell on you. Now is that kind of attitude going to make people rate your stories high or low? Maybe they won't rate it at all. I've started many a thread to ask people what they thought of my stories and while I never got too many replies, I didn't shove the issue down people's throats.

Hope this makes it clearer.

BTW, just in case you read this and think I insulted you (as you sometimes do) take deep breaths and read again.   wink Take special notice of "example" as well.
Nixorbo

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« Reply #102 on: 05-07-2003 10:52 »

Get over yourself.  You write fanfics.  FANFICS.  You know, the lowest form of "literature" there is?  You're not going to find yourself catapulted to fame and glory through these.  If people don't like it, get over it.  If you insist on continuing, with intent of entertaining others, then change, so that you're entertaining others.  Just keep in mind what you're doing.  Fanfics.  Unprofessional, unpaid, unrecognized fanfiction.  Not the Great American Novel.  Things that by and large, have absolutely no effect on the outside world.
getak2003

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« Reply #103 on: 05-07-2003 17:01 »

(ungodly sarcastic) well, i had no idea this was not any kind of REAL writting, BTW i only do this to improve my typing skills and as a release of my creative side (something i have only used in the design and manufacture of computers)

also allen, i take no offense to your most recent post also i do like praise (who wouldnt) but i DO need critsism, and as much as i do not like it, i know it is good and necessary if i am to make the next fan fic better.

what stories did You write anyway? i would like to read them as well and perhaps give you some constructive critism or praises as well. this thread (as much as it may seem otherwise) is about ALL fan fics out there, and i would like to post coments to people who write some of the ones i see on the net.

and nixorbo, I KNOW that this is THE LOWEST form of writting, but if you like it, need to work on your keyboard stroke, want a creative release, and have WAY too much time on your hands, then writting fan fics is a good thing.
]PaulFSAC[

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« Reply #104 on: 05-07-2003 17:03 »

Do us all a favour, leave PEEL for a few weeks and just write the damned fic, this is getting tedious.
aslate

Space Pope
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« Reply #105 on: 05-07-2003 18:21 »

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
what stories did You write anyway? i would like to read them as well and perhaps give you some constructive critism or praises as well. this thread (as much as it may seem otherwise) is about ALL fan fics out there, and i would like to post coments to people who write some of the ones i see on the net.

Can i say, most of us don't write fanfics. Don't go using the "well i don't see you doing it, so you can't comment" sort of argument, that sucks! If you ask people what they think, expect good and bad.
Anarchist

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« Reply #106 on: 05-07-2003 18:28 »

 
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Originally posted by aslate:
 Can i say, most of us don't write fanfics. Don't go using the "well i don't see you doing it, so you can't comment" sort of argument, that sucks! If you ask people what they think, expect good and bad.

I think he was addressing Allen with that question, not the general public. (Allen did write a few fanfics.)
aslate

Space Pope
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« Reply #107 on: 05-07-2003 18:36 »

Oh, sorry. Thought he was just using a crap argument!
Allen

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« Reply #108 on: 05-07-2003 19:41 »

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
what stories did You write anyway? i would like to read them as well and perhaps give you some constructive critism or praises as well. this thread (as much as it may seem otherwise) is about ALL fan fics out there, and i would like to post coments to people who write some of the ones i see on the net.

Well, you can find most of them at TLZ under "Allen Tanner" if you didn't know.

I'm the guy that wrote "The Day The Future Stood in Doubt", "The Impressionable Mind" series, "The Groening Journals", and "His Destiny" (HD found at fanfiction.net)

Then there's my ongoing collaboration with Kryten, "The Frylight Zone" found at TLZ and FSAC.

This list of my stories is for anyone wishing to read them. You don't have to like them, but you could be nice and speak your mind about what you didn't like. If you do, tell me what you liked.

Margarita

Space Pope
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« Reply #109 on: 05-07-2003 19:49 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
Get over yourself.  You write fanfics.  FANFICS.  You know, the lowest form of "literature" there is?

damn right.

fanfic sucks, i dont even read it.
i bet all fanfic plots are "leela and fry married" and other boring stuff.
Anarchist

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« Reply #110 on: 05-07-2003 19:55 »

If you don't read fanfics, why are you reading the fanfic reviews thread? It doesn't make sence. The people who do it only do it for personal enjoyment; nobody has any delusions about it being an actual form of literature. If you don't like/respect fanfics, that's fine, but you don't have to flame them and make wrong assumptions about something you know very little about.
getak2003

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« Reply #111 on: 05-07-2003 19:56 »
« Last Edit on: 05-07-2003 19:56 »

Oh yeah, so that was you allen. good stories i would say.

i haven't read them in a long time, but i can't think of anything bad about them right off the bat.

good work, hope to see another one of your fan fics out soon.....any release dates?

also, to aslate, I happen to be able to write fan fics as well as coment here. i call this skill "multitasking" which happens to be easy when you write fan fics at night, post in the morning from typing class, and do other things on the net while at home in the afternoon. i may seem to be watching peel waiting for a response for hours, but that is just be cause i do anohter thing i call "keeping the window open and refresheing periodically while doing other productive things"

and i would also like to state that what you thought i did because you clearly did not read the part of my message saying "allen" if i don't say also or have another transition i am refering to the guy above whom i adressed the comment to. i made a new paragrapn only so that what i say is easier to read.

also, now that you have told me how to find out how many people actually voted, IM SHOCKED (well, not that shocked) at how some stories with the hightest rating have only one vote! damn, i thought that they wouold have more than that. at least four....oh well, who ever said one vote ever made a difference.

magarita:
YOU DON"T EVEN READ THEM! and you post here,   confused now that doesn't make sense. if you havent even read the fan fics, then why are you posting about ANYTHING here? you don't read the damn things, so why do you care?

GHT
aslate

Space Pope
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« Reply #112 on: 05-07-2003 20:02 »

I did see the "Allen" bit, i was poking in a bit there, i didn't know he wrote fan-fics.

Is that last paragraph to me? I don't think it is.

And Getak, i also "Multi-Task". I run a website, go to school do homework, surf the net/PEEL and wander over to the chat. I always thought multi-tasking meant you did the things at the same time.
Anarchist

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« Reply #113 on: 05-07-2003 20:13 »

As much fun as a good flamewar can be, let's all realize that the posts in this thread stopped being constructive a page and a half ago, shut up, and go back to doing whatever it is each of us does, before this thread degenerates into... ah well, never mind.
getak2003

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« Reply #114 on: 05-07-2003 20:23 »

so true, so true
Margarita

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« Reply #115 on: 05-07-2003 20:30 »

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
magarita:
YOU DON"T EVEN READ THEM! and you post here,    confused now that doesn't make sense. if you havent even read the fan fics, then why are you posting about ANYTHING here? you don't read the damn things, so why do you care?


haha I started posting here because I saw this hilarious post:

 
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I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK UNLESS OTHERS POST THAT THEY AGREE!!! GOT THAT!!!!!!!!
tongue
Allen

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« Reply #116 on: 05-07-2003 22:06 »
« Last Edit on: 05-07-2003 22:06 »

Well, the war is over for now. Sure hope it doesn't start up again. As for my next solo project GHT, I'm keeping it under wraps for now. As for TFZ, I want to finish it by summer's end.

To those that hate fanfics: Please leave your name and favorite hobby and we'll be sure to ridicule it as soon as possible. tongue

Needless to say I don't think you'll like it, so what makes you think we will?
getak2003

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« Reply #117 on: 05-07-2003 22:13 »

cool, i hope to finish going insane so that i can make my next project, GONE INSANE, naw, just pulling your chain, after going insane i may have a few spiratic one fan fic pieces, but that's about it really. although, the more i think about it i think i can cover all basis with Going insane. i have a few ideas to kick about before i finish it. shoule be good.

in the end i will have used just about every angle already done by others Ex escape into space, body swapping, depressed characters,

i also have a few ideas i will keep under wraps, like why leela and fry fuck so much, and a whole new way to mess with time, not to mention an anthology of interest three.

you will see many original ideas from eight on, things never done before in other fan fics, aside from theme IE body swapping and anthology of interests.

guess i shouldn't spoil it for you all. hope part eight is up soon....

GHT
Anarchist

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« Reply #118 on: 05-07-2003 22:38 »

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
i also have a few ideas i will keep under wraps, like why leela and fry fuck so much,
You mean it's not because they're a newlywed couple?  tongue
Venus

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« Reply #119 on: 05-07-2003 23:48 »

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
i also have a few ideas i will keep under wraps, like why leela and fry fuck so much,

is that really necessary? i really don't think we need Futurama porn. Which reminds me of the opening scene in your last story. It's fine that you announce that they did it, but we really don't need to know about stains. You can have Leela wash her sheets without going into detail about what their dirty with.   puke All that was was gratuitous, and not in a good way.
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