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Venus

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« Reply #520 on: 12-18-2003 00:38 »

It's not that you didn't write it powerfully, it's just that you had Fry pleading love to a dying woman who was not Leela. Anyone that Fry tearfully declares love to that isn't Leela i automatically despise. Just like how i hate Angel cause he kept coming between Buffy and Spike.
wu_konguk

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« Reply #521 on: 12-18-2003 09:10 »

Well I've got to say I really liked the latest chapter of UoM. I thought the event was very handeled. It seems like alot of loose ends are now being tied up.
Just a question Ken. Are you a fan of Transformers the movie? either it's my overactive imagination or you have alot of references to it in your work.
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #522 on: 12-18-2003 14:04 »

Of course I am, that's the main inspiration for the whole thing  smile
wu_konguk

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« Reply #523 on: 12-18-2003 14:07 »

I thought so. I thought the Unicron thing was too similar.
There was one line in the latest chapter, that to me seemed like a reference but minght not be. So may I ask if it is?
"I fear the wounds are....fatal"
Kif White

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« Reply #524 on: 12-18-2003 14:15 »

Yes, that's exactly what Perceptor said after examining Optimus Prime's damage. Thought it might be neat to have Zoidberg quote that.  smile
wu_konguk

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« Reply #525 on: 12-18-2003 14:25 »

Man I feel so geeky for knowing that was a reference. Well rock on, references are good.
Futurama_Hil

Urban Legend
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« Reply #526 on: 12-18-2003 15:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus: Anyone that Fry tearfully declares love to that isn't Leela i automatically despise.

Exactly. I thought she was written very very well in the story, it's just that I like to think Fry truly, and only, loves Leela...but if not, the way you wrote the Alesia/ Fry/ Leela plot was the best way.  smile
Kif White

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« Reply #527 on: 12-18-2003 15:32 »

That's fair enough, I just didn't realise you Shippers thought that anybody who is opposition to this had to automatically die horribly with no regard or sympathy for them whatsoever.
ActionLaPointe

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« Reply #528 on: 12-18-2003 16:02 »

shippers are a vicious people
Allen

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« Reply #529 on: 12-18-2003 17:49 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
It's not that you didn't write it powerfully, it's just that you had Fry pleading love to a dying woman who was not Leela. Anyone that Fry tearfully declares love to that isn't Leela i automatically despise. Just like how i hate Angel cause he kept coming between Buffy and Spike.

Um, point of reference. Angel was there first, and there are still people who want Angel and Buffy together. To those people I say, move on. They have. My point there is it makes no sense to hate Angel for something that was over long before Spike even teamed up with Buffy.

Same thing here. I don't hate Alesia. I relished the challenge she gave Fry and Leela romance and I don't care for the fact that she was killed. That's a coward's way out. "Oh she's dead, might as well go be with the one still living." I expected the death. It's bound to happen when villians find out you're soft on someone. I just think it was a bad move. The only real challenge to any relationship between the two is if Fry takes his time getting over the death.

My thoughts here is that you may have jumped the shark with that last chapter because now there's nothing left to do but save the Universe and maybe hook up with Leela. The triangle helped make it original Ken, don't go cliched now.


The end of a story is only the beginning.
Kif White

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« Reply #530 on: 12-18-2003 18:41 »

Thanks for your honesty, Allen. I assure you though, I'm not going to go down the predictable road if I can help it. Fry is not going to just hook-up with Leela now, that would be, as you said, cliched. Alesia's death has other purposes besides ending the triangle, I didn't just kill her to make it easier for the decision.

Again, thanks for that Allen. I'll try to prove that it hasn't jumped the shark, but that's ultimately up to you and the others when the last three chapters are released. The one thing I've worried about to be honest is the ending... I don't want this nearly two year epic that has drawn in so many fans to fizzle out at the end. That would be a tragedy, IMHO. I want to avoid it if possible.
Venus

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« Reply #531 on: 12-19-2003 01:06 »

 
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Originally posted by Kif White:
That's fair enough, I just didn't realise you Shippers thought that anybody who is opposition to this had to automatically die horribly with no regard or sympathy for them whatsoever.

Well, i actually disliked her for other reasons, that's just the main one. And it's not so much the death itself that makes me happy, it's just that i don't have to read any more Fry/Alesia moments. And she didn't have to die horribly, i would have been satisfied by a quick painless lightning strike   big grin Actually though, to be honest, the ending that would have made me the happiest would have been if Fry had had to choose and had decided that Leela was the one for him. But death will do in a pinch. I'll take what i can get.

As for the Angel thing, i started watching Buffy after Angel had left so for me i've only really seen her with Spike (and Riley, but who counts Captain Cardboard anyhow?) plus Angel is always really mean to Spike which aids the hating process.
Allen

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« Reply #532 on: 12-19-2003 14:29 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
As for the Angel thing, i started watching Buffy after Angel had left so for me i've only really seen her with Spike (and Riley, but who counts Captain Cardboard anyhow?) plus Angel is always really mean to Spike which aids the hating process.

Not that this is really the place to discuss it, but Spike happened to be one bad-ass vamp, second only to Angelus. Fans of Buffy know Spike has changed, but Angel doesn't. He's just now getting used to the fact that Spike has changed. I don't expect forgiveness overnight, neither should you.

Sorry, about that folks, but I hate misdirected hatred wink

And Venus, I'd suggest watching Buffy from the beginning. Everything makes more sense that way.

How about part five of Background Noise folks? The only thing I don't really care for are the fictional history lessons that seem to start every chapter, but the rest is awesome.


The end of a story is only the beginning.
Venus

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« Reply #533 on: 12-19-2003 14:39 »
« Last Edit on: 12-19-2003 14:39 »

i have seen the rest of Buffy my friend has the dvds and i watch Angel now too and its actually Angel that caused Spike to become as evil as he did, that was pointed out in an ep that came on a few weeks ago, and Angel doesn't have anything to forgive Spike for. He's just jealous that he's not the only souled vampire in the world anymore. And the fact that his soul was forced on him and as a demon he wants nothing to do with it, while Spike even as a demon wanted and fought for his drives Angel nuts. Angel knows Spike has changed. but that's completely beside the point

Background noise is pretty cool, i just skip over the history lessons.
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #534 on: 12-19-2003 15:08 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus: Actually though, to be honest, the ending that would have made me the happiest would have been if Fry had had to choose and had decided that Leela was the one for him.

That's the reason I didn't really like her dying. Also, despite the fact I dispise her because she gets in between Fry and Leela, I actually do like her as a person when she was kind....but it seems Fry did bring the worst out of her, and, it's just natural for a F/L shipper to dislike her. Don't take it the wrong way, Ken  big grin- she was a great original character and, even, now that I think about it, I do get a bit saddened over her death- she was just recovering and then died- so, yes, it does make me a little sad even if I dislike her  frown
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #535 on: 12-19-2003 16:22 »

Thanks, Hil... That's more what I was aiming for. Good to know that somebody got that  smile
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #536 on: 12-20-2003 02:15 »

 
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Originally posted by Allen:
 "Oh she's dead, might as well go be with the one still living."

That's the last thing i want as well. Just cause i want them together and am glad that Alesia isn't a threat anymore, the last thing i want to see is a "Oh Fry!" "Oh Leela!" *fall into each others arms* kinda moment. If Fry gets with Leela right away it's like she's the consolation prize "Can't have Alesia, guess that leaves me with you" i want Fry to be with Leela because he sincerely wants to be with her, not because she's the last chick standing. I want it to take time and be awkward with Fry distraught and confused and Leela unsure of what he needs her to do or what she even wants. I want a natural progression. Not a..what do you call them..a crappy Disney ending
Teral

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« Reply #537 on: 12-22-2003 15:22 »
« Last Edit on: 12-22-2003 15:22 »

So, Delicious Surpris 20: a cute and relatively calm "intermission" chapter. Intermission, in the good way: it's time for the characters to catch up with their lives, relax and think about the events of the past months. The last one is mostly for Leela.


Just as good as the rest of the story.
Rhodan

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« Reply #538 on: 12-22-2003 16:48 »
« Last Edit on: 12-22-2003 16:48 »

I don´t know exactly why, but from some reason I think that DS would be the best possible Futurama continuing. Every whole week so looking forward to new chapter!

The last part of "The Other" is very good too.
Ol´coot

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« Reply #539 on: 01-01-2004 13:52 »

Kudos to Rye Guy for his latest "A Long Night". I very much like his potrayal of Fry in this story, he comes across as much more mature than he usually does and it is very refreshing! There were a couple of scenes where Fry didn't take advantage of a situation where the original Fry would have. (Too bad Leela wasn't able to notice, she would have been impressed!)

 I hope he will expand on the story in the future, I'd love to read more of his take on Leela's feelings which were hinted at in the fic. There is lots of potential here and I hope RG takes advantage of it!  wink

Coot
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Venus

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« Reply #540 on: 01-01-2004 22:46 »
« Last Edit on: 01-01-2004 22:46 »

UoM 22 is up. I don't know how i feel about it though. Maybe it would be easier to take if i knew had the situation been reversed and it had been Leela at the business end of that hook Fry would have had the same reaction. I noticed Fry never apologized to Leela for what he said to her before her stabbing. If it bothered him as much as he told Alesia it did, wouldn't he have brought it up to her? As it was Leela was the one that brought it up but then it was pretty much forgotten about. Now he just yells at her and is snippy.
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #541 on: 01-01-2004 23:59 »

Hello all, good to be back again.

You know, I just finished reading UoM22 a minute ago, and it seems like Fry's feelings are out of whack all right.  I'm still wondering how much of his love was towards Alesia, and how much of it was carried over from Leela to her.  I think Fry has a great deal of passion with Alesia, but not true love that would have lasted.

Still, with Leela's feelings with another person starting to become mixed in, this should become more interesting than ever, makes me wish that it wasn't coming to an end soon.
Kif White

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« Reply #542 on: 01-02-2004 02:03 »

 
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Originally posted by Wonderbee31:
I'm still wondering how much of his love was towards Alesia, and how much of it was carried over from Leela to her.  I think Fry has a great deal of passion with Alesia, but not true love that would have lasted.

Well, keep in mind that Fry managed to conjure a near perfect image of Alesia with his Holophonor while playing flawless music, without the aide of parasites or devil hands. That scene should have shown what Fry's feelings really were. Whether it would have lasted the distance down the track even I don't know, but it was very strong and very real at the time.
Venus

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« Reply #543 on: 01-02-2004 02:25 »

does that mean that since Fry could never create a near perfect image of Leela during those episodes you don't think his love for her was as real? or was his sudden ability to play a product of the pain he was in?
Kif White

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« Reply #544 on: 01-02-2004 02:48 »
« Last Edit on: 01-02-2004 02:48 »

Yes, it was the pain that allowed him to produce it here. I believe Fry's love is real for Leela, I think it's because Fry has problems focussing his feelings that he can't produce perfect images often. He didn't even get a perfect image in this case until the very end at his emotional peak. "Parasites Lost" proved that if Fry can focus his thoughts more, he can produce brilliance. Also, keep in mind this is set two years after "The Devil's Hands are Idol Playthings" which means another two years of practice.

In summary, the scene wasn't primarily supposed to show his love for Alesia as much as it was supposed to show how deeply hurt and grieved he was; that his thoughts are sofocussed on her death that he managed to actually conjure up something so powerful.

And in case you're wondering, yes... If Leela had died instead of Alesia, Fry's pain would have produced a near-perfect image of her too. Perhaps even moreso.
Venus

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« Reply #545 on: 01-02-2004 04:45 »

good answer. cause undermining Fry's feelings for Leela in front of a shipper is grounds for a visit from the attack cat



She's vicious i tell you! Vicious!
wu_konguk

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« Reply #546 on: 01-02-2004 12:04 »

Well another good chapter Ken. Alwyas nice to see references that very few people will get (that I get of course). Funny thing is very little seemed to actually happen, not a bad thing because it alowed for emotion interplay.

I will be very interested to see the next two chapters and the end to this epic fan fic.
green-gesus

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« Reply #547 on: 01-03-2004 22:14 »

My review of the serial Fic “Background Noise” by Dave Vincent

A intensely crafted story. The plot consists largely of an upcoming war with the Omicron Persians. It includes an unbelievable number of familiar areas (Leela’s sewer neighborhood, PE Ship/HQ) woven into the main story and sub stories, using fresh new characterizations of the old Futurama crew and realer than real interpretations of character motivation. I went crazy with joy reading each chapter like a staving man, but it could just be I’m sick with the flu.

But talking about reusing characters, this one has everything. Morgan Proctor, Zap Branagain and his unwilling slave Kif Kroaker, The robot Mafia, and the often circuitous escapades of the Eternians all here to fall in love with again. So finely, it may be hard to distinguish when you’ve felt so giddy. Worried about those so overdone and out of places explanations designed to bring us squallor acients up to speed on a future universe? Even that’s cleverly taken care of.

He expands on what the characters, with their specialties and flaws, would be propelled to do in many new kinds of situations while being so very faithful to the original ‘models’ that we fans have grown to love. He takes the strangeness of the Futurama world, the pure geek-sexing beauty of it, and gives it explanations that would feel right at home coming from seasoned scfi writer’s desk. All plausibly real. I cannot recall how often this serial fic makes me remember the political soap opera majesty of Babylon 5. But this is no mere copycat borrower. He has re-invented the Futurama story to the height of a saga. One of those where everything goes wrong but it’s so right because you want it to. Every piece of the puzzle is given to us, slowly revealing the whole ingeniously. “Too cool for words” is so so right about its satisfying sweetness. The kind of fic I tried to write. Conniving bastard.

A little light on the details or subtleties of what some may be expected of writers, the dialogue is somewhat blunt and messy, and in some cases repetitious. The majority of the plot twists can probably be found in The Grand List of Overused Scifi Cliches(*). But this does nothing. You still come off each part wanting more. And more is what he will give, seeing that the series seems in no way near finished. The plot twists come easily, so easily I’m sure Dave could end each of the entwining threads in a paragraph or two. But still that’s a lot of that would get written.

I give it an evil alien impersonating God-like 5 out of 5.
 http://www.scanartcentral.net/index1.php?id=publ/fanfic#DaveVincent

(*)http://enphilistor.users4.50megs.com/cliche.htm
Allen

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« Reply #548 on: 01-04-2004 00:07 »
« Last Edit on: 01-04-2004 00:07 »

I agree with everything that man just said. I even wrote to Dave himself and said "I can't define your fic. My words don't do it justice." I'm usually pretty good with words if my teachers, Mom, and friends are anything to go by. I have to admit I'm a little jealous, but I rest easy knowing if he's better than me, I'm better than someone else. big grin
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #549 on: 01-04-2004 17:10 »

regarding UoM part 22: Fry's very messed up right now it seems, hopefully Leela will help him through it, he will regain his feelings for her. Once again, I'm just a bit dissapionted that there was no beneficial, for the shippers, scene between Fry and Leela (though I understand this is because Fry is not himself, so would be awkward). I'm waiting for the big payback.... yes, the shippy moment... big grin
Xmpel

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« Reply #550 on: 01-05-2004 13:42 »

Will there be any wild killing sprees ?
Ol´coot

Bending Unit
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« Reply #551 on: 01-07-2004 14:39 »

 Dave Vincent has done it again with part 6 of 'Background Noise'. He has done his usual great job advancing the story while leaving this reader waiting impatiently for more.  tongue

 As always his pacing is great, his plot development is tight and his dialog is crisp. This fic is on the cusp of replacing NaSteve's exellent "Flowers in the Window" as my fave. Great job Dave!  big grin

(Baptist downpour!! Ya gotta love it!)  wink
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #552 on: 01-07-2004 17:41 »

I've just started reading Dave's "Background Noise" part 1, since it's the only fic thus far to turn my head. So far through, I'll say that I love the sophisticated way in which he's constructed a plot around the Futurama story, yet knowing it's based on Futurama I can't help but find it extremely dry. Not that I have anything against drama but when it's coming from characters who I'm used to hearing witty asides and snappy comebacks from it feels kinda lacking.

 Still, I shall persist.  smile
Ol´coot

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« Reply #553 on: 01-07-2004 19:26 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
 Still, I shall persist.   smile


It will be worth the effort MoV, it isn't comedy but it is quite a good tale.  wink

  It is looking to epic in scale though, I wonder how big it might be after it is all done  confused
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #554 on: 01-13-2004 07:07 »

Okay, I finally finished reading all 6 segments of Background Noise...and it is very good. There are occasions when monologues become so primarily descriptive of the story that the character becomes wooden, but the trade-off for such an ambitious and well thought out story is well worth it. Excellent work.  smile

 
Rhodan

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« Reply #555 on: 01-18-2004 11:20 »
« Last Edit on: 01-18-2004 11:20 »

"The Other" is still better and better. Altough now is pretty obvious who Skyler is or maybe becouse that, tension increases. Anyway, can someone (probably from TLZ) tell me when will be "Delicious Suprrise 21"?       
Teral

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« Reply #556 on: 01-18-2004 12:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Rhodan:
"The Other" is still better and better. Altough now is pretty obvious who Skyler is or maybe becouse that, tension increases. Anyway, can someone (probably from TLZ) tell me when will be "Delicious Suprrise 21"?       

Tomorrow. Sometime in the afternoon (CET).
Rhodan

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« Reply #557 on: 01-18-2004 12:58 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
 Tomorrow. Sometime in the afternoon (CET).
Thank you very much!
Venus

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« Reply #558 on: 01-19-2004 15:00 »

DS 21 is out. It seems shorter then the others. Anyway, i really didn't like how Munda was characterized in this chapter, i really can't see her doing what she did. But other than that this chap is pretty good.
Rhodan

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« Reply #559 on: 01-20-2004 13:17 »

Exactly like my opinion. Altough it will be probably some devoleped, the very basics of the argument were forced and narrow-minded.   
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