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Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #480 on: 12-03-2003 19:00 »

well you gotta remember disney movies are aimed at kids. Quasimodo and Esmerelda died in the book but they can't have that be the ending of a movie that's gonna be showed to young kids. Grim's fairy tales, really are grim so of course they have to change the endings. And yeah the barbie thing is annoying, thankfully they didn't have that in Lilo & Stitch (best Disney movie ever)

anyway, back on topic. If everyone can forgive Alesia for wanting to abandon Leela to the delphinians why can't they forgive her for stunning Alesia. It's not like she did it randomly, she had a good reason, it was succesful and it saved Alesia's life. So why is Leela suddenly turned on? Leela stunning Alesia put Alesia in no danger. Abandoning Leela would have put her in danger. It seems to me, what Alesia was considering is worse then what Leela did. And Fry forgave her in like what, half in hour?
wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #481 on: 12-03-2003 19:03 »

Perhaps Fry is more in love with Alesia than we shippers want to admit.

just want to add that in real life good does truimph over evil but if the evil won then it would of been consider good. In other words the victors dictate what was good and what was evil , just something I wanted to say.
Asylum-Fry

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #482 on: 12-03-2003 19:03 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2003 19:03 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
well you gotta remember disney movies are aimed at kids. Quasimodo and Esmerelda died in the book but they can't have that be the ending of a movie that's gonna be showed to young kids. Grim's fairy tales, really are grim so of course they have to change the endings. And yeah the barbie thing is annoying, thankfully they didn't have that in Lilo & Stitch (best Disney movie ever)

anyway, back on topic. If everyone can forgive Alesia for wanting to abandon Leela to the delphinians why can't they forgive her for stunning Alesia. It's not like she did it randomly, she had a good reason, it was succesful and it saved Alesia's life. So why is Leela suddenly turned on? Leela stunning Alesia put Alesia in no danger. Abandoning Leela would have put her in danger. It seems to me, what Alesia was considering is worse then what Leela did. And Fry forgave her in like what, half in hour?

Kids ought to learn at an earlier age that life isn't that bright and cheerful.

Anyway, you know how people generally are: rude and ungrateful. Leela did the right thing and got attacked for it, that's how life works. You do the right thing because you want to, there isn't a given reward for it. Leela could've high-tailed it out of the room and left Alesia to die, but she didn't. So I'd say Kif is reminding us of the same thing Disney movies don't: life's not fair.

Good and evil are subjective. One cannot be without the other. If there was only good, it wouldn't be called good because there is no evil to compare it to, and vice versa. Then again, evil is only evil when contemplated. But still, we can't say there is a black-and-white way to see good and evil, even if they were 100% factual. EVERYBODY is both, or has been at some point. It's impossible not to be.
wu_konguk

Urban Legend
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« Reply #483 on: 12-03-2003 19:09 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2003 19:09 »

In other words the light can only shine in the dark.

Well Ken said there will only be a few more chapter so hopefuly it will not take long to find out the conclusion.
Asylum-Fry

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #484 on: 12-03-2003 19:10 »

 
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Originally posted by wu_konguk:
In otherwords the light can only shine on the dark.

Well Ken said there will only be a few more chapter so hopefuly it will not take long to find out the conclusion.

Exactly.

Wh- wait! Only a few more?? NOOOOO...
Ol´coot

Bending Unit
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« Reply #485 on: 12-03-2003 19:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Kif White:
 Actually, I'm curious as to whether there's anybody out there you would actually prefer Fry to be with Alesia? Probably not, but I'm curious to know.    smile

I can't see any other way to go unless you have Fry decide to drop any relationship with anyone. From my reading of the story Fry and Alesia are 'madly - deeply' for each other, it seems impossible he'd leave Alesia just to return to being abused and rejected by Leela again. ('course, Fry is dumb!)

It seems to me that in UoM the Fry - Leela thing is dead, for me it became clear when Fry asked Leela what they should do with the pirates.. Icy.. brrrr..

Coot
F&L - rip
Asylum-Fry

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #486 on: 12-03-2003 19:20 »
« Last Edit on: 12-04-2003 00:00 »

 
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Originally posted by Ol'coot:
From my reading of the story Fry and Alesia are 'madly - deeply' for each other, it seems impossible he'd leave Alesia just to return to being abused and rejected by Leela again. ('course, Fry is dumb!)

Well you know Leela is 95% likely to realize her true feelings and in an act of desperation tell Fry these when it's almost too late and Alesia is betraying her to save Fry and herself from <the pirates or the planet eater or something> and Fry realizes again why he loved her all along and then he ditches Alesia who, in a fit of rage, contemplates killing Leela for this and escapes to "fight another day", leaving Fry and Leela (and possibly the rest of the crew?) to defeat <the planet monster or the pirates or whoever>, which they will obviously succeed in doing at the cost of one brave soul <ie: Amy Bender or Nibbler> and everyone else lives happily ever after.

Uh-oh... I think I just ruined the ending for everyone didn't I?    tongue

Anyway, I've been rereading UoM from the very beginning again (at the middle of part 9) and from what I've noticed, the Alesia/Fry relationship has been built on these two parts:



So I suspect that if Leela gains the upper hand in winning Fry back (such as, oh, getting shishkebabed with a sword, maybe?) then Alesia loses everything. She wants Fry, yes, but it looks more like some kind of a game to her, to show up Leela. At least that's how I see the whole thing...
Allen

Professor
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« Reply #487 on: 12-04-2003 16:26 »
« Last Edit on: 12-04-2003 16:26 »

Wow, people sure are analyzing UoM to death  wink I can only hope that I could cause such an uproar, but probably not. I always have a problem with fan made characters in stories. It's rather difficult to pull off (same as crossovers). Ken's done a bang up job on the Alesia front, but I notice this is where everybody's concentrating their efforts. Ken, where are you going with that Zapp and Baldur thing? While everything else is advancing, you've got two characters wandering around inside a monster not doing much of anything, but biting the other's head off. The DOOP subplot is also confusing. These people don't seem to make ANY difference at all. It seems like they're only there because they were used in Futurama. I often skim past these parts because they're long and boring futile attempts to destroy the planet eater. They're now on the right path it seems, but it's still futile. They need someone who can control the staff. As you've hinted, that person may very well be Fry. That's the funniest thing in this whole story. There are loads of people who want or need the jewels for their own purposes. Never mind that there may not be a tomorrow, thanks to the planet eater.

Kinda reminds me of my own character, Noob, if only because some of these people wish to stop the monster themselves despite evidence to the contrary that they can't. They either are not aware of the evidence or choose to ignore it. Brillant, but this leads to some seemingly unnecessary scenes. Like I said, I can't understand the need for Zapp and Baldur. I think I prefer Zapp dead, for all the comic relief he offers reminds me of Zoidy's comedy attempts. Of course to the rest of the Universe he IS dead, which seem to make his scenes even more unnecessary. "Dead" men move no plots, only people. Zapp isn't well liked and so provides no motivation except in celebration of his death.

Well, I've said enough. But it had to be done for there are other aspects to explore people! Yes, the triangle makes for great speculation, but it's one part of this massive story.
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #488 on: 12-04-2003 16:45 »

You bring up some interesting points, Allen. The main point of Zapp not being around is actually to have Kif without him and actually being treated with dignity for once. But there are other reasons.
Ol´coot

Bending Unit
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« Reply #489 on: 12-06-2003 12:32 »

 
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Originally posted by Kif White:
You bring up some interesting points, Allen. The main point of Zapp not being around is actually to have Kif without him and actually being treated with dignity for once. But there are other reasons.

Good old Zap. I remeber how dissapointed I was when it became clear he hadn't achieved negative function!  no no  Still Ken, there is plenty of time to correct the problem   evil laugh

Coot,
darkly imagining a better universe w/o ZB
Ol´coot

Bending Unit
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« Reply #490 on: 12-06-2003 12:37 »

Rye Guy has done it again with part 5 of "The Other". The level of suspense is still high and it leaves me wanting more! I just wish he had done more between Leela and Nibbler, a missed opportunity to expand Leela's story.    frown  Still RG, well done!
Wonderbee31

Starship Captain
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« Reply #491 on: 12-07-2003 08:16 »

Part 18 of DS is out at TLZ now, and it's a wonderul read as always.  I'm not sure how much longer this is going to go, but I'm going to miss reading new parts of this story when it finishes, it's just that good.  Missy, it's a great story!
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #492 on: 12-07-2003 13:25 »

yes, much love for DS!
Wonderbee31

Starship Captain
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« Reply #493 on: 12-12-2003 06:26 »

I read UoM part 20, and it's fantastic.  For once, I actually felt that Alesia might have just a little decency in her after all.  Still, when she asked Fry her "question" again, if he'd turned around and given her a smack, I would've went, Yes!  Still, at least she did Leela right at the end, and maybe this will be a kind of rebirth for Leela's character.  I hope that things start to get closer between her and Fry again.
Ol´coot

Bending Unit
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« Reply #494 on: 12-12-2003 09:20 »

UoM 20 is up to Ken's usual standards, great in other words! Ya gotta love how the triangle is developing - we see more of Alesia's dark side and there is an uptick in Leela's storyline. (You can tell me Ken, Venus got to you didn't she?   wink )

Having Alesia come to grips with her possesiveness is an interesting development in its own right.. I hope Ken can develop that some more while writing about the three of them... If there is a conclusion to the triangle why do I feel that Fry will make the wrong decision? Oh yeah, it is Fry after all   no no
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #495 on: 12-12-2003 15:19 »

*Runs full speed into Peel and hugs it desperately* Oh My God your back! I thought i was gonna die! 4 days, it might as well have been 4 years!

 
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Originally posted by Ol'coot:
(You can tell me Ken, Venus got to you didn't she?    wink )

It's amazing what people will be willing to do after spending some good quality personal time with a potato peeler

Anyway, i adored the chapter, i loved seeing Fry tell Alesia off. The only thing i wanted to see but didn't was a 1-on-1 conversation between Fry and Leela. But i assume that will happen in the next chapter.
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #496 on: 12-12-2003 15:47 »

She's been hacking my hard drive again I see... :P
Wonderbee31

Starship Captain
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« Reply #497 on: 12-12-2003 15:51 »
« Last Edit on: 12-12-2003 15:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
Anyway, i adored the chapter, i loved seeing Fry tell Alesia off. The only thing i wanted to see but didn't was a 1-on-1 conversation between Fry and Leela. But i assume that will happen in the next chapter.


I agree with you Venus, it made me feel good when Fry finally got fed up with Alesia's constant "question", though I wish that he'd have given her a good smack when she asked him again after he told her how he was feeling so bad.  Now, if only there's a good 1 on 1 next chapter, then that might get our intrepid heroes back into better synch with one another. 

Please say they have a talk next chapter Kif.   wink

Well from your post above Kif, it sounds like things are going to get better again.  Yay!
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #498 on: 12-12-2003 16:01 »

See my comment above regarding that, Wonderbee  smile

Actually, I'll just go and grab you all that very conversation. I was wondering what spoiler to give you guys, so keep an eye on the release dates thread... I'll post it there soon.
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #499 on: 12-12-2003 16:03 »

Yes! YES! Being a pain in the Ass really does get results!
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #500 on: 12-12-2003 16:15 »

It's there now  smile
Jesse X Barboza

Bending Unit
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« Reply #501 on: 12-13-2003 22:06 »

I just read the first six chapters of "The Other" by Rye Guy - best damn thing I've ever read. If there was to be a "Futurama" movie, this would have to be the premise.
Teral

Helpy McHelphelp
DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #502 on: 12-14-2003 13:03 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
One question though. i noticed Leela's parents keep calling her 'dollushki' does that mean something? It sounds vagely jewish to me but i have no idea what it means.

I asked Missy about that, and here's what she told me:

 
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It's basically a sort of nickname a mangling of "doll" of course, and just a
sort of different.  It has a sort of Russo-Hebrew ring to it, and it's supposed to.  Even Leela's confused as to why her mom calls her that, so it's not shocking that others would be, too.

Anyway, part 19 is up at TLZ, if anyone is interested.
Rhodan

Bending Unit
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« Reply #503 on: 12-14-2003 14:00 »

I allready read that. It´s fantastic.
Wonderbee31

Starship Captain
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« Reply #504 on: 12-14-2003 14:40 »

I just finished reading Delicious Surprise 19, and it's wonderful.  Things come to a head here, and there's some happy endings, and some sad ones as well.  Just hope that part 20 has something I've been looking forward to for awhile.
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #505 on: 12-14-2003 14:49 »

DS, awesome as always, except
 
Gort

Bending Unit
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« Reply #506 on: 12-15-2003 10:05 »
« Last Edit on: 12-15-2003 10:05 »

I might as well do the honours for now. Kif White lied to you all when saying that the latest part of his fic, Futurama: Universe of Malice, would be up on Tuesday or Wednesday, because it's up right now on The Leela Zone. Yes, that's a full day before he said it would be up. Shame on him and Sylvester Stallone's cat! I suggest you punish him by reading his fiction work thoroughly and then do the usual Alesia bashing afterwards.     wink
Allen

Professor
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« Reply #507 on: 12-15-2003 13:41 »

I just read it and I think it was awesome as usual. A good read that comes with the pervading feeling that the end is ever approaching and after so many chapters, you know it's gonna be good.
Wonderbee31

Starship Captain
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« Reply #508 on: 12-15-2003 14:53 »

Well, I just read Universe of Malice 21 a few minutes ago, and it was...awesome, to say the least.  First off; @Kenneth, I think that this is one of the most powerful chapters that I've read in a fan-fic, ever.  I wish that I could write half as well as you, but, to no avail.  Your climax to the chapter was bitter-sweet, and made me wonder, what'll happen to Fry now?

Asylum-Fry

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #509 on: 12-15-2003 18:04 »

Actually, I'm still trying to decide which is a better part; 19, 20 or 21... even more confusing, plus FINALLY


I know I can't seem to look beyond the action/plot and dialogue for the "deep meaningful romantic" stuff, but this part of UoM was extremely good. Bravo, Kenneth!
Futurama_Hil

Urban Legend
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« Reply #510 on: 12-15-2003 19:26 »

Once again, good stuff, Ken...I'm still overviewing the chapter in my mind....

Hmm, well, I acctually would've like di tbette rif Alesia lived for some reason, I dunno, I guess I want to see who Fry'd pick and why...but the way you took it was great. Hmm, and the other dissapointment...I know you're most likely doing this on purpose...but there's been so many parts with Alesia/ Fry, hopefully more parts of Fry/ Leela will come about.
Mango

Starship Captain
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« Reply #511 on: 12-16-2003 00:19 »
« Last Edit on: 12-16-2003 00:19 »

Ahahaha! *DANCES* Ding-dong, the witch is dead, which old witch? The wicked old witch!
...
I mean, um....
I'm...so...sad. *cough*>_<

Um, but seriously, good writing again Kenneth.  Lots of yummy emotion in the latest chapter.  And bloodshed to boot! Meep!
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #512 on: 12-16-2003 01:46 »

Ceeeeellllabrate good times! Come On! Dun nun nun nun nun nun nuh NUUUUUUHHH! Woohoo!

Now that *someone* is out of the way, maybe we'll actually get to see a romantic Leela/Fry moment for once.
Asylum-Fry

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #513 on: 12-16-2003 03:19 »

Actually, I'd prefer if he ends it with the whole "just friends" stance. After going through all this, I don't think they can ever get past it.

You all know it's coming. Alesia doesn't just die for a "happily ever after" ending, you know...

Right, Kenneth??
Allen

Professor
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« Reply #514 on: 12-16-2003 07:00 »
« Last Edit on: 12-16-2003 07:00 »

 
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Originally posted by Asylum-Fry:
Actually, I'd prefer if he ends it with the whole "just friends" stance. After going through all this, I don't think they can ever get past it.

You all know it's coming. Alesia doesn't just die for a "happily ever after" ending, you know...

Right, Kenneth??

I thought we weren't spoiling who died, right AF? And some of you are freaking me out with celebrating over the death.  tongue


The end of a story is only the beginning.
Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #515 on: 12-16-2003 16:29 »

*stops dead in mid strip*
You don't like the celebrating?
*Puts top back on*
fine. have it your way.

I was completely expecting Alesia's death i have to admit. I figured Kif wouldn't make Fry actually choose. But i wasn't expecting the death to happen until around chapter 23.
Allen

Professor
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« Reply #516 on: 12-16-2003 16:36 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
*stops dead in mid strip*
You don't like the celebrating?
*Puts top back on*
fine. have it your way.

I was completely expecting Alesia's death i have to admit. I figured Kif wouldn't make Fry actually choose. But i wasn't expecting the death to happen until around chapter 23.

If I could SEE that, you could continue, since I can't, you're just being mean and playing with my horomones tongue For some reason, I was expecting the death as well. But I wanted Fry to choose. First time he had to.


The end of a story is only the beginning.
Ol´coot

Bending Unit
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« Reply #517 on: 12-17-2003 11:48 »

Just finished Leela Squared pt. 4, great stuff Wonderbee!! Hmmm.. Zap as a sexless and willess Cyberman, maybe there is some justice in the universe  evil laugh  I thought it stumbled in part 2 but it has turned out great... Don't stop!
Ol´coot

Bending Unit
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« Reply #518 on: 12-17-2003 15:18 »

Background Noise, Part 5.

Dave has continued to keep me hooked on his 'page turner' of a fic. I find all of the plot-lines intriguing and can't wait to see what happens next. Even though it is getting longish his pacing is still crisp and his narrative never drags! He has a first rate piece of fiction going!
Kif White

Bending Unit
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« Reply #519 on: 12-17-2003 18:51 »

Back from being away for a few days, so only just seen the reactions now. A few comments:

Firstly, I tried to write it so that even the Alesia haters would be touched... unfortunately, that obviously wasn't the case. I have to say that this chapter as far as writing goes was both the best and the worst for me. Alesia's death was planned pretty far back, and when writing it I shead the odd tear, not just because of how sad I felt the scene was, but because as the writer, I felt that I had just killed off a character I had grown to love, indeed, probably also my greatest creation ever. Even those who hated her treated her as if she was a real character from the show, something that made her seem even more alive, and it was sad for me to get rid of her for that reason... I'll miss writing her parts.

Well, now it seems that the triangle is over, and it was obviously the most followed part of the story. Thanks to those who followed it so closely, although I'm surprised the romance side of the story apparently worked so well, considering I don't really know that much about it. The story is, and always will and has been, primarily an action/adventure sci-fi story. The romance wasn't originally planned to so involved, but it eventually did. But I'm rambling, so I'll just stop here.
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