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« on: 07-14-2005 13:19 »

Hey all.

I have been in to Futurama for a while now, around a year and have lurked around TLZ:FM and here for a while too, and I must say that most of the work that people do is amazing.

Anyway I came up with the idea for a 3D Gallery viewing thing for all the art. The way I planned for it to work is when you launch the program it downloads the list of artists and the information about them, and displays it to you in a nice simple list. You then double click the artists name and it opens and generates a 3D gallery with all their works in it. I have the know how to create it, but I won't if there is not enough people wanting it.

Just out of curiosity would anyone be interested in anything like this?

I know that there is possible copyright issues and I will look in to this if I decide to create it.

~ Bezelbot

Bending Unit
« Reply #1 on: 07-14-2005 13:20 »

I would like it, I would like it a lot!

« Reply #2 on: 07-14-2005 13:24 »

Actually something has just come to mind, that i forgot to post. Time of a download for artists like FemJessee, who seem to be able to pour out masses of work of consistantly high standards, may end up getting very slow to download, so would people like the idea of several galleries per artist depending on how many images they have.

Well so far thats 1 person wanting it

Starship Captain
« Reply #3 on: 07-14-2005 14:01 »

Sounds great!

There is so many Fan arts out there, I hope that you have a lot of free space for it.

Go for it.

(Don't forget to ask the artistsí authorizations before you take their stuff!)

« Reply #4 on: 07-14-2005 14:16 »
« Last Edit on: 07-14-2005 14:16 »

Actually, the way I plan on doing it, will be to grab it off the net from somewhere that will let me do that. I'm going to ask Graham on Futurama Madhouse if I can a public version of this. At the moment i have a prototype thing that does all the list thing, but that as far as i'm going until i get his permission to do more. Any artists that read this and don't want their work to viewable by this, please say and I will add code in to lock you out of it.

Well so far thats 2 people wanting it

« Reply #5 on: 07-14-2005 15:02 »

Go for it  smile . Don't wait around for everyone to say "OMG that's an awesome idea I want your babies!" etc... this forum generally moves quite slowly. I'll need to see some work in progress shots before making my mind up on whether it's a good idea or not.

As for copyright, I think most of the artists wouldn't object to being put on a new database (It's just a link to TLZ after all). Just don't modify it in any way, make it clear who the credit belongs to, and it should be fine. Start testing it out with my art if you really need permission. Just bear in mind that 95% of the artists on the site are inactive, and you probably won't get much of a response from the other 5% if you send out a bunch of 'your permission please' emails.
A couple of questions...

1. Will the program be updateable to include new art?
2. Will the it have any extra features that make it worth using instead of the TLZ database (like easier interface, searching, user-defined thumbnail sizes etc.)?

« Reply #6 on: 07-14-2005 15:23 »
« Last Edit on: 07-14-2005 15:23 »

Well the reasons I have been asking around is because as I'm studying a software design and engineering at university I want to make sure I do everything legally at this early stage in my career. But thanks for the advice.

1: Yes the program will be updateable.
2: Yes, most of what you said their will be in it. I'm still desiging the basic concept of how to do the 3D Galleries.

I will get a few screenshots posted up soon.


Here is a screenshot I have done. It is currently loading a data file off my computer, and it shows the layout of the artist directory.


Bending Unit
« Reply #7 on: 07-15-2005 02:02 »

Not a good idea from a webmaster's standpoint.

Check the terms 'hotlinking' and 'bandwidth stealing'. Both are bad things. When people visit the galleries in TLZ they download small thumbnails that don't strain our bandwidth, and then they pick one image they like to download completely. They'll pick a few images from each gallery, and move on.

Your software sounds a lot less forgiving. It'll try to download all the full-size images from a single artist at once, sucking bandwidth like candy. With enough people downloading galleries at once, our bandwidth will be sucked dry, something that'd never happen with normal visitor usage.

TLZ's fanart galleries aren't stored in ImageShack; our bandwidth costs money. A program that'd download all those images at once will send the bandwidth bill skyrocketing, and what you'd get is a site closed due to excessive bandwidth usage.

TLZ so far allows hotlinking of images because having an image or two showing in somebody's forum signature isn't going to kill the bill. But if a program like this does see the day, we'll set up htaccess blocking so it won't work. And if you manipulate the Referral headers for it to work anyway, I'll have to install an Antileech script so your program can't get the real location of the images at all.

Save us both some time and do this.

Read you later,

« Reply #8 on: 07-15-2005 02:38 »

I see your point. At the moment I have done a basic algorithm of what the program structure follows. It basically runs just like a browser, with a few "glorified" functions.

/* Upon Opening Program */
Load Favorites List

Is Artist Directory Cached? (Check for the file cache/artistdata.dat)
if Yes:
   Load The Cached Data and display in List with out touching the web.

if No:
   Download the page "http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/" excluding images.
   Once downloaded Parse page in to cache and display in list.

/* Refresh List From Server */
Download the page "http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/" excluding images.
Once downloaded Parse page in to cache and display in list.

/* Open Artist 2D Gallery */
Download the page "http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/artistname.shtml" with thumbnails.
Parse and results and cache them along with displaying them to the user.

/* Opening a piece of art in 2D. */
Download image and display to the user in 2D form and then cache, or if already in cache load that.

/* Open Artist 3D Gallery - This function will never touch the web. One it will be impractical to as 3D render times can be CPU intensive and the possibility of downloading 20+ images would take far too long.*/
Load all cached images for that artist
Display using OpenGL.

Ah well, if you don't want me to then I'm not going to waste time trying to ask you to. I'll just use the interface stuff i got done for something else.
RS 2thou

Urban Legend
« Reply #9 on: 07-16-2005 00:59 »

Thats a good idea, but I agree with what Leandro said about the bandwith stealing and it costing extra money. But with it using more bandwith it'll make it painfully slow for those of us with dial up internet connections.

« Reply #10 on: 07-16-2005 02:20 »

Yeah. Well I'm still going to do it, just not using Futurama Madhouse. I'm currently at the moment finding a webhost to use and set up the site. This will be a better alternative because: 1) I will have full control over how the HTML content comes from the site to program. 2) No Legal issues to deal with. 3) Only people who really want their work in the gallery will be in their.

The site will also provide a broswer version of the 2D art, and will be launched a few weeks before the 3D verson is launched.

I have contemplated on making the program basically a browser which downloads juest the text and html data for page and then just displays it the same 2D interface I have created, with more options than available online.
Pikka Bird

Space Pope
« Reply #11 on: 07-18-2005 10:03 »

I don't really see the need for 3d here... Is it because you're practicing to make fancy 3d GUIs for games or something?

« Reply #12 on: 07-18-2005 15:23 »

Partly for the experience of working with 3D, which I have done very little of programmatically, and for something for everyone else to enjoy, but I guess its not as likely anymore.

Anyway I will probably move on to doing some other things, such as Fan Fic's.  I have read a lot of them from TLZ and have inspired in to writing one. I already have a basic idea, which I'm toying with.
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