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Shaucker
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Baby Blues is an adapted newspaper comic...and the comic's much better. Ditto Dilbert and Mission Hill.
Where's Ren & Stimpy? Shouldn't that be up there?
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newhook_1
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I'll say, The Simpsons. The Flintstones were great and all, but besides being in a prime time slot, they weren't really all that different, content wise, from every other cartoon in the 60s era.
The Simpsons really pushed the limit of what was acceptable on a network television cartoon show. If it wasn't for the Simpsons, the content of primetime cartoons would never have gotten beyond the level of the Flintstones, and you wouldn't have a whole bunch of great cartoons in the mid to late 90s (Ren and Stimpy, Bevis and Butthead, Futurama).
The Flintstones on the other hand, while it was a fantastic show, triggered Hanna Babeara's 1970s crap fest.
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Dr. Morberg
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While I wouldn't vote for it, South Park should be on there, for pushing the limits of acceptability on TV. But My vote goes to the Simpsons, for these reasons. (They are my own thoughts! I don't care what you say)!
I'll say, The Simpsons. The Flintstones were great and all, but besides being in a prime time slot, they weren't really all that different, content wise, from every other cartoon in the 60s era. The Simpsons really pushed the limit of what was acceptable on a network television cartoon show. If it wasn't for the Simpsons, the content of primetime cartoons would never have gotten beyond the level of the Flintstones, and you wouldn't have a whole bunch of great cartoons in the mid to late 90s (Ren and Stimpy, Bevis and Butthead, Futurama).
The Flintstones on the other hand, while it was a fantastic show, triggered Hanna Babeara's 1970s crap fest.
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SlaytanicMaggot
Professor
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Space Ghost Coast To Coast? Aqua Teen Hunger Force? Brak Show?
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Shaucker
Professor
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The Flintstones is just a copy of The Honeymooners, which was quite revolutionary in its own.
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Shaucker
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Yeah, but that's all it really was. Some TV guy decided to take Ralph and Alice and stick them in the stone age.
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Nasty Pasty
DOOP Secretary
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Simpsons. Because they're like....yellow.
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Bushmeister
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The Simspons is easily the only one on the list to have set up a precedent still carrying on today, giving the idea that animated series can match live action ones in terms of quality (not that that wasn't true beforehand, just not widely accepted).
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DotheBartman
Liquid Emperor
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I'm not sure about chronologically, but plenty of Hanna Barbara cartoons from the same time had human characters (and still were mostly just "wacky" cartoons, that usually mixed in animal/robot/car type characters as well, including The Flinstones). Hanna Barbara itself was revolutionary (not entirely in a good way, IMO), but The Flinstones was merely a piece of its revolution, if a more important piece. The Flinstones didn't start a revolution on its own, the way The Simpsons did.
Beavis and Butthead...debateable, but it is an important show. It proved that the "adult animation" thing wasn't a fluke (various Nickelodeon shows in the post Simpsons world, like Ren and Stimpy, did push boundries, but were mostly still aimed at children) after a string of network failures (all of which, incidentally, starred mostly animal characters instead of humans, a key mistake). And of course it caused a lot of controversy, albeit not much more then The Simpsons (although unlike The Simpsons it was in fact specifically blamed for accidents, specifically involving fire).
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Beamer
DOOP Secretary
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Obviously The Flinstones was the first ever prime-time sitcom, so of course it deserves a big mention... however, my vote goes to The Simpsons. If it wasn't for that show, none of the other shows (with the obvious exception of The Flinstones) would be here. Although I can't see how some of these shows got on the list... King Of The Hill? Dilbert? Yes, I like both those shows - but they're hardly revolutionary. I think South Park should be on this list, though. While it took a deliberate step backwards animation-wise, it really did revolutionise modern TV censorship. Either way, I'm still voting for The Simpsons.
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Tweek
UberMod
DOOP Secretary
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I voted Futurama as South Park wasn't on the list.
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LAN.gnome
Urban Legend
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Originally posted by SlaytanicMaggot: Space Ghost Coast To Coast? Aqua Teen Hunger Force? Brak Show? If you're asking why those aren't on the list, you need to be slapped. One of those the most revolutionary sitcom ever? Puh-lease.
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DotheBartman
Liquid Emperor
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Originally posted by Beamer:
Although I can't see how some of these shows got on the list... King Of The Hill? Dilbert? Yes, I like both those shows - but they're hardly revolutionary.
To be fair, KOTH is fairly important as prime time animated shows go. Its innovative in the sense that it took The Simpsons' formula, but "hardened" it into something that's consistantly realistic and character based, as opposed to The Simpsons which, especcially starting with season four, often went toward wackier stories and jokes). Agreed about Dilbert though, and Mission Hill and all those other smaller shows that were cancelled. And for those voting for Futurama...don't let personal bias get in your way of sense. I love Futurama to death, but its made very little impact and is thus far notable mainly as a cable rerun hit. Its hardly been "revolutionary", great as it was nonetheless. Perhaps its time will come when it will become a major source of inspiration for other shows, but that time has not come yet.
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Coop
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I'm going to be elite too and nominate and unknown.
The answer is, "Wait Till Your Father Gets Home," which paved the way for every show on earth that followed it.
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Gorky
DOOP Secretary
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The Simpsons, easily. As it's been said, The Flintstones in an animated version of The Honeymooners. The Simpsons, however, paved the way for everything that's come after after it Look at Family Guy or even King of the Hill--even if they aren't "clones" per se, they had the courage to do what they did (for FG being outrageous and for KOTH being character-driven) because of what The Simpsons had accomplished earlier (you could say that Beavis and Butthead also inspired this, but that's debatable). Still, The Simpsons was there first, being the earliest animated show to have empathetical, believable characters and well-written, emotional storylines. When coupled with the fact that it was the funniest show to come along in a while, you can tell that it's something special.
And I agree with DotheBartman, Futurama--no matter how much I love it--isn't truly revolutionary (unless you count the fact that it survived longer than other shows put in the 7:00 death slot).
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