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fryfanSpyOrama

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« on: 05-11-2004 02:53 »
« Last Edit on: 09-09-2004 00:00 »

Jay Ward was the Matt Groening of the 1950's.  He created shows like Rocky and Bullwinkle, George of the Jungle, The Dudley Do-Right Show, Super Chicken and others. Simpsons have episodes where he satirized fairy tales.  Jay Ward had already done that called FRACTURED FAIRY TALES as part of Rocky and Bullwinkle show.


Matt Groening once said that if it wasn't for Rocky and Bullwinkle with its humor and its crappy animation, he wouldn't have developed the Simpsons as well as Futurama.  Both humor from Simpsons and Futurama is influenced from Jay Ward.
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« Reply #1 on: 05-11-2004 13:03 »
« Last Edit on: 05-11-2004 13:03 »

Aren't the Js from Homer, Bart, and Fry's middle names a reference/homage to Jay Ward's characters, who had J as their middle initial (Bullwinkle J Moose, and so forth). I suppose Homer's eventual full middle name (Jay) could also be a reference to Mr. Ward. 

I used to be a fan of Rocky and Bullwinkle (I still have a few tapes sitting around somewhere, I'm sure...), and I used to catch George of the Jungle on Saturday Morning TV...  fun stuff (though, I thought Dudly Do-Right was just a segment on Rocky and Bullwinkle... along with the time travelling dog Mr. Peabody and his sidekick Sherman... man... I really need to dig out those tapes... I'm getting nostalgic...)

edit: after some digging, I learned that Jay Ward also created Cap'n Crunch and Quisp... neat.
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« Reply #2 on: 05-11-2004 15:14 »

Rocky, Bullwinkle, and Dudley Do-Right were actually creatred by a man named Alexander Anderson, who also worked with Ward on the pre-Bullwinkle cartoon Crusader Rabbit.  Before getting involved in cartoons, Ward was a real estate agent, and Anderson went to him because he needed financing.  I'm sure Ward contributed a lot to the characters, but it was Anderson who came up with the original ideas.
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« Reply #3 on: 05-11-2004 22:24 »

I remember watching Rocky and Bullwinkle on Nickelodeon back when i was a really little kid. My favorites were the steriotypically russian communsist bad-guys. They ownz you.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #4 on: 05-12-2004 01:14 »

Those would be BORIS BADENOV A Pottsyvainaian spy who is always wanting to "kill moose and squirrel" and NATASHA FATALE Boris's partner in crime.


Billy West once said that before being attracted to Amy Wong on Futurama, he was attracted to Natasha Fatale.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #5 on: 07-11-2004 23:53 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2004 00:00 »

What does everybody think about the 2000 live action movie of Rocky and Bullwinkle?


Believe it or not Jay Ward bought his own island in 1962.  Why?  He was hoping to make it into a State.
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« Reply #6 on: 07-12-2004 01:21 »

I hate to break this to you, FFSoR, but bumping your own thread, when no one is really interested in the topic, is L.A.M.E.  Last time I checked, it seemed like half of the threads on the first page of TV were of your making, and you were the only major poster in them.  Excuse me for breaking the news, but people just aren't interested in these topics.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #7 on: 07-12-2004 01:55 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2004 01:55 »

Well, evan I understand your opinion and yes people may not be interested in this topic, but I on the other hand am.  So if you have a problem with that, I'm sorry.  And if my bringing up an old thread causes someone to post something (ie what you just did), then it is worth it.
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« Reply #8 on: 07-12-2004 02:15 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
people may not be interested in this topic, but I on the other hand am.

But it's not only this topic. You have done the same thing with at least 7 threads in the first page. And let's not forget the dozens of times that you tried to resurrect your "Connecting Game" and the countless "Best insert actor or director here movies" threads.

I think everybody likes their threads. Who doesn't? If you open a thread, it's because you like what the thread is about. That doesn't mean that it has to be at the first page every time.

Now I'll stop posting in this thread. I just had to post this because it's something that's been bothering me and others for some time.
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« Reply #9 on: 07-12-2004 12:44 »

 
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I remember watching Rocky and Bullwinkle on Nickelodeon back when i was a really little kid.
I was a wee bit young to remember the first airings of R&B ('59 - '61) but from '61 on, I was a die hard viewer and fan getting to watch new episodes as they aired. The stuff became even funnier watching the show as an adult.
We always cited Jay Ward as an influence in the last band I played in (Formaldehyde Blues Train).
The live action movie was semi-alright. definately worth a looksee. DeNiro as Fearless Leader is a treat, and there are lots of great cameos.
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« Reply #10 on: 07-12-2004 16:27 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:


Billy West once said that before being attracted to Amy Wong on Futurama, he was attracted to Natasha Fatale.

Strangely in the commentary for AWitM, Billy said that he had a crush on Lauren Tom, but not Amy (maybe Amy's a little too young for him). Also, Billy (incorrectly) says that Natasha's surname is No-Goodnik.
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« Reply #11 on: 07-12-2004 17:49 »
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
 Strangely in the commentary for AWitM, Billy said that he had a crush on Lauren Tom, but not Amy (maybe Amy's a little too young for him). Also, Billy (incorrectly) says that Natasha's surname is No-Goodnik.


Isn't Lauren married?  I know she's had a few kids, but is she still married?

BTW I think it is messed up people are mad at me for bringing up old threads and not notice the lighter side that I have been using the search engine.  Many threads that I didn't create were threads I found using the search engine.  The James Bond polls are an example of that.  If you notice many people create threads that already exist and that annoys people, all they get is a "It's been done" or "use search engine" and get their threads closed.  Maybe next time you guys see a thread that's been done you should be happy that "At least fryfan uses the search engine to bring old threads back instead of creating threads that already exist."
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« Reply #12 on: 07-12-2004 17:57 »

I think you should learn to have a conversation with what's thrown at you. You can't just go around dominating the conversation in this forum because then you'll look like an asshole.
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« Reply #13 on: 07-12-2004 19:56 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
 "At least fryfan uses the search engine to bring old threads back instead of creating threads that already exist."
I drink a Lowbrow to that!
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« Reply #14 on: 07-13-2004 13:40 »
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
I think it is messed up people are mad at me for bringing up old threads and not notice the lighter side that I have been using the search engine.  Many threads that I didn't create were threads I found using the search engine.  The James Bond polls are an example of that.  If you notice many people create threads that already exist and that annoys people, all they get is a "It's been done" or "use search engine" and get their threads closed.  Maybe next time you guys see a thread that's been done you should be happy that "At least fryfan uses the search engine to bring old threads back instead of creating threads that already exist."
Fryfan, bringing up an old thread is okay if you have something important to say, but you've been bringing up multiple old threads, adding little or no contribution.

I'm not saying that bumping threads is wrong, but if you do it, have something to add.
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« Reply #15 on: 08-18-2004 23:41 »
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I just saw a few episodes of Rocky and Bullwinkle for the first time after many years and I forgot just how funny they really were.

I just wanted to know.  Are any of Jay Ward's cartoons available on DVD? 
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« Reply #16 on: 08-19-2004 07:52 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
I hate to break this to you, FFSoR, but bumping your own thread, when no one is really interested in the topic, is L.A.M.E.  Last time I checked, it seemed like half of the threads on the first page of TV were of your making, and you were the only major poster in them.  Excuse me for breaking the news, but people just aren't interested in these topics.

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« Reply #17 on: 08-21-2004 16:07 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
I just wanted to know.  Are any of Jay Ward's cartoons available on DVD? 

Season 1 of Rocky & Bullwinkle & Frineds is out now.  Season 2 should be coming out soon, as well as some episodes of Fractured Flickers (which isn't a cartoon, but silent footage with new dialouge by the Ward crew).  I've also seen some Underdog discs for rent at my local Blockbuster.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #18 on: 09-09-2004 00:40 »
« Last Edit on: 09-09-2004 00:40 »

At the risk of being called bumpy, I have something relvant to say.  You don't have to post if you don't want to.  Here's a quote from Matt Groening about Rocky and Bullwinkle.

       
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...I think the biggest influence as far as my work in animation was Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Rocky and Bullwinkle was a cartoon that was very cheap looking, but it worked anyway. And I figured that what made this cartoon work was great writing, great voices and great music, and that the animation didn't matter as much.

You may not care, but that isn't the reason why I posted this.  Matt Groening is right; many cartoons I like now, have cheap looking animation, but they have good writing, and other good qualities.

Whole article available:
 http://www.snpp.com/other/interviews/groening94.html

This interview was made, I think, back in 1994.


Also, thank you boingo for the info.

I forgot to mention:

One of my friends who is a bigger Rocky and Bullwinkle fan than me, told me that Matt had thought of remaking Rocky and Bullwinkle for the 90's for FOX, since the old Rocky and Bullwinkle show became popular on Nick. 

However, he couldn't get the rights so he decided to develop Futurama.  Though, I don't believe this rumor myself, but if anybody can offer proof of this, I be turned around on the matter.

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« Reply #19 on: 09-09-2004 17:02 »
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:

One of my friends who is a bigger Rocky and Bullwinkle fan than me, told me that Matt had thought of remaking Rocky and Bullwinkle for the 90's for FOX, since the old Rocky and Bullwinkle show became popular on Nick. 

However, he couldn't get the rights so he decided to develop Futurama.  Though, I don't believe this rumor myself, but if anybody can offer proof of this, I be turned around on the matter.


Too bad. Matt would've done a helluva better job reviving R&B than the well-intended but misguided Universal/Tribeca film did.

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
What does everybody think about the 2000 live action movie of Rocky and Bullwinkle?

It had some good moments (the traditional animated parts by Wild Brain rocked out loud), but it wasn't as witty as the original and the whole idea was that Rocky and Bullwinkle were in the real world, a place forigein (sic) to them, but the "real world" they visited was if anything more cartoony than the world their old adventures took place in.

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
Believe it or not Jay Ward bought his own island in 1962.  Why?  He was hoping to make it into a State.

Yes, I know. It was called "Moosesylania" and inspired 2 Rocky and Bullwinkle adventures (the 2nd of which, "Moosesylania Saved" was Rocky and Bullwinkle's last TV adventure)
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« Reply #20 on: 09-10-2004 00:28 »

You mean Moosylvania.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #21 on: 11-07-2004 02:07 »
« Last Edit on: 11-07-2004 02:07 »

About what that rumor that I mentioned that Matt Groening had a chance to bring back Rocky and Bullwinkle.  I came up with a cast of voice over actors today as to who should play who if the show was going to be remade.  I did based on what I've noticed on TV.

Keith Scott- who played the voice of Bullwinkle J. Moose, Narrator, Cartoon Fearless Leader, Cartoon Boris Badenov in the 2000 movie should come back.

June Foray - Rocky/Cartoon Natasha

if not then I think Tress MacNeille could take her place.  She could also voice Sherman, from Mr. Peabody.

Dan Castellaneta- the voice he did as Grandpa from Hey Arnold would be perfect for Chauntzy and Edgar characters.  He also can sound like Hans Conried who voiced Snidley Whiplash.

Dave Herman- could voice Dudley Do-Right

Tom Kenny has done voices that sound much like Daws Butler, who did voices for The Bullwinkle Show, but was known more for playing the voice of Yogi Bear.
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« Reply #22 on: 11-13-2004 08:51 »

I liked Rocky & Bullwinkle, especially all the side cartoons.  Mr. Peabody, Fractured Fairy Tales, and Aesop's Fables... all good stuff.  It was just an extravaganza of goodness, and the animation was by far the best ever.
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« Reply #23 on: 11-14-2004 02:54 »
« Last Edit on: 11-14-2004 02:54 »

 
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Originally Posted by fryfanSpyOrama
Dan Castellaneta- the voice he did as Grandpa from Hey Arnold.....

He did the voice of Grandpa from that show? Hell, I never knew that. Have to watch the credits more closely next time.
And yes, Jay Ward gave way to the cartoons of today, and I am glad Matt Groening gave a tribute to him by having his character's middle initials be 'J'.

On a side note, does Matt mention the 'J' on any of the Futurama commentaries? If anyone knows which one it is, could you tell me?
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« Reply #24 on: 11-14-2004 03:36 »

One word...

Bull Space Moose Party
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« Reply #25 on: 08-05-2005 21:07 »

 
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Originally posted by KurtPikachu2001:
Besides Bullwinkle, did anyone like Underdog or Tennessee Tuxedo?

I used to like those shows as well.  Are they also available on DVD?
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« Reply #26 on: 08-05-2005 22:58 »

go die!!57678! please
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« Reply #27 on: 08-07-2005 20:52 »

I'm a big Jay Ward fan.  If it wasn't for him, "Life In Hell" may not have been as funny.  Matt Groening most certainly was influenced by Jay Ward as George Lucas was influenced by Joseph Campbell.
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