A long time ago, in a message board far far away.

[Reply #640 on:]

You fucking nerds again, "this one actually looks good..."
I've heard that twice already.
Geez, some people are so hard to please.

Anything with lightsabers is cool, ANYTHING!
They're all zhummmm, zhummmm... .and so on.

[Reply #641 on:]

Lets not judge until we watch the thing in May though.

[Reply #642 on:]

There's simply too much action to have room for errors in cheesiness. From what I have heard the film, it will not only be packed with impressive action, it will have a deep plot with lots of twists and turns that even those that analyzed the OT wouldn't even be expecting.

Yes, it is.

It has it's flaws but, over all it's a good movie. People just didn't understand the statement he was making about the contrast between the times of the republic and the times of the empire(One is a bright and happy universe, the other is grittier and dark). He might have gone over the top with the Jar Jar antics, but that was about it. He just took the movie in a different direction to make a symbolic statement. Other then Jar Jar, the atmosphere of TPM was vital to make Obi-wan's words in ANH about the empire leading to darker times valid. I would be some what confused if everything felt exactly the same. Some people just can't connect the dots and understand the flanneled one's genius.

[Reply #643 on:]

Apparently,  George Lucas wants to eventually release all six Star Wars movies in stunning 3D.   Here be the link. And here be my thoughts: I'm not sure what to think.  On one hand, Star Wars in 3d sounds cool. On the other hand, any movie in 3d sounds kind of cheesy, and this is another excuse for Lucas to play with the OT.  I also have doubts about how well the effect will work on a film that was not filmed with it in mind, though I'm sure the special effects shots can and will be redone (and the rest will look fairly flat).

[Reply #644 on:]

 

Originally stated by Lucas
It looks better than the original, to be honest with you

This man really needs a new hobby.  He keeps thinking that somehow he can make his movie perfect if he just keeps sticking technological widgets on it.  I almost feel sorry for him, because he's going to die not only unsatisfied, but loathed by his own fans as well.

That said, this movement seems to be a bit larger than just Lucasfilm, which means we could be seeing movies that were meant to be 3D as well.  Now that sounds rad.

[Reply #645 on:]

i think if redid his movies in 3D they would be like crap.

[Reply #646 on:]

 

Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
 

Originally stated by Lucas
It looks better than the original, to be honest with you

This man really needs a new hobby.  He keeps thinking that somehow he can make his movie perfect if he just keeps sticking technological widgets on it.  I almost feel sorry for him, because he's going to die not only unsatisfied, but loathed by his own fans as well.

That said, this movement seems to be a bit larger than just Lucasfilm, which means we could be seeing movies that were meant to be 3D as well.  Now that sounds rad.

Yeah. He especially will be hated if he doesn't release all 6 movies in the original formats.

[Reply #647 on:]

I was mad when I got the First Trilogy DVD and it only had the new formats and not the original formats.

[Reply #648 on:]

 

Originally posted by NibblerJr:
 Yeah. He especially will be hated if he doesn't release all 6 movies in the original formats.

He's been pretty consistent so far saying that he won't release the original versions.  I'd gladly buy the originals, but I'm not spending a dime for that altered crap.  Luckily, I have a friend who's a monster Star Wars freak.  He owns the original trilogy on laser disk.  When I get around to it I can make a copy from those.

[Reply #649 on:]

I don't understand the purism thing about Star Wars. People who are hardly passionate about SW constantly complain that George Lucas doesn't have any right to alter his own movies. He does have the right, and I have faith that he knows what he is doing; he is the one who provided you with the OT in the first place. If it's really so holy that it's sacrilege to tamper with it, it should be able to withstand a few minor CGI shots placed here and there and the original will always be available and no one is forcing you to watch. Let others and I "delude" us into enjoying the revised version and just download or buy the originals and let bygones be bygones.

Frankly, I think most casual viewers take their opinions from a portion of the community’s hardcore fans, when I know for a fact that a lot of the community favors certain changes in the OT. For example the Emperor's face in ESB is a Chimp's eye's super-imposed over a woman's face. The change to make the hologram Ian was met with unanimously positive response.

I notice the general public and media tends to sway in whatever direction a portion of the fan base believes in, leading to over generalizations and too many people tending to take opinions from whatever is universally accepted. They managed to do it with the OT revisions, and it will be done with the PT revisions. What I am getting at, is that because of the critical nature of nerds in general, pretty much any move GL makes will be considered negative by the fans, and then spread to the general populace.

[Reply #650 on:]

It's not hard to understand. Lucas can change his movies into whatever form he wished, of course, but it's more then a little inconsiderate to the fans who just want the original's preserved. How hard would it have been to include both the original and special editions in the same set?

Also, fact is, the orginal trilogy's enduring popularity might indicate that the only person who had a real problem with how they are is Lucas himself. For smeg's sack, the films made him rich and famous in their original form! Clearly, people like them as they are!

[Reply #651 on:]

He doesn't have a problem with them, he is just always striving to push to boundries of film making. He doesn't think the OT is bad, he just wants it to be better and better. He has often said the technology available to him in those times weren't sufficient to tell his story. If you spent years and years trying to draw a master piece with sticks and dirt, and pencil and paper were invented the day after you completed, wouldn't you want to go back and redo the same master piece in pencil and paper? George Lucas is always pressuring the film industry in general to push forward in technology, using CGI and digital prints and ect.

The films as they were will always have a place, I have both the the original OT on VHS and the new on DVD. You don't have to throw away your past, but sometimes it's just good to move ahead into the future.


EDIT: Before you jump down my throat saying I'm too young to remeber the OT as it once was, I've watched it in it's original form since I was three.

[Reply #652 on:]

If he was just cleaning up effects, most people wouldn't mind. But what scenes are complained about? The Greedo scene. Luke's scream in ESB. Hayden's appearence in ROTJ. It's not the new effects people complain about, it's the revisionist approach to old scenes that really didn't need touching up. Why, for the love of God, did he make Greedo shoot first? Why did he add that scream sample to Luke's fall? (The same one that was used during the Emperor's fall, I might add. For extra confusion.) Why did he take scenes that noone had a problem with, and make them worse? These changes had nothing to do with technology. It's the absent minded meddlings of a man who just can't leave well enough alone.

EDIT: I saw it them on television when I was about nine or ten. I'm not an old school Star Wars fan, I just think that their complaints have some justification.

[Reply #653 on:]

Hayden's appearance at the end of ROTJ seemed pretty easy to understand, to bridge to OT to the PT and to drive home the fact that it's Anakin's redemption. Assuming one watches the films in order, Hayden's portrayal is the last innocent version of Anakin the viewer would see.

I think I could understand the motive behind making Han fire in self-defense, and I agree it does look flawed, but in the end, this and Luke's scream as he feel into the shaft at Bespin fails to gum the works of the film and become the root of any major qualms about the ANH and ESB. They are simply too insignificant.

EDIT: The talent of preserving yourself through the force isn't revealed yet, so Anakin might have become a ghost image of that particular age for a reason. He might have preserved his spirit as the Jedi identity Anakin Skywalker and not as the Sith Darth Vader. Thus GL changes the OT to reflect that.

[Reply #654 on:]

 

Hayden's appearance at the end of ROTJ seemed pretty easy to understand, to bridge to OT to the PT and to drive home the fact that it's Anakin's redemption. Assuming one watches the films in order, Hayden's portrayal is the last innocent version of Anakin the viewer would see.

Oh, I understand. I just don't agree. I personally like the idea of Anakin's ghost being Anakin as he should've been, rather then the SE's idea of Anakin as he was. Anakin as he should be has accepted his flaws and sins, and has overcome them. Anakin as he was is annoying. 


 

I think I could understand the motive behind making Han fire in self-defense, and I agree it does look flawed, but in the end, this and Luke's scream as he feel into the shaft at Bespin fails to gum the works of the film and become the root of any major qualms about the ANH and ESB. They are simply too insignificant.

Well, here's the thing: even though they're not that large a change, if you have a version of the movie where these changes are absent these changes that one might find annoying, you might end up prefering the version you know and love to that one with the changes (some good, some bad).

As I said, he can change them if he wants, but he can't expect people to agree with his changes. At the end of the day, Lucas makes films for no one but himself, which is admirable, in a way. But some recogition for his fanbase is not too much to ask, I don't think.

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My problem isn't that he's updating the films with new effects and technology, but that he's completely ignoring the originals and refusing to ever let them see the light of day again, despite it being exactly what the fans want. I also take issue with him changing the OT to match the changes he made in the prequels.  Things such as inserting Hayden, adding Naboo and prominent Coruscant buildings to the ROTJ end sequence, adding dialogue in ESB, and getting the actor who did Jango to re-dub Fett's lines are not part of his original vision, but rather an excuse for sloppy filmmaking. Things that, as SJM said, nobody had ANY problem with before.  If you can't make the prequels fit in with the classic movies, you should change the new ones before anyone has seen them, not play around with the old ones that everyone knows and loves.  The fact that he took away Luke's scream that he put in in the special edition really makes me wonder about his whole "original vision" claim.  Bah!

Jeepers, that's the most stereotypically nerdy I've been in a while... Time to get back to cursing Bill Gates from my parent's basement while watching Star Trek with Vulcan ears on.  Farewell, humans!

[Reply #656 on:]

I just hope Lucas won't do anymore changes...

[Reply #657 on:]

I don't him to make any changes that affect/effect(stupid look alike words!) the movies. Hayden being added wasn't too much and adding the other things at the end of ROTJ wasn't too much bad, but something like him making Han Solo die or something like that would just be ridiculus!

And I'm so mad that the original OT isn't out. I would love to see the old movies in the original form.

[Reply #658 on:]

"We like to think of it as 'Titanic' in space"

[Reply #659 on:]

Hmmm, I just read the new Clone Wars season will start on March 21st, 5 new episodes, 12 minutes long.
Supposingly directly tied in to the opening scenes of ROTS, by request of Lucas himself.
Wahey!

[Reply #660 on:]

 

Originally posted by ShortRoundMcfly:
The films as they were will always have a place, I have both the the original OT on VHS and the new on DVD. You don't have to throw away your past, but sometimes it's just good to move ahead into the future.

They should have a place on my DVD player, but Lucas insists on being a prick by not releasing the original cut.  If he didn't want to throw away the past he'd release them both and let the fans decide what they want to watch.  Instead he's apparently content to let people's VHS copies of the originals rot over time and disappear.  Releasing both versions would only make him more money, so I don't see what the problem is.  That way Lucas can move ahead into the future with his mangled version and I can watch the original which I feel is just great the way it is.  There's no rational reason for this not to happen.

[Reply #661 on:]

That proves that Lucas is more of an Egotistical Moron that a stupid Money Hungry whore.

[Reply #662 on:]

   

Originally posted by bankrupt:
 They should have a place on my DVD player, but Lucas insists on being a prick by not releasing the original cut.  If he didn't want to throw away the past he'd release them both and let the fans decide what they want to watch.  Instead he's apparently content to let people's VHS copies of the originals rot over time and disappear.  Releasing both versions would only make him more money, so I don't see what the problem is.  That way Lucas can move ahead into the future with his mangled version and I can watch the original which I feel is just great the way it is.  There's no rational reason for this not to happen.

I just watched them on DVD yesterday, the changes are too subtle to notice half of the time, and most of them just stop the movie from looking too goofy like the english language written everywhere on the death star. I really don't see your problem, it's the same friggin' movies with one or two new scenes each and maybe four more altered ones. Unless you are the most anal person on earth, it won't markedly lower your satisfaction.

Even those who find the alterations that are few and far between annoying will find that the DVD quality is worth it. So I don't see why you couldn't buy the DVD's. I don't even agree with all of the changes, but I don't think anyone even agrees with all of the old scenes 100% or with 100% of all scenes with any movie.

That proves that Lucas is more of an Egotistical Moron that a stupid Money Hungry whore.

If it's true then you don't have to await or watch any of the movies with an "Egostistical Moron" at the helm. Nor discuss them, basher.

[Reply #663 on:]

Oh go suck off Jar Jar Binks.

[Reply #664 on:]

 

Originally posted by ShortRoundMcfly:
   I just watched them on DVD yesterday, the changes are too subtle to notice half of the time, and most of them just stop the movie from looking too goofy like the english language written everywhere on the death star.

That's your opinion, which I don't happen share.  I say that the changes don't need to be there regardless of whether or not they are considered "too subtle" by you, me, or anyone else.  The originals were just fine they way they were.


 

I really don't see your problem, it's the same friggin' movies with one or two new scenes each and maybe four more altered ones. Unless you are the most anal person on earth, it won't markedly lower your satisfaction.

Hell, Greedo shooting first is enough on its own to markedly lower my satisfation.  If that makes me an anal person, then there are a lot of other anal Star Wars fans out there (including a few in this thread).

 

Even those who find the alterations that are few and far between annoying will find that the DVD quality is worth it. So I don't see why you couldn't buy the DVD's.

 I'd be happy to buy the DVDs if they contained the original cuts along with the altered ones.  There's no reason this couldn't have been done.  G.L. would make more money and all the fans would be happy.  Lucas won't give the me product I want, so I won't buy the product.  It's George Lucas' right to do as he pleases with his creation, but I don't have to spend my money on it. 

[Reply #665 on:]

   

That's your opinion, which I don't happen share. I say that the changes don't need to be there regardless of whether or not they are considered "too subtle" by you, me, or anyone else. The originals were just fine they way they were.

Do you really think that those minor changes will ruin the movie? Blink and you'll miss most of them. I'm saying that even if you think negatively of them, it's still not a reason to dislike the movie. Surely you don't like every single last scene in the OT, does that mean you will refuse to take a look at them because of minor annoyances? Even if you don't like the new scenes, the distinction between whether or not they are old or new shouldn't be drawn because they don't effect the over all quality of the movie.

   

Hell, Greedo shooting first is enough on its own to markedly lower my satisfation.

I'll tell you a little story. Yesterday when I watched that scene with my two brothers, and they asked me about why it looked so choppy. I preceded to tell them the entire legendary story of that scene and how much everyone hates it and how it had been altered. We had a good laugh at the cheesiness of the scene, then lo and behold, we managed to sit down and watch the rest of it without puking in disgust and cursing George's name. Learn to get over it.

   

If that makes me an anal person, then there are a lot of other anal Star Wars fans out there (including a few in this thread).

I've noticed it's quite prominent.

See my above comments about the insiginificants of this scene.


   

I'd be happy to buy the DVDs if they contained the original cuts along with the altered ones. There's no reason this couldn't have been done. G.L. would make more money and all the fans would be happy. Lucas won't give the me product I want, so I won't buy the product. It's George Lucas' right to do as he pleases with his creation, but I don't have to spend my money on it.

Maybe he actually wanted to have some vision for his story and bring the public a slightly altered movie in good spirit and to tell a tale of what might have been had he had bigger budget. He should have done what all of you have villanized him for and try and earn the maximum amount of cash. Puh-leez. First he is only interested in marketing his movies, then you claim he doesn't have the ferocity to market them. Make up you minds.

EDIT: 

Oh go suck off Jar Jar Binks.

I don't really care because that's an immature comment about a fictitious character that I don't even like; but aren't you supposed to be some kind of moderator? Correct me if I am wrong.

[Reply #666 on:]

 

Originally posted by ShortRoundMcfly:
aren't you supposed to be some kind of moderator?

Over my dead body.

[Reply #667 on:]

    

Classic ShortRound. Classic.

[Reply #668 on:]

Why, you're no Star Wars nerd!
On the topic of the changes to Star Wars, I'm a pretty huge fan of the movie trilogy, and I personally didn't really care about most of the changes. Changing it to Greedo shoots first was pretty stupid, but I don't start foaming at the mouth whenever somebody brings it up. Granted, I've never actually seen the original scene, but still...

[Reply #669 on:]

Oh great, a Leelaholic of Star Wars. I hate these die hards so much.

So if Lucas isn't in it for the money now, then how come we have major waves of SW products being produced with the movies ever since Episode V?

EDIT: Don't bait the troll Nurdy.

[Reply #670 on:]

Dude, people want Star Wars toys.
He gets complaints about him being in it for the money because there are toys, but he'd get complaints if there weren't any.

[Reply #671 on:]

Who'd be mad enough to buy a Jar Jar Binks action figuire though?

[Reply #672 on:]

Idiots (also known as children).

[Reply #673 on:]

 

Originally posted by Nurdbot:
Oh great, a Leelaholic of Star Wars. I hate these die hards so much.

So if Lucas isn't in it for the money now, then how come we have major waves of SW products being produced with the movies ever since Episode V?

EDIT: Don't bait the troll Nurdy.

Because kids want them because they're cool. The argument that he makes everything so flashy to sell toys is so outdated. Would you be happy if he took away any of the weapons, gadgets, and characters that make the movie interesting so as not to cheapen them with toy sales?

Also, George Lucas isn't the only franchise that markets toys. The Lord of the rings series did it, so did many other movies in the past since as long as I can remember. It's not some kind of dirty scheme, making money is just what companies do.

Can we please get away from this subject so I can stop ranting like a mad man?

[Reply #674 on:]

I finally caught the Episode III trailer today, and I'm not salivating over it, but I'll probably still see the movie opening weekend. III looks quite a bit darker, hopefully, than the previous few...I hope Lucas is right when he admits that it might be 'too scary' for children, because the series really needs a solid intense film to end the first triology.

But perhaps I've been ruined by LotR and other fantasy-type films, but I don't have as much enthusiasm for SW as I suppose I should. I mean, I don't like the Clone Wars shorts, because they're too short and there's never enough time to build up a real plot. Perhaps if I ever rent the dvd I would care more, but right now...eh.

[Reply #675 on:]

The new Clone Wars shorts are 12 minutes long now.

And Yoda kicked some major droid ass in the one tonight...

[Reply #676 on:]

 

Originally posted by M0le:
Why, you're no Star Wars nerd!
On the topic of the changes to Star Wars, I'm a pretty huge fan of the movie trilogy, and I personally didn't really care about most of the changes. Changing it to Greedo shoots first was pretty stupid, but I don't start foaming at the mouth whenever somebody brings it up. Granted, I've never actually seen the original scene, but still...

That's the real crime in not making the originals available: There are kids like M0le who have never seen Star Wars the way that it was originally meant to be seen, and probably never will.

[Reply #677 on:]

M0le, I heard you mention else where you had Kazaa. If you want you could probably find the original copies there.

[Reply #678 on:]

I might have been mentioning somewhere else that I didn't have Kazaa.
Dave A: [Angsty Teen]I'm not a kid! I'm sixteen![/Angsty Teen]

[Reply #679 on:]

I saw the original Trilogy when I was a toddler.. Then, I didn't care about order, so I watched them however I liked. I thought the Empire Strikes back was the last movie :/

Now what is this hubbub of Greedo firing first? If I remember from the movie, Han Solo fried his ass with one shot.