Nurdbot
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You could always get AOL and see it for nothing.
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Nasty Pasty
DOOP Secretary
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@newhook:I highly doubt that anyone who will be seeing EpisodeIII will not have seen the original trilogy.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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If you have children, force them to watch the classics first. Then the new trilogy.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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I bet Chewbacca will be in Episode III, and if he's a kid just as annoying as Anakin and Boba god help us. God help us all.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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Thank you god, thank you!
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Bender_Waffles
Starship Captain
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« Reply #454 on: 11-07-2004 19:24 »
« Last Edit on: 11-07-2004 19:24 »
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
So going by what we see in the traioler, what do you think, we know Anakin and Obi Wan are duelin', I think Mace and Dooku are too (?) So do you think Yoda duels with Darth Sidious or what? Spoilerized, trailer stuff and predicting stuff. I always thought that Boba Fett killed Mace. But i think Yoda dueling with the emperor would kick so much ass. Anyway, I just saw the trailer and I think that this could be an awesome movie. I'm one of those people that actually liked Episode II. I didnt think it was as good as Empire Strikes back but come on, any movie with Yoda in a lightsaber fight is ok in my eyes. ------------------ <small></small>
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Nurdbot
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Nah, Mace PWNED Jango.
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evan
Urban Legend
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« Reply #456 on: 11-07-2004 19:30 »
« Last Edit on: 11-07-2004 19:30 »
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Supposedly Boba Fett should still be a kid by Episode III. He's only about 10 years old in Episode II, so he's not going to be old enough to fight Mace Windu. From what I've read of spoilers, it's Anakin who duels with, and may eventually kill, Mace Windu. Also, from what I read, Anakin kills Dooku to become the Emperor's right hand. As for newhook's idea that revealing Anakin is Darth Vader ruins ESB, I have to disagree. First off, I doubt anyone's going to watch I - III before IV - VI. Even if they did, finding out Darth Vader's identity won't ruin the situation: it's dramatic irony that we know something the character (Luke) doesn't. Anyone who watched episode III will know who Anakin becomes. edited because I inserted an extra negative.
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newhook_1
Urban Legend
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« Reply #458 on: 11-07-2004 19:50 »
« Last Edit on: 11-07-2004 19:50 »
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Originally posted by evan:
As for newhook's idea that revealing Anakin is Darth Vader ruins ESB, I have to disagree. First off, I doubt anyone's going to watch I - III before IV - VI.
I'm not saying it will ruin ESB I'm saying that it ruins the impact of the moment when Vader reveils that he is Anakin to Luke. No doubt about the fact that most people will have seen ESB by the time they've seen episode III anyway, but I'm really into writing and litirature and stuff, so things like this just bug me alot. My issue was the fact that Episode III technically comes eariler in the series than ESB, dispite the fact that is was released later. Wouldn't be a problem if the films weren't written like they were released before the OT and like they were released after at the same time. Lucas himself says he doesn't intend to show the jump to hyperspace from a cockpit perspective because he didn't want to ruin the feeling of the first jump in ANH, and yet he's doing this with the whole Vader thing which is a perfect example of this. Even if they did, finding out Darth Vader's identity won't ruin the situation: it's dramatic irony that we know something the character (Luke) doesn't. That's a good point, and it does work to some extent on that level, but personally I think that it works better with Yoda when Luke doesn't know who he is upon meeting him in ESB. I've always viewed Vader's line as a huge "OMG! WTF?" moment. Oh well, I'll still see episode III anyway. Agree to disagree. Anyone who watched episode III will not know who Anakin becomes. Not sure what you mean here. Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama: Also, newhook_1, the entire point of the prequel trilogy is to chronicle the fall of Anakin Skywalker. I admit, they could have gotten away without showing the precise connection (and in fact, there's no certain evidence that they make the connection explicit) but I agree with Comrade Nurdbot: make the young ones watch the originals first. They show it in the trailer though, which kind of suggests it will be a big part of the movie. As you said, they could have done it without showing a specific connection, it would still be about the fall of Anakin, they could still show him turn to the dark side, but when he's "killed" by Obi Wan, and Palpitine needs a new right hand man, one of his cohorts suggests a new guy, and Palpitine says somthing like "Actually,I had someone else in mind. Lord Vader, please come in.", Vader walks in and the stage is set. Keep in mind that I'm merely going on what we know from the 5 movies released so far, Lucas may come up with something completly out of right feild and blow me away, but I'd doubt it judging by the first two movies in the PT. As I said to Evan, I think we're going to have to more or less agree to disagree here, as it's pretty much a matter of opinion.
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Nerd-o-rama
Urban Legend
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I meant that the trailer doesn't show that Anakin=Vader, (well, it does, but by using Ep.IV clips) and we can't assume that the movie does so explicitly just because we all know it's true.
But then, it would be hard to explain to someone watching chronologically why Obi-wan tells Luke that Vader killed his father if it was, in fact, Obi (and I'm postive they'll show that.) The n00bs would probably assume the Obi's a lying bastard, which would take away from his character somewhat. Oh, Hell.[/tangent]
And the only stuff Lucas comes up with out of left field is stuff he puts in just to piss off Expanded Universe fans. If I were Timothy Zahn or especially Kevin J. Anderson, who came up with more Jedi history than Lucas could have possibly imagined, I'd have sued his ass after Episode I. I'd have lost, but I still would have done it. Oh, Hell.[/rant]
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David A
Space Pope
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron: But, yes, Lucas ignoring the EU does annoy me a lot. But, it's his franchise, so we just have to deal. It wouldn't annoy me if not for the fact that Lucas once made such a big deal about not ignoring the EU stuff. It would have been easy for Lucas to say that none of the comic books and novels are canon. Instead, he insisted that there be one official Star Wars continuity, and that all published Star Wars works fit into it. The various Star Wars authors over the years have been careful not only to avoid contradicting the original trilogy, but also to avoid contradicting each other. The least Lucas could do would be to show them the same courtesy.
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Yak Face
Crustacean
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Originally posted by newhook_1: What?!? They're revealing that Anikin is Vader in episode 3? *Brain explodes from poor screen writing*
Even if they don’t reveal that Anakin becomes Vader in Episode III: Obi-wan from “A New Hope”: A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights.
Kenobi blows his cover. Unless of course Lucas changes the line for the 30th Anniversary DVDs… And digitally sticks Ewan McGregor over Alec Guinness… And instead of even getting shot by Han, Greedo dies from a sudden heart condition… No matter what Episode III turns out to be like, the best way to watch the saga will always be in the order in which they were made.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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It is pretty obvious to know who Vader was if you listen to OAP Obi Wan's hints.
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Nixorbo
UberMod
DOOP Secretary
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The thing is, you're looking at it from a distorted position. Coming from seeing episodes 4-6, you see Luke, Leia, Han, etc as the main characters. But that's not the way it was intended to be seen. If episodes 4-6 were intended from the beginning to be seen first, they wouldn't have been numbered 4-6.
Now, if you watch the movies, for the first time, in chronological order, Anakin Vader is the main character. The overarching storyline is not the struggle against the Empire, but rather the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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Maybe he's waiting to see Episode III...
Then maybe he'll do it?
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David A
Space Pope
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Originally posted by Nixorbo: The thing is, you're looking at it from a distorted position. Coming from seeing episodes 4-6, you see Luke, Leia, Han, etc as the main characters. But that's not the way it was intended to be seen. Right. Lucas always intended it to be the way it is now. That's why he had to make so many changes to the original trilogy to make it fit the prequels. Now, if you watch the movies, for the first time, in chronological order, Anakin Vader is the main character. The overarching storyline is not the struggle against the Empire, but rather the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Luke is the main character. The overarching storyline is the redemption of Luke's father. Originally posted by Nurdbot: By the way, here's a quick fix for those who say Episodes I-III have better technology than the original trilogy.
I expect the Republic may have had a massive Science Grant that funded many things, when Palpatine took over most of the money was spent on the Military. Problem solved. Wouldn't that result in better military technology (i.e. better ships and weapons)?
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Nerd-o-rama
Urban Legend
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Well, they have better (or at least bigger) warships, and an assload of soldiers (hey, even clones gotta get paid, and the hired officers gotta get paid even more.) Mostly, though, I think Palpatine took the 1944 Hitler route - blew all his resources on superweapons. I mean, even if he'd already got the Death Star's designs, it would still cost an incredible amount of money to build and staff.
In other words, not a lot of development in, say, the small arms market, but plenty on capital ships and ludicrously big laser cannons.
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RavenStar
Professor
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one random thing: I'd hate to be the guy who does Vader's taxes.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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I'd hate to be the guy who does the Empire's Audits. Sheesh.
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Nurdbot
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The idea was funny though, I had an image of Palpatine trying to explain the Deathstar and the fact he's building a second one after that to a very cynical auditor. Who's invincible. And goes Mmm-hmmm a lot.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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M0le: Brilliant!
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