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Nurdbot

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« Reply #440 on: 11-07-2004 09:01 »

You could always get AOL and see it for nothing.
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« Reply #441 on: 11-07-2004 09:05 »
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Oh yeah, and it's not the movie, but...

 http://www.lucasarts.com/ep3/ .

Trailer for the video game tie in. It'll give you an idea of some of the scenes that might appear in the movie. There's a few spoilers, so approach with caution.
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« Reply #442 on: 11-07-2004 09:52 »

 
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You could always get AOL and see it for nothing.
Or just click here.
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« Reply #443 on: 11-07-2004 12:29 »
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What?!? They're revealing that Anikin is Vader in episode 3?
*Brain explodes from poor screen writing*

Imagine how much impact that's going to take out of episode V for those new to Star Wars and are watching them all in order. I know it may be some what popculture knowladge, but it is still bad writing. We should think that Anikin is dead at the end of Episode III, that Obi Wan killed him, and he's lying to Luke by telling him that Vader killed Anikin in episode IV. Not to say we shouldn't see Vader in episode III, we should still be introduced to him, but just not told that it's actually Anikin. The little "I am your father." would be like the biggest bombshell ever.
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« Reply #444 on: 11-07-2004 12:53 »

 
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You could always get AOL and see it for nothing.
I couldn't get it to work on AOL, thankfully it was easy to find a bittorrent that worked  big grin

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« Reply #445 on: 11-07-2004 13:04 »

@newhook:I highly doubt that anyone who will be seeing EpisodeIII will not have seen the original trilogy.
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« Reply #446 on: 11-07-2004 16:20 »

If you have children, force them to watch the classics first. Then the new trilogy.
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« Reply #447 on: 11-07-2004 16:58 »
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:
@newhook:I highly doubt that anyone who will be seeing EpisodeIII will not have seen the original trilogy.

That in no way changes the fact that it's horrible, horrible writing. Foreshadowing is fine, but this is just taking a shit on The Empire Strikes Back's most important moment.
I know the point of veiw you're coming from, but I still say Lucas is stupidly thorwing away one of the greatest plot twists of all time. It's no longer a plot twist if you're supposed know Vader is Luke's father going into the movie. Do you understand what I'm saying? The way that the OT was written, you weren't supposed to know that Vader was actually Anikin. The fact that you know now when you watch ESB does not matter, because the movie was written as if you didn't know so it's still a huge plot twist. That just gets obliterated now with Episode III. It's really hard to explain, and I'm not a good teacher, but I hope you can see where I'm coming from.
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« Reply #448 on: 11-07-2004 17:03 »
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Spoilerized, trailer stuff and predicting stuff.
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« Reply #449 on: 11-07-2004 18:12 »

I bet Chewbacca will be in Episode III, and if he's a kid just as annoying as Anakin and Boba god help us. God help us all.
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« Reply #450 on: 11-07-2004 18:24 »

Nope, he looks pretty grown up to me (assuming that's him on the right).

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« Reply #451 on: 11-07-2004 18:51 »

Thank you god, thank you!

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« Reply #452 on: 11-07-2004 18:53 »

Just get the trailer from the link up yonder near top 'o the page.
The best quality vid is 25MB, lowest is about 5MB...
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« Reply #453 on: 11-07-2004 19:09 »

Chewbacca is almost 100 years old in Episode 4. Wookies live alot longer than humans, see the Han Solo trilogy by Brian Daley.
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« Reply #454 on: 11-07-2004 19:24 »
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
Spoilerized, trailer stuff and predicting stuff.


I always thought that Boba Fett killed Mace. But i think Yoda dueling with the emperor would kick so much ass.

Anyway, I just saw the trailer and I think that this could be an awesome movie. I'm one of those people that actually liked Episode II. I didnt think it was as good as Empire Strikes back but come on, any movie with Yoda in a lightsaber fight is ok in my eyes.


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« Reply #455 on: 11-07-2004 19:25 »

Nah, Mace PWNED Jango.
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« Reply #456 on: 11-07-2004 19:30 »
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Supposedly Boba Fett should still be a kid by Episode III.  He's only about 10 years old in Episode II, so he's not going to be old enough to fight Mace Windu. 

As for newhook's idea that revealing Anakin is Darth Vader ruins ESB, I have to disagree.  First off, I doubt anyone's going to watch I - III before IV - VI.  Even if they did, finding out Darth Vader's identity won't ruin the situation:  it's dramatic irony that we know something the character (Luke) doesn't.  Anyone who watched episode III will know who Anakin becomes.

edited because I inserted an extra negative.
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« Reply #457 on: 11-07-2004 19:42 »
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I heard a rumor that Anakin kills Mace...but then again, I think that was in this thread about 7 pages ago.

Also, newhook_1, the entire point of the prequel trilogy is to chronicle the fall of Anakin Skywalker.  I admit, they could have gotten away without showing the precise connection (and in fact, there's no certain evidence that they make the connection explicit) but I agree with Comrade Nurdbot: make the young ones watch the originals first.
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« Reply #458 on: 11-07-2004 19:50 »
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Originally posted by evan:

As for newhook's idea that revealing Anakin is Darth Vader ruins ESB, I have to disagree.  First off, I doubt anyone's going to watch I - III before IV - VI. 

I'm not saying it will ruin ESB I'm saying that it ruins the impact of the moment when Vader reveils that he is Anakin to Luke. No doubt about the fact that most people will have seen ESB by the time they've seen episode III anyway, but I'm really into writing and litirature and stuff, so things like this just bug me alot. My issue was the fact that Episode III technically comes eariler in the series than ESB, dispite the fact that is was released later. Wouldn't be a problem if the films weren't written like they were released before the OT and like they were released after at the same time. Lucas himself says he doesn't intend to show the jump to hyperspace from a cockpit perspective because he didn't want to ruin the feeling of the first jump in ANH, and yet he's doing this with the whole Vader thing which is a perfect example of this.

 
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Even if they did, finding out Darth Vader's identity won't ruin the situation:  it's dramatic irony that we know something the character (Luke) doesn't.

That's a good point, and it does work to some extent on that level, but personally I think that it works better with Yoda when Luke doesn't know who he is upon meeting him in ESB. I've always viewed Vader's line as a huge "OMG! WTF?" moment. Oh well, I'll still see episode III anyway. Agree to disagree.

       
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Anyone who watched episode III will not know who Anakin becomes.

Not sure what you mean here.

     
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Also, newhook_1, the entire point of the prequel trilogy is to chronicle the fall of Anakin Skywalker.  I admit, they could have gotten away without showing the precise connection (and in fact, there's no certain evidence that they make the connection explicit) but I agree with Comrade Nurdbot: make the young ones watch the originals first.

They show it in the trailer though, which kind of suggests it will be a big part of the movie. As you said, they could have done it without showing a specific connection, it would still be about the fall of Anakin, they could still show him turn to the dark side, but when he's "killed" by Obi Wan, and Palpitine needs a new right hand man, one of his cohorts suggests a new guy, and Palpitine says somthing like "Actually,I had someone else in mind. Lord Vader, please come in.", Vader walks in and the stage is set. Keep in mind that I'm merely going on what we know from the 5 movies released so far, Lucas may come up with something completly out of right feild and blow me away, but I'd doubt it judging by the first two movies in the PT.
As I said to Evan, I think we're going to have to more or less agree to disagree here, as it's pretty much a matter of opinion.
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« Reply #459 on: 11-07-2004 21:14 »

I meant that the trailer doesn't show that Anakin=Vader, (well, it does, but by using Ep.IV clips) and we can't assume that the movie does so explicitly just because we all know it's true.

But then, it would be hard to explain to someone watching chronologically why Obi-wan tells Luke that Vader killed his father if it was, in fact, Obi (and I'm postive they'll show that.)  The n00bs would probably assume the Obi's a lying bastard, which would take away from his character somewhat.  Oh, Hell.[/tangent]

And the only stuff Lucas comes up with out of left field is stuff he puts in just to piss off Expanded Universe fans.  If I were Timothy Zahn or especially Kevin J. Anderson, who came up with more Jedi history than Lucas could have possibly imagined, I'd have sued his ass after Episode I.  I'd have lost, but I still would have done it.  Oh, Hell.[/rant]
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« Reply #460 on: 11-07-2004 21:27 »

Actually, Lucas came up with some of the basic plot points for Anderson's Tales of the Jedi comic series. The specifics were left to Anderson, but the idea of the Sith, and some other stuff (I admit, my brain's a little fuzzy on the details) were Lucas.

But, yes, Lucas ignoring the EU does annoy me a lot. But, it's his franchise, so we just have to deal.
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« Reply #461 on: 11-08-2004 01:14 »

 
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But, yes, Lucas ignoring the EU does annoy me a lot. But, it's his franchise, so we just have to deal.

It wouldn't annoy me if not for the fact that Lucas once made such a big deal about not ignoring the EU stuff.  It would have been easy for Lucas to say that none of the comic books and novels are canon.  Instead, he insisted that there be one official Star Wars continuity, and that all published Star Wars works fit into it.  The various Star Wars authors over the years have been careful not only to avoid contradicting the original trilogy, but also to avoid contradicting each other.  The least Lucas could do would be to show them the same courtesy.
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« Reply #462 on: 11-08-2004 02:09 »
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George Lucas, he has has fallen to the Darkside that is for certain. Quicker than Anakin at any rate.

Fame leads to power, power leads to greed. greed leads to money and money leads to introducing goddamn annoying characters like Jar Jar Binks in the prequals 30 years later and smashing the 30 year old and still expanding UE.
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« Reply #463 on: 11-08-2004 04:30 »

 
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What?!? They're revealing that Anikin is Vader in episode 3?
*Brain explodes from poor screen writing*

Even if they don’t reveal that Anakin becomes Vader in Episode III:

 
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Obi-wan from “A New Hope”:
A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights.

Kenobi blows his cover.

Unless of course Lucas changes the line for the 30th Anniversary DVDs…

And digitally sticks Ewan McGregor over Alec Guinness…

And instead of even getting shot by Han, Greedo dies from a sudden heart condition…

No matter what Episode III turns out to be like, the best way to watch the saga will always be in the order in which they were made.
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« Reply #464 on: 11-08-2004 04:35 »

It is pretty obvious to know who Vader was if you listen to OAP Obi Wan's hints. 
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« Reply #465 on: 11-08-2004 10:54 »

The thing is, you're looking at it from a distorted position.  Coming from seeing episodes 4-6, you see Luke, Leia, Han, etc as the main characters.  But that's not the way it was intended to be seen.  If episodes 4-6 were intended from the beginning to be seen first, they wouldn't have been numbered 4-6.

Now, if you watch the movies, for the first time, in chronological order, Anakin Vader is the main character.  The overarching storyline is not the struggle against the Empire, but rather the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. 
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« Reply #466 on: 11-08-2004 11:50 »
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By the way, here's a quick fix for those who say Episodes I-III have better technology than the original trilogy.

I expect the Republic may have had a massive Science Grant that funded many things, when Palpatine took over most of the money was spent on the Military. Problem solved.
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« Reply #467 on: 11-08-2004 11:52 »

Wow.  That was unsolicited.

By the way, what happened to the PEEL Wars thingy.  I thought you were making a separate thread for that...or did it get Nixed?
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« Reply #468 on: 11-08-2004 12:39 »

Maybe he's waiting to see Episode III...

Then maybe he'll do it?
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« Reply #469 on: 11-08-2004 16:14 »

 
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The thing is, you're looking at it from a distorted position.  Coming from seeing episodes 4-6, you see Luke, Leia, Han, etc as the main characters.  But that's not the way it was intended to be seen.

Right.  Lucas always intended it to be the way it is now.  That's why he had to make so many changes to the original trilogy to make it fit the prequels.   roll eyes

 
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Now, if you watch the movies, for the first time, in chronological order, Anakin Vader is the main character.  The overarching storyline is not the struggle against the Empire, but rather the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker.

Luke is the main character.  The overarching storyline is the redemption of Luke's father.

 
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By the way, here's a quick fix for those who say Episodes I-III have better technology than the original trilogy.

I expect the Republic may have had a massive Science Grant that funded many things, when Palpatine took over most of the money was spent on the Military. Problem solved.

Wouldn't that result in better military technology (i.e. better ships and weapons)?

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
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« Reply #470 on: 11-08-2004 16:25 »

Well, they have better (or at least bigger) warships, and an assload of soldiers (hey, even clones gotta get paid, and the hired officers gotta get paid even more.)  Mostly, though, I think Palpatine took the 1944 Hitler route - blew all his resources on superweapons.  I mean, even if he'd already got the Death Star's designs, it would still cost an incredible amount of money to build and staff.

In other words, not a lot of development in, say, the small arms market, but plenty on capital ships and ludicrously big laser cannons.
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« Reply #471 on: 11-08-2004 17:12 »

one random thing: I'd hate to be the guy who does Vader's taxes.

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« Reply #472 on: 11-08-2004 19:07 »

I'd hate to be the guy who does the Empire's Audits. Sheesh.
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« Reply #473 on: 11-08-2004 19:21 »

The Empire needs no audits.  After all, where's that money going to go to?  The Imperial Government?
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« Reply #474 on: 11-08-2004 19:37 »
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Grassroot Programs.
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« Reply #475 on: 11-08-2004 19:38 »

The idea was funny though, I had an image of Palpatine trying to explain the Deathstar and the fact he's building a second one after that to a very cynical auditor. Who's invincible. And goes Mmm-hmmm a lot.
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« Reply #476 on: 11-08-2004 23:47 »

Palpatine: And this deadly weapon will crush the pathetic Rebels once and for all! *evil laugh*
Auditor: Mmm-hmmm. Have you filled out the huge-ass super-weapon notification form yet?
Palpatine: Well, no, but I AM THE EMPEROR!
Auditor: Mmm-hmmm. Well, emperor or not, you still haven't shown proof of purchase or the notification form to me yet.
Palpatine: I WILL DESTROY YOU WITH THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE!
Auditor: Mmm-hmmm. You can't get tax cuts with your significant other "Dark Side" unless you've brought the marriage forms.
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« Reply #477 on: 11-09-2004 00:44 »

Anyone see Jeopardy today?  They had a Star Wars category in round two, and the questions (answers) were ridiculously easy.  Of course, Ken got most of them.

One of them was something like "These two adventurers went into the Death Star to rescue Princess Leia."  Another was a video clue of Chewie grunting with subtitles about "I am a member of this species."
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« Reply #478 on: 11-09-2004 02:00 »

M0le: Brilliant!
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« Reply #479 on: 11-09-2004 14:21 »

Why would Palpatine need to pay his servants and soldiers? If they don't cooperate with him he just has Vader kill them.
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