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« Reply #120 on: 06-08-2004 08:22 »

 
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 I'm not sure whether they have travelled back in time, since Enterprise was brought back to earth by the Aquatics...I think development on Earth was disrupted...and it might have something to do with this Temporal Cold War thing they have been hinting at throughout the entire series.

That's the way I think it went.  I think they are still in whatever year they were in, but they affected the development of Earth's history somehow.  The interesting thing will be to see if they've affected the history of any of the other nearby worlds.  The Zindi (or Xindi, whatever) didn't seem affected by the events.  I don't think Enterprise tried contacting the Vulcans before the end of the show, so I wonder what's up with them.  They've got me anticipating the season premire, so I guess the final episode did its job!

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« Reply #121 on: 06-08-2004 17:07 »

 
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Hilarious stuff Lurrr  laff
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« Reply #122 on: 06-08-2004 18:07 »

Indeed, that was the funniest thing I've read all day...
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« Reply #123 on: 06-08-2004 18:25 »

I think there's a huge plot hole in the Enterprise season finale.  From what we've seen, either they've travelled back to the 1940s, or development on Earth's been screwed up.

Here's the hole: Wouldn't Reed, on Degra's ship, have made some attempt to contact Earth BEFORE returning to Enterprise?  If so, then he'd have known whether or not something was wrong before they met up.
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« Reply #124 on: 06-08-2004 18:41 »

I guess will just have to wait and see the season premier to answer all these questions.
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« Reply #125 on: 06-08-2004 18:43 »

I thought that, too - why on Earth did they come all the way back only to go back to Earth again? Unless the communication systems on Degra's ship were bust (which, knowing Trek, they probably were.... wink).

There are several major questions regarding the finale:

1) Are they in an alternate timeline or just flung back in time?

2) When did the change happen?

3) Assuming the change happened before the weapon was destroyed (and hence the lack of Starfleet vessels in Earth orbit), why was Yosemite-3 still there?

4) If they've gone back in time, surely Mayweather would have noticed a difference in 1940's San Fransisco and Enterprise-era San Fransisco?
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« Reply #126 on: 06-08-2004 19:05 »

I have to say this latest plot twist doesn't do it for me.  It seems to be just another way to drag out the suspense, which is pretty much all Enterprise has going for it right now.

Enterprise was introduced to us as a prequel to the previous four series (Remember that "Before Janeway, before Kirk" stuff?)  So I figured that as the show progressed, we'd see early alliances being forged and broken, leading to the eventual founding of the Federation.  Despite the many flaws early on, the first two years did seem to be following that pattern.

But somehwere along the way they've completely gone off the rails.  This Temporal Cold War has been increasingly used as a writers' crutch to avoid dealing with the above issues, instead introducing aliens and events that clearly were unknown to the crews of the previous shows.
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« Reply #127 on: 06-08-2004 21:11 »

I gotta agree with Fred on this, I hired out the Search for Spock DVD last week and there's a "special feature" on it as a preview to Enterprise and they are touting it as all the back story that leads to modern day trek. Rick Berman is there saying how its gonnna be so great and tie in with their 24th Century, just gotta say, Sorry Ricky you've done none of that yet
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« Reply #128 on: 06-09-2004 19:52 »

I was originally hoping for the series to be less advanced then it has turned out to be. I wanted to see the ship flying apart at the seams (and as many have already expressed in this thread) events leading up to TOS. (ie Founding of Federation, Romulan War)

Also, I think later in the series that we might get to see a young Sarek. That'd be cool b/c it would be tying Enterprise to TOS. I def. wouldnt mind seeing that...
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« Reply #129 on: 06-20-2004 01:42 »

I'm affraid that Enterprise pre-dates Sarek, he dies at just over 200 years old, and Enterprise is about 200 years before the Next Generation, at best he's a todler (if Vulcans have an equivelent) at the current time line of Enterprise
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« Reply #130 on: 06-20-2004 02:31 »

As for the going back in time discussion.  I think it was quite apparent that they went back in time, since we were introduced with all the nazi apparel.  I highly doubt the nazi's would reemerge to bring about another war (world involved or not). 

As for the prequel thing.  I don't think prequels are almost ever a good thing.  I don't know that I expected much from it, I think if it hadn't been a prequel it would have been very good on its own.
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« Reply #131 on: 06-21-2004 02:41 »

Ah, but they might not necessarily have gone back in time. What could have happened is that some interference in Earth's history delayed the timeline by 200 years, so things would happen later but still in the same order. This would explain why the Andorians, Xindi, etc. were still around and at their stage of advancement when they reached Earth.

The more I think about it, however, the more likely it seems that the Sol system (perhaps only Earth and the moon) are affected by the temporal anomaly. It's almost certainly easier to explain it that way.
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« Reply #132 on: 06-21-2004 14:31 »

As a compulsuve theory-come-upper-with guy, I have come up with the following theory:  Daniels tried to save Archer from the weapon when it exploded by sending him into the past, but the explosion messed up the time travelling-dealie (hey, I come up with theories, not names for dealies), instead sending the entire system into the past (including the end of the tunnel dealie that the aquatics were using to transport Enterprise back to Earth (making it like the wormhole in that one Voyager episode that I never saw, but have read about).  That would explain why the Xindi arrived at an Earth with the space station to destroy and the Enterprise arrived at an Earth with WWII-era air dealies (alright, no more dealies...).  As for the  Nazi-alien, he/she/it was... was... part of a diplomatic envoy to Earth when it got thrown into the past, and was unaware of the fact.  It was first contacted by the Nazis, figured that they were the rightful government of Earth, fighting a civil war, and sided with them. The alien was in the middle of a tour of the Nazi lines (dressed as a Nazi officer so as to not attract too much attention) when we saw it. Jeepers, that's... unlikely. I do think the first part is possible, but the rest... no. 

My alternate theory: over-zealous WWII historical recreationists took over the globe.
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« Reply #133 on: 10-09-2004 20:40 »

*BIG BUMP*

Season Premier airs tonite. I'm recording it as we speak and from what Ive seen so far, it's really good.

Apparently the Temporal Cold War is in full swing...
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« Reply #134 on: 10-09-2004 21:32 »

It was a good episode.  I can't wait until they finish next week.  I hope they finally reviel who is the master of the Suliban aka "Future Guy".  I think he might be a Romulan, but if he is why is he not talking to them?  Well that is my best theory. 
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« Reply #135 on: 10-09-2004 21:55 »

Mmm, I'd love the Romulans to be in the series more. They dont need to show themselves, just be a mysterious race behind their ships.
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« Reply #136 on: 10-10-2004 21:27 »

I thought that was a pretty good premier.  The temporal cold war story is a little strung out in my opinion, but they made it pretty interesting.  I look forward to watching next week's episode.
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« Reply #137 on: 10-10-2004 23:01 »

I read this week and next week episode will be the end of the whoel Temporal Cold War story line.  Then they will move on to trying to tie it in more with the original series. 
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« Reply #138 on: 10-11-2004 15:16 »

Good, I never liked the whole Temporal Cold War concept.   
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« Reply #139 on: 10-18-2004 12:36 »

*Bump*

Well, the episode aired and boy was it good. The Temporal Cold War is over and the Enterprise was returned to the 22nd century. And man does next week's episode look good.
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« Reply #140 on: 10-18-2004 18:28 »

I though it was ok.  I would of liked to have found out who did the Suliban and Tholians work for in the future.  But next week episode does look good. 
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« Reply #141 on: 10-18-2004 18:31 »

I'm sure we'll end up finding out who that guy in the hologram is eventually.

Ten bucks says it's Q. :P
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« Reply #142 on: 10-19-2004 12:33 »

Thank goodness that's over with... a good conclusion definitely, but I hate the way that the Paramount execs always seem to resort to Time Travel to make things more interesting.

Hopefully they'll start to expand more on things that were alluded to in TOS... Romulan War, anyone?
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« Reply #143 on: 10-19-2004 12:40 »

 
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I'm affraid that Enterprise pre-dates Sarek, he dies at just over 200 years old, and Enterprise is about 200 years before the Next Generation, at best he's a todler (if Vulcans have an equivelent) at the current time line of Enterprise

According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia Sarek was born in 2165.  Season 4 of Enterprise is set round about 2154, unless Braga decides to fuck things up again.
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« Reply #144 on: 10-19-2004 12:45 »

The episode was pretty good overall.  The only thing  I found cheesy was the stump speech the alien (Vosk was his name?) gave near the conclusion of the episode.  Since he was wearing a nazi uniform he just had to sit there and spout off like a stereotypical nazi.  I just thought it was a generic way for the writers to allow Enterprise enough time to just save the day.  If those aliens had been there all that time trying to make a time machine with 20th century tech, they would have dove through that time rift as soon as it opened.

I don't know, if a Vulcan wedding is the focus of next week's episode, I think it has serious potential to suck.  I guess they have to do something a little lighter after the previous episodes.
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« Reply #145 on: 10-20-2004 02:14 »

I think that a Vulcan Wedding could be good.  Just like in the "Amok in Time".  I hope now the will do stuff with Anodrians, Tellerites and TOS species and issues.  They have to go set up Federation like have ambassadors and stuff.
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« Reply #146 on: 10-20-2004 10:56 »

 
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I don't know, if a Vulcan wedding is the focus of next week's episode, I think it has serious potential to suck.  I guess they have to do something a little lighter after the previous episodes.

Well it looks like this week's episode wont just be about the wedding. It looks as if this will also cover the founding of the Federation (as seen in a previous episode). Now THAT could be interesting.

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« Reply #147 on: 10-20-2004 15:21 »

 
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 Well it looks like this week's episode wont just be about the wedding. It looks as if this will also cover the founding of the Federation (as seen in a previous episode). Now THAT could be interesting.


As well as another kick in the teeth for continuity. The Federation was founded in 2161, 10 years after "Broken Bow", and definetely after the Romulan-Earth War.

As a grumpy old fashioned Trek fan with a passion for continuity I hope these UFP founding reports are false.

::goes looking for his DS9 DVD's::
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« Reply #148 on: 10-20-2004 17:10 »

Well whenever a prequel to a series is made, of course there are gonna be some problems dealing with the previous series. Take the Romulan War, originally it was said it was Earth and the Romulans hurling nuclear warheads at each other. Now for Enterprise, I suspect they will bring it more out into the front with Ship-to-ship battles.
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« Reply #149 on: 10-20-2004 17:35 »

IF they show/reference it at all.  I don't expect them to (unless there is something known about them showing the Romulan war on Enterprise, then by all means shoot me down).
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« Reply #150 on: 10-21-2004 01:31 »

 
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 As well as another kick in the teeth for continuity. The Federation was founded in 2161, 10 years after "Broken Bow", and definetely after the Romulan-Earth War.

As a grumpy old fashioned Trek fan with a passion for continuity I hope these UFP founding reports are false.

::goes looking for his DS9 DVD's::

From what I have read from interviews with Cotto, we wont see the founding of the federation on Enterprise, we will events leading to it tho
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« Reply #151 on: 10-21-2004 01:39 »

Yeah, I think they've already had some events leading to it... Like those people from the future showing Archer events from the future...

Anyways I didn't realize the season started up again, you all suck, I wanted to see nazi alien  frown
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« Reply #152 on: 10-21-2004 18:09 »

Meh it was nothing special. The episode was great but the Nazi Alien wasnt really big. It was just a Temporal Agent who sided with the Nazis.
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« Reply #153 on: 10-22-2004 01:11 »

I want to go to Teller and Andor.  We have never even seen those planets and they are founding members of the Federation.  That is pretty important.  We haven't even seen a female Tellerite to our knowledge. 
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« Reply #154 on: 11-14-2004 00:05 »

*Bump*

Well after watching the three part series with Brent Spiner I have to say I love it. He was great as a villain and it was nice to see him again. The entire plot was similar to "StarTrekII" but I could care less (considering that's my favorite Trek movie).

What are your thoughts on the episode?
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« Reply #155 on: 11-14-2004 01:32 »

Yeah, there was a little lack of originality in the Augments mini-arc and it was a tad too predictable, but overall it was pretty good, and fairly entertaining.  The same could be said for the series as a whole, really. 
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« Reply #156 on: 11-14-2004 14:42 »

I saw the preview for next week's episode as well and it seems that there will be another Three-Part series, this time dealing with the Vulcans. Maybe this will become a habit on Enterprise...

And on a somewhat related note: I was watching an episode of StarGate: SG1 and the guy who plays Dr Flox (John Billingsley) was a scientist in it. And ironically, they made him out to be a StarTrek nerd.
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« Reply #157 on: 11-14-2004 21:14 »

I heard that they were planning on concentrating more on smaller arcs than season-long stories like the Xindi or single episodes like most of season 1 or 2.  Not a bad idea, actually.

With Enterprise, I don't really read much into upcoming episodes, but I'm not a big fan of the way that the Vulcans are portrayed on the show.   

That's a great episode of SG1, as is the sequel (though Billingsley doesn't appear in the sequel, only McKenna does).
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« Reply #158 on: 11-15-2004 01:01 »

I liked the Augment episodes as well.  It gave some, not enough informatoin on the Eugenic Wars.  The next Vulcan is to fix or make these Vulcans more like the Vulcans in other series.  This is to be a Reformation of sorts for there civilization to go back to Surak's orininal teachings.
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« Reply #159 on: 11-15-2004 12:41 »

I'm just waiting for the day when it is revealed that Tupal and Tucker are the parents of Sarek.
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