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User_names_suck
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« Reply #80 on: 04-07-2004 20:28 »
« Last Edit on: 04-07-2004 20:28 »

 
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Originally posted by Xmpel:
No, you're a proud ignoramus.

Anyways, I saw an episode about Homer getting scared by a bear or something and I starte crying with laughter. Not because it was a funny episode but just because it was the worst ever episode of The series ever !

I just couldn't stop laughing at how silly it was, I mean, they couldn't have come up with anything better and more down to earth than Homer chasing a bear dressed up like an idiot ?

Are you even supposed to be able to relate to this show anymore ? Even Futurama was more down to Earth and it's settled a thousand years forward in time.

This is by far the worst ever episode of any Tv-series.

Yeah that was a bad episode,(though far from the worse) not represntative of the recent rise in quality it was a season 14 holdover anyway.
but did you seriously watch t.v shows because you can relate to all the situations.
I personally cant relate to having a babysitter bandit come in my house.
or going on a student exchange trip where I was a slave for some evil french wine makers
while an albanian spy moves into my familes house. Or even having a distarous camping trip where are RV falls over a cliff and My Dad gets mistaken for bigfoot.
So I guess Simpsons has always been shit is that what your saying.
Gorky

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« Reply #81 on: 04-07-2004 20:30 »

 
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Originally posted by 3/4 of a Jesus:
 
AHEM?!?! I am a proud female nerd, thank you
   big grin


Right on, sister!

Oh and, Xmpel, you are referring to "The Fat and the Furriest". Personally, I thought it was okay, but not a high point in season 15.

Lrrr_2004
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« Reply #82 on: 04-07-2004 20:42 »
« Last Edit on: 04-07-2004 20:42 »

I like season 15, sure it's had some rocky points, like the episode when their in Brittland.  But every series has some bad episodes, but don't take it out on the whole season.

The Fox affiliate where I watch they Simpsons (philly), always show the same episodes, especially the one where they get a tennis racket, and Simpsons Safari.  So if I see those episodes again, i'm gonna scream.

Unloved by Al, oh I get jokes hahaha.   smile
M0le

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« Reply #83 on: 04-07-2004 20:49 »

Lisa: That's specious reasoning Dad.
Homer: Thank you, honey.
Lisa: By your logic I could say that this rock repels tigers.
Homer: I see. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work! It's just a stupid rock! But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: (Looks around in amazement) Lisa, I want to buy your rock. (Lisa refuses, then shrugs and takes the money)

One of my favourite conversations from Simpsons history.   smile
Gorky

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« Reply #84 on: 04-07-2004 21:31 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
but did you seriously watch t.v shows because you can relate to all the situations.
I personally cant relate to having a babysitter bandit come in my house.
or going on a student exchange trip where I was a slave for some evil french wine makers
while an albanian spy moves into my familes house. Or even having a distarous camping trip where are RV falls over a cliff and My Dad gets mistaken for bigfoot.
So I guess Simpsons has always been shit is that what your saying.

The point that Xmpel is probably trying to make (this is just a guess) is that The Simpsons is now completely outrageous, but not even in a funny way. But, I also agree with user_names_suck, the show has always had that theme of a dysfunctional family, and alot of the time the situations aren't relatable to anything in the real world.

Plus, the episodes that were referenced by you, user_names, ("Some Enchanted Evening", "The Crepes of Wrath", and "The Call of the Simpsons" ) are actually relatable, but on a different level than that of the story:

"Some Enchanted Evening"-You can relate to a marriage being strained and a husband and wife trying to repair it. You can also relate to having a babysitter that was mean, just not on such an outrageous level as that of the episode (i.e. a babysitter who is a criminal that ties up the kids and loots the house).

"The Crepes of Wrath"-If you look at it, alot of this episode is about Homer and Bart's father/son relationship. Homer finds Bart to be a hoodlum, but develops a father/son relationship with Adil. I'm sure that, as a kid, you're parents were mad at you, but talked (at least as a joke) about how great your friend was and how they wished that they were their kid. You feel sorry for Bart in the story, because Homer isn't proud of him like Adil.

"The Call of The Simpsons"-Many people can relate to a camping trip gone awry, but just not on the level presented in this episode. Of course, Homer's mistaken identity really can't be related to.

So, I wouldn't say that Xmpel hates the show and always has, he was probably just saying that the characters are unreachable (of course, I could be entirely off-base here). But, as I said before, user_names_suck brings up a good point: not all episodes can be related to.

Woodbot 2.0

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« Reply #85 on: 04-07-2004 21:34 »

 
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Originally posted by M0le:
Lisa: That's specious reasoning Dad.
Homer: Thank you, honey.
Lisa: By your logic I could say that this rock repels tigers.
Homer: I see. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work! It's just a stupid rock! But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: (Looks around in amazement) Lisa, I want to buy your rock. (Lisa refuses, then shrugs and takes the money)

One of my favourite conversations from Simpsons history.    smile
Which episode is this from?

newhook_1

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« Reply #86 on: 04-07-2004 21:38 »

"Much Apu About Nothing". After Homer comments on how well the bear patrol is working.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #87 on: 04-08-2004 00:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Xmpel:

This is by far the worst ever episode of any Tv-series.

That's hardly fair.  What about the Brady Bunch "Orgy" episode?  wink

But seriously, there has to have been something far worse that you've seen on television.  "Fat and the Furriest" (which I do agree is a bad episode, but its hardly representative of this season as a whole) just seemed worse because its on a show you presumably care about.  There are plenty of other shows that have been cancelled over the years because they were far, far, far worse.
M0le

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« Reply #88 on: 04-08-2004 00:05 »
« Last Edit on: 04-08-2004 00:05 »

There are Gazillions of failed sitcoms that are a lot worse than 'Fat and the Furriest'. Strangely enough, my brother found it to be his favourite episode of the season so far. I expected him to hate it.    confused

EDIT: Happy now, DoTheBartman?  smile
DotheBartman

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« Reply #89 on: 04-08-2004 00:12 »

 
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Originally posted by M0le:
There are dozens of failed sitcoms that are a lot worse than 'Fat and the Furriest'.

I'd say more then dozens.  Conservatively probably hundreds, with thousands being a more realistic guess.
leelaholic

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« Reply #90 on: 04-08-2004 13:49 »

Am I the only one here that considers "The Fat and the Furriest" a guilty pleasure episode? I'll agree that it isn't good, but I certainly think it's better than people say it is.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #91 on: 04-08-2004 13:58 »

Gorky I'm aware of what he's saying but I just gave examples of season 1 episodes saying well there's always been crazy cartoon moments.
Fat and the furriest wasn't actually that bad, its just a light hearted episode that fills a production run basically.
Homer is far far away from being a jerkass.
newhook_1

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« Reply #92 on: 04-08-2004 18:49 »
« Last Edit on: 04-08-2004 18:49 »

Well, the dead scuba diver after Homer throws the bears tracking device into the pond makes me laugh everytime. But I do think that there's a bit to much "Homer gets hurt" stuff in this episode. Right off the top of my head we've got:
-His eyes getting burnt out
-The orginal mauling
-The bloody bear hug
-Putting on the tracking tag and getting shocked twice

"The Fat and the Furriest" is like a "good"   episode in season 11 ("Behind The Laughter", "Guess Who's Coming To Critisize Dinner" etc.). It's worth watching once or twice for one or two good gags, but that's it.
Woodbot 2.0

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« Reply #93 on: 04-08-2004 19:22 »

 
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Originally posted by newhook_1:
"The Fat and the Furriest" is like a "good"   episode in season 11 ("Behind The Laughter", "Guess Who's Coming To Critisize Dinner" etc.). It's worth watching once or twice for one or two good gags, but that's it.

Here are the gags I do like from the episode:
-Lenny,Carl aand Bart singing "Sky Rocket's in Flight
-"Do I dare put caremel over the cotten candy?Bwhahahahaahahahaahahahahaa!"
-Maggie "stuffed"
Gorky

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« Reply #94 on: 04-08-2004 21:10 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
Am I the only one here that considers "The Fat and the Furriest" a guilty pleasure episode? I'll agree that it isn't good, but I certainly think it's better than people say it is.

I agree. I didn't see it the first time it aired, but I did read the reviews by some of the members of PEEL and The NHC. Once I saw it (I believe it aired 3 weeks ago), I found it to be an okay episode, and not as bad as people make it out to be.

DotheBartman

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« Reply #95 on: 04-08-2004 21:17 »

 
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Originally posted by M0le:
EDIT: Happy now, DoTheBartman?   smile

[Al Gore] Very much so.  wink [/Al Gore]
Shadowstar

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« Reply #96 on: 04-08-2004 21:18 »

After seeing it again, I bumped it up half a point. It is an OK episode, as aforementioned, it's like a good Season 11 episode.
Action Jacktion

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« Reply #97 on: 04-09-2004 00:45 »

Coming this Sunday to Fox: three episodes of The Simpsons.  Yes, for some reason they aren't showing Malcolm in the Middle so The Simpsons will be on from 8:00-9:30.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #98 on: 04-09-2004 01:18 »

All reruns though.  Still no new episode til the 18th.

And screw Malcolm in the Middle.  That piece of trash needs to be cancelled sooner or later....in any case maybe they're running out of episodes of that show to run, and want to conserve some airings (including more reruns to run over the summer).  Maybe during the offseason Muniz will rob a liquor store (he's a grown up/growing up child actor after all) and the show will finally end.
newhook_1

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« Reply #99 on: 04-09-2004 01:37 »

You know, Muniz is actually 18 year old, turning 19 in December. It still seems that he has yet to hit puberity though, going strictly by his voice and behaviour in interviews.

The only reason the show isn't cancelled already, is because it rides The Simpsons ratings, notice how quickly they stopped showing a second Malcolm each week on Wednesday nights? It's because the ratings were in the toilet. Every show that gets put in the timeslot after The Simpsons gets decent ratings. I wish Fox would capitalize on it more and put something good there, like a good new animated project or maybe Bernie Mac again (Which I like 10 times more than Malcolm).
Gorky

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« Reply #100 on: 04-09-2004 09:39 »

And the fact that Frankie Muniz is an adult is just another reason to cancel the show. The big problem with live-action shows featuring child actors is that the inevitable happens: they grow to be adults. These characters lose something, and the show ultimately fails. So, the crew usually tries to compensate for one star becoming less and less of a kid and more and more of an adult by adding another child. This attempt usually makes the show lose something else, until it completely crumbles. In fact, I believe that there is now a baby on the show, so their you have it. Maybe your dream will come true, DotheBartman.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #101 on: 04-09-2004 11:09 »

I hate Malcolm too, but three Simpsons episodes is a bit much. Pretty soon they're going to make it four Simpsons episodes per week. When will it end? FOX is realizing that The Simpsons is the only surefire ratings hit on their Sunday night lineup, so they are showing it as much as possible. It reminds me of what ABC did to "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?".

Yeah yeah, I know The Simpsons isn't a flash-in-the-pan fad like Millionaire, but still. If you show it that much, people are bound to get tired of it.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #102 on: 04-09-2004 11:13 »

The Simpsons is a flash-in-the-pan fad, but it is a very sustained flash in a pan the size of a thousand craters.
Gorky

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« Reply #103 on: 04-09-2004 13:18 »

I agree with Fishy Joe that three episodes in a row in one night is a bit much, especially if you consider that they are all reruns. Instead of filling almost all of Sunday's schedule with The Simpsons, Fox might be better off showing Malcolm in the Middle *shudders*. At least this way people won't get tired of the show and stop watching it all together. Or, they could at least show some kind of Top Ten episodes thing, where they show the fans' favorite episodes, so that there would be a bit of variety. Showing reruns from this season over and over is getting kind of tired, at least vary it up a little.   
User_names_suck
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« Reply #104 on: 04-09-2004 13:22 »

Maybe the MITM spot could get taken up by Family guy seems a logical move but I guess logic doesn't come into Fox's moves so who knows.
Gorky

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« Reply #105 on: 04-09-2004 13:46 »

Yeah, Family Guy does seem like a natural choice. Or maybe there is a project in production at Fox that would be perfect for the timeslot. Who knows?
DotheBartman

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« Reply #106 on: 04-10-2004 20:07 »
« Last Edit on: 04-10-2004 20:07 »

   
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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
I hate Malcolm too, but three Simpsons episodes is a bit much. Pretty soon they're going to make it four Simpsons episodes per week. When will it end? FOX is realizing that The Simpsons is the only surefire ratings hit on their Sunday night lineup, so they are showing it as much as possible. It reminds me of what ABC did to "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?".

Yeah yeah, I know The Simpsons isn't a flash-in-the-pan fad like Millionaire, but still. If you show it that much, people are bound to get tired of it.

Well, the problem that befell "Millionaire" was that it was running three or four nights a week at one point.  That's insane for any show, let alone a newer show.  Running the Simpsons that often (outside of syndication) would be a mistake too, but it would hold its own better because its been on for so many years now that people are accustomed to seeing it everywhere, and have grown to love it as a staple of american television.  Millionaire was still too new (and probably would have been cancelled fairly quickly anyway, due to its nature) so people got sick of it quickly, which hasn't happened to The Simpsons.  In fact, the fact that its show 2-3 times a day in most syndication markets and still maintains top ratings is a good display of its ressiliancy and lasting appeal, something "Millionaire" never had.  "MASH" reruns certainly haven't been killed by over saturation either, to use another example.

The "three in a row" idea has been done before anyway, and has never killed the show.  They just do it once in a while if they're getting seriously killed in the schedule and don't have much of a choice, IE right now.  The following week probably won't be a three in a row thing, and I doubt we'd see any more until some point in the summer.  They just need to fill in the schedule SOMEHOW while they sort things out.

As for next season, I would guess either Malcolm will move back to the post-Simpsons slot (probably depending on how much the ratings have slipped this past year), or Family Guy will go there.  Or maybe "American Dad".  Either way I'd say Family Guy is probably a shoe-in for some slot on the Sunday lineup(assuming Fox does indeed air it, anyway), although its always possible they'll put it somewhere else.
There could always be some other new show they'll want to plug in there as well, since the post-Simpsons slot is frequently used for such a purpose.
leelaholic

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« Reply #107 on: 04-10-2004 22:48 »
« Last Edit on: 04-10-2004 22:48 »

Well, after many, many drafts and reworkings, here's...

My Simpsons Top 50

1. “Mother Simpson” (my all-time favorite)
2. “Bart Sells His Soul”
3. “Cape Feare”
4. “Homer the Heretic”
5. “Lisa’s Substitute”
6. “The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson”
7. “Bart’s Inner Child”
8. “The Way We Was”
9. “Bart the Lover”
10. “Lisa’s First Word”
11. “Rosebud”
12. “Homer’s Enemy”
13. “Treehouse of Horror V”
14. “Summer of 4 ft. 2”
15. “Last Exit To Springfield”
16. “Kamp Krusty”
17. “Separate Vocations”
18. “Duffless”
19. “Homer Defined”
20. “Treehouse of Horror VI”
21. “The Curse of the Flying Hellfish”
22. “Mr. Plow”
23. “My Mother the Carjacker”
24. “Moe Baby Blues”
25. “Bart on the Road”
26. “Black Widdower”
27. “Trilogy of Error”
28. “Radio Bart”
29. “Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th Commandment”
30. “Lisa’s Wedding”
31. “Itchy and Scratchy Land”
32. “Lisa the Greek”
33. “Bart vs. Thanksgiving”
34. “Homer Alone”
35. “Dog of Death”
36. “Bart’s Friend Falls in Love”
37. “A Milhouse Divided”
38. “And Maggie Makes Three”
39. “Lisa’s Sax”
40. “The Old Man and the Lisa”
41. “Like Father, Like Clown”
42. “A Streetcar Named Marge”
43. “Homer’s Barbershop Quartet”
44. “Old Money”
45. “Round Springfield”
46. “Poppa’s Got a Brand New Badge”
47. “Marge vs. the Monorail”
48. “You Only Move Twice”
49. “Homer at the Bat”
50. “Lisa the Simpson”
TriforceBun

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« Reply #108 on: 04-10-2004 23:54 »

Season 13 is still my favorite Jean season, actually.  14 and (so far) 15 are quite good, but I always preferred 13 for some reason.

I'd like to say that I really liked the most recent episode, The Wandering Juvie.  It was fairly popular at NHC, and I felt it was really well done all-around (except for the mediocre gags in the first act...I hate Judge Harm).

Fat and the Furriest wasn't terrible, to me.  I give it a B-.
CyberKnight

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« Reply #109 on: 04-11-2004 03:17 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
   Well, the problem that befell "Millionaire" was that it was running three or four nights a week at one point.  That's insane for any show, let alone a newer show.  Running the Simpsons that often (outside of syndication) would be a mistake too, but it would hold its own better because its been on for so many years now that people are accustomed to seeing it everywhere, and have grown to love it as a staple of american television.  Millionaire was still too new (and probably would have been cancelled fairly quickly anyway, due to its nature) so people got sick of it quickly, which hasn't happened to The Simpsons.

Interestingly enough, that's exactly what happened with Sky One in the UK (also known as "The Simpsons Channel" ). They run at least two episodes every night (and sometimes 4).

And the result? If you look at their weekly top 10 ratings, it's almost always filled with Simpsons, often completely. Futurama was one of the rare shows that broke that record, usually coming in anywhere from 3rd to 10th overall.

It'd be interesting to see the correlation  of people sick of the Simpsons with Sky One (Simpsons) viewers.
Kryten

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« Reply #110 on: 04-11-2004 12:58 »

You honestly think "My Mother the Carjacker" and "Moe Baby Blues" deserve to be in the top 25? You ranked "Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge" higher than the monorail episode, which, to me, is easily top 5 material?

*sigh*

Whatever.  hmpf
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #111 on: 04-11-2004 13:01 »

No Homer Bad Man either, which I still believe to this day to be the most relentlessly hilarious half hour of television ever. For shame.  no no
newhook_1

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« Reply #112 on: 04-11-2004 13:17 »
« Last Edit on: 04-11-2004 13:17 »

Well, at least he has "Cape Feare" up there.
*Gets hit in the face with a rake*
*Mumbles*
*Gets hit with another rake*
*Etc*

Here's my top 10:
1)You Only Move Twice
2)Cape Feare
3)Deep Space Homer
4)The Way We Was
5)Two Bad Neighbors
6&7)Who Shot Mr. Burns: Parts One And Two
8)Like Father Like Clown
9)Homer The Smithers
10)King-Size Homer
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #113 on: 04-11-2004 14:24 »

Time for a review of the second Season 15 episode I've seen thus far:

Diatribe Of A Mad Housewife

After the promise shown in "I D'oh!bot", this is a relapse of the overly forced comedy that ruined the show for me in the first place. Homer's antics were just painful to watch, and in a bad way, and Marge's out-of-touch housewife rambling was similarly bad. Also, the attempt at some sort of emotional plot towards the end of the episode seemed very contrived and forced, as if it was an afterthought. And Marvin Monroe's return seemed utterly pointless, although I'm sure some people enjoyed it.  mad

 Thank god the writers are still into the whole background gags motif. "Boris' Car Loft" was the only joke that got a significant laugh from me in this episode. Some of the Bookachino's stuff was quite amusing, too.
Gorky

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« Reply #114 on: 04-11-2004 15:55 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
And Marvin Monroe's return seemed utterly pointless, although I'm sure some people enjoyed it.   mad

Actually, in my opinion that was the worst part of this otherwise great episode. For one thing, Dr. Marvin Monroe hadn't appeared since at least season 6, and he was never really all that popular to begin with, so bringing him back seemed rather useless. It also conflicts with the Dr. Marvin Monroe Memorial Wing in the hospital, seen in the 2-parter "Who Shot Mr. Burns?".

So, why did they bring him back? My theories:

1.Perhaps watching him on screen while doing three seasons worth of commentaries got the crew thinking about bringing him back.

2.Maybe they really do want to open up the story of Monroe's real name, Marilyn Monroe (mentioned in the commentary for "Some Enchanted Evening" ), although it seems like a waste of time to actually produce such an episode.

3.Mike Reiss always discusses pulling one over on the fans, maybe he talked Al Jean into bringing Monroe back.

Out of all of those, 3 seems the most likely.   

User_names_suck
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« Reply #115 on: 04-11-2004 16:18 »

I found the marvin monroe joke funny jebus christ lighten up.
For me it was another solid episode yeah perhaps one too many captian wacky jokes but it didn't really distract from my enjoyment of the episode.
I dont see how people could really find it painful but whatever.
An intresting plot idea with some nice art direction for Marge's novel sequences. not the funniest ever but there was still a pretty consistent amount of gags.
another enjoyable episode.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #116 on: 04-11-2004 16:53 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
I found the marvin monroe joke funny jebus christ lighten up.

Oh, bog off.  tongue
leelaholic

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« Reply #117 on: 04-11-2004 17:40 »
« Last Edit on: 04-11-2004 17:40 »

 
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron:
No Homer Bad Man either, which I still believe to this day to be the most relentlessly hilarious half hour of television ever. For shame.    no no
Well, this is my top 50 and my favorite episodes.  wink

"Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge", "My Mother the Carjacker", and "Moe Baby Blues" are up there because I feel they deserve it. What great episodes.  smile
Nurdbot

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« Reply #118 on: 04-11-2004 17:51 »

Leelaholic, you should be shot the way you sugarcoated Diatribe.

Lamest episode ever, most of my laughs were forced apart from the Apu porn movie joke.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #119 on: 04-11-2004 18:29 »
« Last Edit on: 04-11-2004 18:29 »

Marge vs. the Monorail is overrated anyway (Oh no he di'int!).  Its an A- or something, and very funny, but I wouldn't list it as top 50 I don't think.  There's many far better episodes in season four alone.

Anyways, the order of Leelaholic's list isn't what I would put (but, remember that this is HIS list), but the only "bad" choice in my personal opinion is Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge.  Its not terrible or anything even, but I always found it to be pretty mediocre, and derivative of past episodes that weren't even highlights to begin with.  But even "My Mother the Carjacker" and "Moe Baby Blues" are IMO not bad choices for a top 50 (I don't think I'd quite put the former in there personally, although MBB is top 50 material).

And Diatribe I still say is a good episode.  Its not perfect but its a fun story.  And I don't get all the anger over the Monroe gag.  I thought it was hysterical.  Does it really matter if they disrupt a very small piece of continuity by bringing him back anyway?  Its not like they had Bleeding Gums Murphy crawl out of his grave.
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