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Chump

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« Reply #160 on: 04-15-2004 22:04 »

 
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If they do release the Ullman shorts, I think that this would be a sweet DVD cover art...

Why it's Lester and Eliza!
DotheBartman

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« Reply #161 on: 04-15-2004 23:43 »

 
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 Why it's Lester and Eliza!

Exactly.

I wonder how many people caught on that Lester and Eliza were supposed to be the original Ullman characters.  Even more fitting considering the theme of the episode.

Ranadok

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« Reply #162 on: 04-16-2004 00:55 »

I was waiting for some kind of follow-up to Lester and Eliza, but sadly, it never came.  I wasn't REALLY expecting it, but it would have been interesting.
M0le

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« Reply #163 on: 04-16-2004 01:33 »

You didn't necessarily need to be a fan of the Simpsons to pick up on Lester and Eliza being the original Bart and Lisa. I picked it up instantly. They were shown in the second clip show, weren't they?
DotheBartman

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« Reply #164 on: 04-16-2004 02:41 »

Third, if you mean the Ullman short clips shown in "138th Episode Spectacular".

I make my comment about wondering how many people caught the Lester and Eliza joke largely because of how many jokes people have seemed to miss in the past....you would not believe how many people have insisted to me they "know" where Springfield is (I cite some obscure reference complete with episode title that completely debunks their points, and they still insist), and even worse have wondered "when Roy will be back", etc.  I think I've seen people asking when Lester and Eliza will be back on the 'net as well, as if they were intended to be regulars (not to say having them back at all would have been out of the question though, Ranadok, although it would seem pretty redundant now).
Ranadok

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« Reply #165 on: 04-16-2004 12:02 »

Yeah, I was pretty sure (as in positive) that they were only going to have that one appearance, but still... I was hoping. That might make an interesting THOH, though.

On the "where is springfield?" question, my best friend insists that he knows where it is, based on one time when they gave a distance from a known location on a road sign... now correct me if I'm wrong, but the only time that happened (I can't remember where exactly, sorry), they also listed on the same sign some other place with a distance in order to make it impossible to find the place that applies to both? Still, he insists. And he normally is so smart, too.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #166 on: 04-16-2004 12:14 »

I think that sign has been used as an example before, but I don't remember the original episode and whatnot.  However, what you can tell him is that they seem to be within easy driving distance of both Las Vegas and New York City (and not to mention the five corners  wink ) so, as usual, it can't be taken seriously. 

Plus you could always just show him one of the commentaries where they say there isn't a state.  I believe Bart the Daredevil's commentary has something about it.
Ranadok

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« Reply #167 on: 04-16-2004 13:04 »
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I would (I gave him plenty of other references that disproved him, but he didn't care), but he is one of those people that rarely changes his mind when he decides that he is right. It's not worth the trouble.

Edit: changed "never" to "rarely"... I gotta give him some credit.
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« Reply #168 on: 04-16-2004 14:00 »

I've never understood this is where is Springfield thing, its a fictional town its not anywhere I doubt even Matt Groening actually decided what state it should be in.
even when they suggest it could be in one state, another episode would contradict it, they've actually technically elimnated the possiblity of it being any state, simply because they've visited every place in America.
they also said in #half decent proposal# that the West side of Springfield is three times the state of texas.
Don't people realise that its not actually supposed to be anywhere.
Gorky

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« Reply #169 on: 04-16-2004 22:05 »

Well, I think that those of us who are avid viewers have come to realize that Springfield is basically Anytown U.S.A. I'm sure that at one point a lot of us wondered where exactly Springfield is, but when you realize that it really isn't that important to the show (and that the crew doesn't even know where it is), you're not as concerned about it.

I mean, if you watch the show as often as a lot of us do, you can tell that there are so many details that contradict with others. The best examples are in episodes in which the Simpson family travels out-of-state. As they have mentioned numerous times in the commentaries, Springfield is near both New York and Las Vegas. It snows one day and the next Homer is out on the hammock enjoying the sun. So, the question, as posed by Mike Reiss, isn't what state Springfield is in, but what planet it's on.

People who are just average viewers (and those who know that someone is a big Simpsons fan and want to prove them wrong) worry over where the town is, probably to make themselves look smart. Or, maybe they really believe that they're right, who knows? I'll choose to believe the producers, Springfield has no definite or absolute location.

Woodbot 2.0

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« Reply #170 on: 04-16-2004 22:17 »

In my opinion,The Simpsons is in the no-to-distant future where the US has 51 states.
M0le

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« Reply #171 on: 04-16-2004 22:25 »

They should change the name of Kentucky to Kentucky Fried Chicken. Now that would be funny commercialising.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #172 on: 04-17-2004 07:54 »

I guess being british I don't think about states
its just oh they live in america.
I'm sure americans dont think about the specfic places english live in, you have your (completley wrong stereotypes of british people and accents ) it wouldn't occur to you to think about specfic reigons.
anyway thisis completley off topic.
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« Reply #173 on: 04-17-2004 08:19 »

Shut up and drink your tea, Limey.  tongue

Anywho... Americans get to view that episode with Matt Groening tommorrow...
I want no details spared. No matter how filthy. If Comic Book Guy leaps upon Matt and proceeds to ravish him forthwith, I must be told!
Gorky

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« Reply #174 on: 04-17-2004 09:35 »
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Well, I think that, as far as we know, Matt Groening is only going to have a brief appearance, apparently at a comic book convention. But it isn't the focus of the episode, this is:

Principal Skinner and Edna Krabappel are planning their wedding, but (I think) there is some type of problem that Edna has with Skinner (and apparently, Skinner has second doubts himself) and so she calls the wedding off. She then dates the Comic Book Guy, and I guess that they end up at the convention one way or another.

Anyway, that's all I know (I'm going on the guys over at the NHC, the guys here at PEEL, and the guys over at SNPP), so I could be wrong.

A bit off-topic, but next week the episode is entitled "Catch 'Em if You Can", and

 
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"The Simpsons are going to...Miami!" That is, Bart, Lisa, and Grampa (and maybe Maggie too; it's not clear) are going to Miami when they discover Homer and Marge went there on their own.

Is this another vacation episode, or is it just taking place in Miami, who knows? Any thoughts, you guys?

I actually think that it sounds like both a vacation episode and one with some type of plot other than "Homer gets arrested for doing something" like we have seen many times before in vacation episodes (the most recent vacation ep being "The Regina Monologues" ).   
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« Reply #175 on: 04-17-2004 09:53 »
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no one tell Slack Jawed Moron what happens in the episode with MG. he should have to watch it himself.
and I actually dont like tea I prefer Coffee


Anyway
Here's a more detailed description of Catch em if you can its written by Maxtone-Graham so everyone at the NHC is expecting it to be crap as he usually delivers a bad episode every season.

When Homer and Marge get caught having a rendezvous in Miami, Bart, Lisa and Grampa Simpson take off on a cross-country journey, a la "Catch Me if You Can," to foil their romantic getaway. Once in Miami, the kids ditch Grampa, who befriends Raoul, a gay Miami swinger who enjoys Grampa's stories on THE SIMPSONS episode "Catch 'Em If You Can" Sunday, April 25 (8:00-8:30 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (SI-1514) (TV-TBA)



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« Reply #176 on: 04-17-2004 11:04 »

 
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Once in Miami, the kids ditch Grampa, who befriends Raoul, a gay Miami swinger who enjoys Grampa's stories

For a minute there I thought that read "a gay Miami swinger who enjoys Grampa". Now that would have been a good episode.

Bushmeister

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« Reply #177 on: 04-17-2004 11:55 »

Funny enough I thought that too. That would have been very interesting. And not surprising.
leelaholic

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« Reply #178 on: 04-17-2004 13:08 »

As proved by "The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson" (my #6 favorite of all time), Maxtone can indeed write fantastic episodes, he just needs to be under the supervision of a superior writer (as he was with Oakley and Weinstein at the time). Anyway, "Catch 'Em If You Can" actually sounds okay. It could be bad, though. Impossible to tell.


Going back, Springfield is a fictional state, but what most people don't know is that this fictional state has a name.

alenacat
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« Reply #179 on: 04-17-2004 13:20 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
As proved by "The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson" (my #6 favorite of all time)

Is that one banned ? I haven't seen it in ages. Didn't lisa hold up a magazine article saying $9 with 11 behind it..? or is that just my imagination. I can understand it being banned, it's a very negative ep and just unlucky I guess. Damn funny though.
leelaholic

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« Reply #180 on: 04-17-2004 13:29 »

Well, it has been banned, but...

Now I AM NOT 100% SURE, but I think they may start showing it again. I'm not positive, but I've heard things.
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« Reply #181 on: 04-17-2004 13:32 »

*Punches Leelaholic in advance*
CyberKnight

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« Reply #182 on: 04-17-2004 13:33 »

It's not technically banned, from what I've heard, but some of the affiliates have chosen not to air it anymore (for obvious reasons).
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #183 on: 04-17-2004 16:25 »

I'm assuming they'll keep it on the Season 9 DVD if and when that ever makes it into the stores. It'd be quite an injustice if it didn't anyways.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #184 on: 04-18-2004 01:14 »

Most affiliates started showing "City of New York vs. Homer Simpson" ages ago (I even heard reports of it being shown in New York state literally days after the tradgedy).  I believe it showed up here again in August of 2002.  Its far from banned, just something certain affiliates decided to skip showing for a short while.  I believe "New Kids on the Blecch" faced a similar dilemma for a while.

And it'll be on the season nine dvd, I can absolutely guarantee that.
M0le

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« Reply #185 on: 04-18-2004 20:54 »

I hate it when shows have parts cut out or unnoficially banned episodes, particularily because of the 9/11 tragedy. It was a horrible tragedy, but any cartoons with buildings exploding have to be censored now, it's a bit over the top.
If you think I'm heartless, I remember on the actual day of 9/11, a huge nerd in my class complained loudly that the news reports cut out his TV for that night.
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« Reply #186 on: 04-18-2004 21:38 »
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Well, if anyone was wondering, Groening did have only a brief appearance.  You see a Bender action figure and he does a sketch of Fry.  Also at the convention I noticed in the background a grey TARDIS; the colorist must not have known it's supposed to be blue.
David A

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« Reply #187 on: 04-18-2004 22:11 »

This episode was a total cop out.

Okay, so there were some funny jokes, and Futurama was mentioned, but Skinner and Krabappel didn't get married.  The status quo must be maintained.  After thirty minutes, they hit the erase button, and everything is back the way it was, just like with Lisa's cat.  I wish they'd kill off Maude Flanders again, or something.

Yeah, that's right.  I didn't use spoiler tags.  Bite me.
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« Reply #188 on: 04-18-2004 22:29 »

If they didn't want Skinner and Krabbappel to get married, why introduce that story thread anyway?  The two tying the knot would greatly improve the two stale characters, plus create new ideas.  But, as David A said, the status quo must be maintained.
evan

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« Reply #189 on: 04-18-2004 22:32 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:

Going back, Springfield is a fictional state, but what most people don't know is that this fictional state has a name.


Shaucker

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« Reply #190 on: 04-18-2004 22:37 »

 
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Originally posted by alenacat:I can understand it being banned, it's a very negative ep and just unlucky I guess. Damn funny though.

Is it really that negative an episode? I alwasy felt(before and after 9/11) that it made fun of the Twin Towers in a rather light way, as with the rest of NY. Never been? Go...you'll see what I mean.
My God, tonight's episodes sucked...except for crediting Futurama and the bender figure.

If you don't eat meat, you'll break out in vaginas.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #191 on: 04-18-2004 23:45 »

Let me open up this review by saying: What a wierd episode. Drunk Barney, Homer and Marge having a second wedding, the Bi-Mon-Sci-Fi-Con, The Larry Davis Experience, Skinny and Krabby not together....its like its the '90s all over again.

Anyways, on to my thoughts. First off I'll get my problems with the story out of the way. It seemed rather disjointed in a lot of ways, especcially in act three, and I didn't see much point or reason to some of it. The ending was also....a bit of a downer, and seemed like the writers had cold feet themselves about actually marrying the characters (characters getting married is often considered JTS in tv, and The Simpsons has certainly endured some criticism for changing things in the past). And all the Homer/Marge stuff seemed sort of forced in there at times, especcially the second wedding at the end. Already a reused concept from "A Milhouse Divided", and it wasn't as effective here, either in humor or any kind of sweetness factor (assuming it was actually supposed to be touching in this one). With all of that said, however, I should note that Krabapple and Skinner stories (as in ones focusing around them as a couple) have just never especcially interested me, even "Grade School Confidental".

Now, I think this episode was mostly meant as a farce anyway, and as such it did its job. I can't say I laughed out loud a whole lot, but I did consistantly chuckle at and enjoy the humor. Save for a few bits like the second-wedding ending there wasn't much that fell flat for me, and there were lots of great moments like Classic Professor Barney (I guess they're really planning on making him alcoholic again), the Nelson "sniper" bit, the Edna and Seymour as old people dream sequence, etc. Really the only place it faltered actually was act three, with that ending, and partially the "Star Trek" parody fight scene as well (already done better on Futurama). And even act three was otherwise enjoyable, including the long-awaited Matt Groening guest appearance.

I should also note some good direction effects in this one, like the battery scene with Homer, shot of Seymour behind the mug, etc.

Overall not especcially great, but enjoyable enough as a farce. I'd say roughly a B, bordering on B-. Good, but I hope this season picks up more soon.
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« Reply #192 on: 04-18-2004 23:47 »
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What happend to The Simpsons being cutting edge? This storyline reminded me of one that would be used in a sitcom in the early 80s. Besides that I didn't think it was too bad, a few good laughs.Like many season 15 episodes though,  storyline recycling ran rampent. 3.5/5 Jean Era, 2/5 overall in the series.
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« Reply #193 on: 04-19-2004 00:07 »

 
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And all the Homer/Marge stuff seemed sort of forced in there at times, especcially the second wedding at the end.
It did seem tacked on, and it's not like we needed another episode in which they have relationship problems.  So now they've been married three times... or is it four?
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« Reply #194 on: 04-19-2004 00:27 »

 
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Well other than the plates.... How do you know what the fictional state is?
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« Reply #195 on: 04-19-2004 01:44 »
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Review of the wedding episode (Well, I'm just going to write a short one for now, as I'm eating popcorn):  I liked the ep except for the super-fast ending (for both storylines).  Really, really funny for the most part. MG's scene was a bit short, I would have liked more, but whatever.  For now, a 4/5, though that may change at any moment.

 
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Really the only place it faltered actually was act three, with that ending, and partially the "Star Trek" parody fight scene as well (already done better on Futurama).

and both over an Edna... hmmmm...
DotheBartman

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« Reply #196 on: 04-19-2004 04:19 »

 
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 and both over an Edna... hmmmm...

I actually hadn't noticed that.  Interesting coincidence.
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« Reply #197 on: 04-19-2004 04:40 »

 
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...which is also the postal abbreviation for Northern Territory. It's Rupert Murdoch I tells yah!
M0le

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« Reply #198 on: 04-19-2004 04:43 »

There's also a Springfield in the Northern Territory as well. Coincidence? I think not!
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« Reply #199 on: 04-19-2004 04:52 »
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There's a great theory by Dmitri Brengauz over at SNPP:

 
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The very real town of Tennant Creek, NT was said to have been founded when a road train (a tractor trailer-trailer-trailer another Outback phenomenon) laden with beer broke down on the road between Darwin and Alice Springs. The drivers made themselves comfortable to enjoy their cargo, found some ore deposits, and thereby foundedthe town.

  Now, Homer J. Simpson of Springfield, NT (a town of 0-20 or so people) was just such a driver, and the beer combined with the dry desert heat made him see all sorts of wonderful messages and dreams, the contents of which he wrote on the backs of over 200 empty beer cases. Matt Groening, on an Australian holiday, found the truck, the corpse, and the messages.  And this was the origin of the show.
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