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User_names_suck
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« on: 04-02-2004 13:52 »
« Last Edit on: 04-02-2004 13:52 »

Well here is the third part I got ahead of Leelaholic and posted it first. (unless he posted it while I was typing this.)

Well the next episode in the U.S isn't on until the 18th April(My Big Fat Greek Wedding)
and the nex in the U.K is on the 11th (Diatribe of a mad housewife)
As for the aussies well I dont care about you.
(Please dont take offence that was a joke)
So its a while until the episodes air so I think maybe we should start the thread with the obligatory flaming. Or we could go with the other option and not do that.
Its your choice gentlemen. and the ladies I guess.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #1 on: 04-02-2004 13:59 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
 Its your choice gentlemen.

What about the ladies?...

CyberKnight

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« Reply #2 on: 04-02-2004 14:05 »

He created the thread prematurely! Miss! Miss!  wink

I'd like to start by complaining again about Sky One's idiotic policy of showing new episodes every couple of weeks (or months, sometimes). Thank You.
Nixorbo

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« Reply #3 on: 04-02-2004 14:42 »

Stop reading if this was mentioned in the last thread:

So the voice talents are holding out for new contracts.  I don't have the link handy, though.  Anyway, don't cave, Fox!  Don't cave, voice talent!
Tweek

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« Reply #4 on: 04-02-2004 16:29 »

Here is what the BBC has to say about it,
evan

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« Reply #5 on: 04-02-2004 17:04 »

I thought it was just an April Fool's Joke.
Tweek

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« Reply #6 on: 04-02-2004 17:26 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
I thought it was just an April Fool's Joke.
Perhaps, the story is dated yesterday, if it is a joke it seems to have been taken up by most news sources though.

Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #7 on: 04-02-2004 17:44 »

If this is true, don't they get paid enough for each episode by now anyway? Also, does this in any way effect the movie?...
User_names_suck
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« Reply #8 on: 04-02-2004 18:02 »

It doesn't affect the movie no, that still going to be produced.
I think what they ask is too much but some raise is justified its happend before where they demanded a raise and got what they wanted after season 9 I think, they were criminally underpaid in the old days I think.
I'm confused though because it had been said that eveyrone had signed on to season 16, so I'd have thought demanding this raise now would be a breach of contract.
But anyway I'm sure it'll get settled.
leelaholic

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« Reply #9 on: 04-02-2004 18:04 »
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
What about the ladies?...
Ladies? At PEEL? Ha!
J.P. Diddy Wow

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« Reply #10 on: 04-02-2004 18:08 »

And the movie probably won't happen for another couple of years, and by then, like User_names_suck said, by then it will probably all be settled.
leelaholic

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« Reply #11 on: 04-02-2004 18:12 »

Yeah, I have to agree with Diddy that this probably won't last.
Shadowstar

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« Reply #12 on: 04-02-2004 19:00 »

About the voice actor thing. It's deja vu all over again, but think about it. Live action people get one million for an episode of complete dreck. What's the problem with giving the Simpsons actors a few hundred thousand? Price is why!
CrazyDoc

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« Reply #13 on: 04-02-2004 19:30 »

While I think the big six deserve a raise, I think what they're asking for is a little excessive. I also think some are more deserving than others, for example Dan Castellaneta voices many secondary characters in addition to Homer, while Yeardley Smith only does Lisa. However, I'm with Leelaholic on this one. It'll blow over soon enough.
Lurrr

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« Reply #14 on: 04-02-2004 19:38 »
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With all this fuss about whether the voice actors deserve a pay rise, have we forgotten the poor old animators and writers? We never hear about them demanding a pay rise (although I don't think Fox would think twice about booting them off the show- they can easily be replaced by someone who knows how to lick boot better).

I've also watched a couple of later Simpsons episodes recently since they've been on BBC 2. There was the one where Bart becomes a jockey and one where Marge gets jealous of that woman, Becky. I never realised just how dire the series had become- neither of these episodes had a coherent plot, the jokes were lame at best, and barely anything made sense ('elf' jockeys? Where the hell did that come from?!?)

I've learnt my lesson now. I'm not watching another episode past season 9 ever. *hugs his copy of season 3*
CrazyDoc

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« Reply #15 on: 04-02-2004 20:18 »

Lrrr, have you seen any Al Jean episodes? Both eps you mentioned come from Season 11, which is widely regarded as the worst ever.
Lurrr

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« Reply #16 on: 04-02-2004 21:03 »

I'm not sure, I don't pay much attention to the credits. Checking out www.snpp.com  though, I haven't seen any episodes past Season 11 (that's the one the BBC is running now).
Gorky

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« Reply #17 on: 04-02-2004 21:39 »

Speaking as a lady, my view on the voice artists:

The voice-over community isn't the richest bunch of actors, especially those who make a living only out of cartoon and commercial voice-overs. Because this community is small, I believe that the actors who are apart of it should be paid much more than they get now, because a great talent is hard to get. In my opinion, all of the actors who work for the show are teriffic, and should be paid for their work. And, as Shadowstar said, people who work in live action are paid in the million dollar range for their work, so it's only fair that voice artists earn at least half of that.
Woodbot 2.0

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« Reply #18 on: 04-02-2004 21:44 »
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Well,what's wrong with what there saying?
If you worked at a job for a long time,you would want a raise,wouldn't you?
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leelaholic

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« Reply #19 on: 04-02-2004 21:57 »

 
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Originally posted by Lurrr:
I haven't seen any episodes past Season 11
D'oh!
M0le

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« Reply #20 on: 04-02-2004 22:12 »

Well, it's best to consider how much money FOX and other companies make off the Simpsons compared with how much the voice actors are paid. Sitcom actors and real-life show actors get paid a lot more, for often terrible acting.
Although the amount they want may seem large to us (US$470,000, isn't it?), the Simpsons is one of the most watched shows in the world.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #21 on: 04-02-2004 22:38 »

This story is entirely true, and its also entirely routine.  Everytime the contracts expire, the representatives issue a similar statement to the press, and then both the actors and Fox negotiate.  Things will be up and running again soon enough.

And Lurr, seriously, season eleven is rock bottom.  Its mostly all uphill from there (which isn't to say season 12 is very good either).  When BBC finally gets to season 13 or so, try catching some episodes again and then you can evaluate your interest in the show again.
bankrupt

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« Reply #22 on: 04-03-2004 00:06 »

 
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Originally posted by Lurrr:
With all this fuss about whether the voice actors deserve a pay rise, have we forgotten the poor old animators and writers?

You can go ahead and give the animators a raise, but the writers should be given a pay cut.  It should be progressive with an increasing penalty for each self referencing joke penned.

leelaholic

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« Reply #23 on: 04-03-2004 00:08 »
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Season 11 sucks. Don't watch it.

"Behind the Laughter" and "Brother's Little Helper" are IMO good episodes, but only two good ones in a season isn't redeeming. It's awful!

Season 12 had more good ones. "Trilogy of Error", "Hungry, Hungry Homer", "HOMR", and some others push it ahead of 11 in my opinion.

They both bombed big-time, but season 12 is definitely the lesser of two evils.
Agent Rodriquez

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« Reply #24 on: 04-03-2004 03:32 »

They want $360,000 per episode or $ 8 million per season. Because they only work about 6-7 hours to do an episode they would make more than Ray Ramano who is currently the highest paid sitcom actor at around 1.7 million an episode.  Here's a link to the article I found this at: http://comingsoon.net/news.php?id=4139
bender+fry

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« Reply #25 on: 04-03-2004 03:51 »

thats ridiculous. they make way to much per episode anyway.
Grim

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« Reply #26 on: 04-03-2004 04:57 »

Who is this Al? he has the right idea about season 15 tho  wink

I have completely lost track of the simpsons in the last few years and generally only watch the repeats that they play here at 6 every evening, not just because I hate the new ones, but I am always busy with my life when they are on.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #27 on: 04-03-2004 05:24 »

Those prices are ridiculous indeed. All those millions simply going to the voice actors... poor Futurama...

Also, I wonder how much Dan got for voicing the Robot Devil?...
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #28 on: 04-03-2004 05:29 »
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[Bender]Not enough![/Bender]

I still hold hope that the entire cast will quit in disgust, leaving (and thereby ending) the show for good... but knowing Fox they'd simply hire new actors who can perform passible imitations of character's voices... riding the cash cow, kicking and snorting, into the hazy, glum sunset...
User_names_suck
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« Reply #29 on: 04-03-2004 07:13 »

It would really be shame for the show to stop due to voice actors quitting when the show is on such an upwards curve.
Yes voice actors desrve more, but I dont think the live action argument works, because you have to be on camera, you have to work on facial expressions and body movement. (Although you could say voice actors do this as well to really get into the role, its still not the same) You also have to put up with SlackJawedMoron(s) starring at you in the street.
Althoug some of the more diehard fans would recognise them however.
Guy

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« Reply #30 on: 04-03-2004 08:47 »

Gruff voice: Plus, they could replace them and no one could tell the diddly-ifference.

Seriousely, three threads? Calm down people.
bankrupt

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« Reply #31 on: 04-03-2004 12:17 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
It would really be shame for the show to stop due to voice actors quitting when the show is on such an upwards curve.

Eh, I'd call it more of a flat line with a tiny blip every now and then. 
Gorky

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« Reply #32 on: 04-03-2004 17:12 »

Well, some individual episodes are like that, but I think that as a whole season 15 is the best that we've seen in a while.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #33 on: 04-03-2004 17:28 »

Yes probaly the best since season 8 although it definatley wont match that.
I've done it before but what the hell its a new thread.
Season Rankings
7,6,4,8,5,3,2,1,15,9,13=14,10,12,11.
leelaholic

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« Reply #34 on: 04-03-2004 18:28 »

I agree with User Name. Best season in years.

4,7,6,8,5,3,2,1,15,9,13,14,10.......12,11.

Thanks, Al.  wink
newhook_1

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« Reply #35 on: 04-03-2004 21:55 »

Heh, I read Simpsons Comics #87: "Hail To The... Cat?" today, good stuff. Somehow ultra wacky plotlines lend themselves better to Simpsons comics than they do to the show, but that might have something to do with the wacky episodes of the Scully years having no logical plot flow what so ever.

British Guy: "We claim this city and rename it New England!"

Skinner: "There already is a New England!"

British Guy: "Fine! Then we'll call it Super New England! Happy now, Super New England citizens?"
DotheBartman

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« Reply #36 on: 04-03-2004 22:45 »
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron:
[Bender]Not enough![/Bender]

I still hold hope that the entire cast will quit in disgust, leaving (and thereby ending) the show for good... but knowing Fox they'd simply hire new actors who can perform passible imitations of character's voices... riding the cash cow, kicking and snorting, into the hazy, glum sunset...

NONE OF THAT HAS ANY CHANCE OF HAPPENING.

The voice actors clearly still take pride in voicing their characters and still seem to enjoy it quite a bit.  Considering they already make a ton of money off the show and consider it a "dream job", they aren't about to quit.

They are simply asking for more money because they can.  I'm sure they have every intention of coming back to the show as soon as it is resolved, and it WILL be resolved.  They are just trying to make a more proportional amount of money off of a show that makes billions of dollars.  Most of us would do the same in that position, no matter how much we happened to love working on it

Edit: And Grim, "Al" is a reference to a joke this season.  In this year's Christmas show, there's a bit where Homer is watching "A Christmas Carol" (as told through a "Mr. Magroo" cartoon) and makes the connection between Scrooge and his own behavior.  At one point the ghost of Christmas future shows Scrooge/Magroo his tombstone, which says "unloved by All", but Homer misreads it as "Unloved by Al" and screams "Noooo!" (then does the same thing when the ghost points out the extra "L" ).

Oh, and you probably shouldn't say season 15 is bad if you haven't even been watching any of it.
leelaholic

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« Reply #37 on: 04-04-2004 00:31 »
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Originally posted by newhook_1:
British Guy: "We claim this city and rename it New England!"

Skinner: "There already is a New England!"

British Guy: "Fine! Then we'll call it Super New England! Happy now, Super New England citizens?"

Moe: "No. But then I really never am. Curse this crippling depression."

That issue is great!

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
Oh, and you probably shouldn't say season 15 is bad if you haven't even been watching any of it.
Why not? He sure wouldn't be the first...
bankrupt

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« Reply #38 on: 04-04-2004 00:46 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
 

Oh, and you probably shouldn't say season 15 is bad if you haven't even been watching any of it.

Actually, I've watched 95% season 15 and I find 95% of it pretty uninspiring. 
DotheBartman

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« Reply #39 on: 04-04-2004 04:28 »
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Originally posted by bankrupt:
 Actually, I've watched 95% season 15 and I find 95% of it pretty uninspiring. 

I wasn't referring to you, just Grim.  He made that comment about "Al" being right about season fifteen, then said that he's completely lost track of the show.  Kind of unfair and hypocritical.

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