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Shadowstar

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« Reply #400 on: 03-03-2004 18:09 »
« Last Edit on: 03-03-2004 18:09 »

Yeah, "Bart to the Future" blows. But I really had no real problem with Homer's subplot, it was actually kinda funny. The problem(s) I have is that not one of the characters matured at all in that episode, character-wise or voice-wise. Bart sounded exactly the same, while he had a deeper voice in "Lisa's Wedding." This is just one big annoyance in a horrible episode, even more so compared to the wonderful "Lisa's Wedding."
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« Reply #401 on: 03-03-2004 18:35 »

What teeside meant to say was

 
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 Thats a fucking Hot picture Kryten. Best Wank I've ever had.


Shadowstar

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« Reply #402 on: 03-03-2004 18:51 »

Ahahahaha! Great!
Gorky

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« Reply #403 on: 03-03-2004 21:14 »
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Originally posted by Shadowstar:
Yeah, "Bart to the Future" blows. But I really had no real problem with Homer's subplot, it was actually kinda funny.

I wasn't neccessarily saying that Homer's subplot wasn't funny, it just didn't do much for the episode.
I'm not really against Homer subplots, but I think, in an episode that could have been much better, Homer's story would have been better if it wasn't so unbelievably stupid. I mean, Lisa was the president ("President-elect" ), and the whole family was in the White House. The possibilities were endless. I'm just saying that, although it wasn't as apparent in the Scully-era, The Simpsons has some of the best writers out there, and, in my opinion, they could have done a better job.

leelaholic

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« Reply #404 on: 03-03-2004 21:27 »

"That theater goin', rail splittin' freak!"

Homer was funny, but pointlessly random and didn't do much for the episode at all.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #405 on: 03-03-2004 21:40 »
« Last Edit on: 03-03-2004 21:40 »

Well, I thought the subplot was horribly banal and not funny at all.  What made its shittiness specifically stand out though (as opposed to every single other Homer plot or subplot in seasons 10-12, which were almost universally banal and stupid), is that they actually had to put one in an episode set in the future.  A futuristic episode doesn't show up that much...in over 300+ shows, there's only two of them.  An episode like that should be a special occasion, something the writers really put some care into and something that really gives an interesting glimpse into the future of these characters.  But what do we get?  A really unrealistic (for the characters) and frankly pretty uninteresting plot.  And there's a SUBPLOT of Homer searching for gold.  Its like, we can watch that retarded Homer character go through another get rich quick scheme anytime, but here's a real oppurtunity for Scully and the staff to do something truly special, and they waste it on a shitty sitcom plot.  Meanwhile even in the main plot the characters are written quite horribly and without anything interesting happening.  God, even the sci-fi gags were lame.  Choosing between the hover and non hover buses?  That's supposed to be a good futuristic joke?
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« Reply #406 on: 03-04-2004 01:59 »

Bart to the Future just plainly blowed.
Teesside Inc

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« Reply #407 on: 03-04-2004 06:23 »
« Last Edit on: 03-04-2004 06:23 »

The Simpsons - Diatribe Of A Mad Housewife sky one Sunday 11th April, as ever at 6:30pm.
 http://www.snpp.com/upcoming/uk.html
leelaholic

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« Reply #408 on: 03-04-2004 09:32 »

 
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The Simpsons - I, D'oh-Bot sky one Sunday 28th March, as usual at 6:30pm.
 http://www.snpp.com/upcoming/uk.html
Nobody cares, you keep linking crappy episodes anyway.

If you don't care, what the shit are you doing in this thread?

Nurdbot

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« Reply #409 on: 03-04-2004 11:06 »

Fanboy baiting, you idiot!
Bushmeister

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« Reply #410 on: 03-04-2004 12:19 »

I would also agree in saying that 'Lisa's Wedding' offered a much nicer view of future Simpsons than 'Bart to the Future'. Sorry but the whole idea of 'Abe Lincoln's gold' just smacks of idiocy being substituted for humour. A wack to far, especially in comparison to the feel-good denouement of LW.
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« Reply #411 on: 03-04-2004 14:02 »

There are still pointless debates raging about the quality of recent-day Simpsons?

Honestly people, the show's comedic validity has degraded to a level ranker than goat's cheese which has spent a fortnight marinating in the boot of a professional footballer. It's simple fact. Having the occasional joke which can raise a laugh, or a couple of plots per season which don't feel more forced than a concrete slab going through a cheese grater does not a great comedy show make.

It doesn't matter whether an episode weighs in well against the show's own highly dubious and irrelevant standards, because nobody is paying attention to it anymore! Leave Leelaholic and his delusions to fester at the bottom of the comedy pit, and crawl out into the light. The Simpsons has had it's day in the sun, now it's the turn of other, and currently superior shows to gain your critical focus and appreciation.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #412 on: 03-04-2004 14:47 »

Well said, SXD!
Shadowstar

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« Reply #413 on: 03-04-2004 15:22 »

Hell yeah, SXD! Everybody do the Bender! [dances]
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« Reply #414 on: 03-04-2004 15:45 »

 
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Originally posted by SamuelXDiamond:
There are still pointless debates raging about the quality of recent-day Simpsons?

Honestly people, the show's comedic validity has degraded to a level ranker than goat's cheese which has spent a fortnight marinating in the boot of a professional footballer. It's simple fact. Having the occasional joke which can raise a laugh, or a couple of plots per season which don't feel more forced than a concrete slab going through a cheese grater does not a great comedy show make.

It doesn't matter whether an episode weighs in well against the show's own highly dubious and irrelevant standards, because nobody is paying attention to it anymore! Leave Leelaholic and his delusions to fester at the bottom of the comedy pit, and crawl out into the light. The Simpsons has had it's day in the sun, now it's the turn of other, and currently superior shows to gain your critical focus and appreciation.

*Sigh* Season 15 has really been showing signs of huge Improvment, its still not the classic era, although some episodes have matched and better'd some of them, I assume you haven't been watching the show recently, Leelaholic isn't the only one still likes the simpsons, and its not really a case of deluding oneself, DoTheBartman probably the most respected of us people who still like the simpsons would agree the show is now enjoyable, In most episodes the good easily outweighs the bad.
We've gone over this already, you probably haven't read the whole thread (not that I blame you ) Your post is pretty irrelervant and just restating arguments that have already been argued, and argued against.
Pretty much the whole online simpsons community agrees (at least The NHC) that the Scully era sucks but year by year Al Jean has been recovering it to make it back into the fantastic show it once was. And as seen in some Episodes the team are capbable of matching, and bettering some of the classic era episodes. So there is no reason to stop its progress. I really cannot stress enough that many Intellegent people are still enjoying the show and are not deluding themselves of the shows decline or that the show is always equal to the classic era.

Oh and before people jump on me saying  Samuel X Diamond is entitled to his own opinon, I'm aware of that, I'm just pointing out my opinion and why I belive he should rethink some of his opinions because I belive some to be slightly misguided.
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« Reply #415 on: 03-04-2004 16:15 »
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You're welcome to your own opinion of course UNS. But I would agree with SXD here.
SamuelXDiamond

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« Reply #416 on: 03-04-2004 16:19 »
« Last Edit on: 03-04-2004 16:19 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck on page 1:
Dont worry I was just trying to piss people off

I wasn't really prepared delve into the 10 pages of murky back-and-forth slogging which surely followed this delightfully constructive comment.

I understand what you're saying about the show being okay by it's own current standards nowadays, but why are there still continuous attempts to justify it's relevance? What do you really get from watching an episode of The Simpsons series 15 that you can't get anywhere else?

I'll watch the show with mild interest today, when i'm sitting on my ass in front of the tellybox with nothing else to do, but I fail to see how anybody derives genuine joy from this show, with it's re-heated (yet still lukewarm) plots, turgid characterisation (say what you may, but I simply cannot ignore all of the damage that's been done) and, when it comes down to it, painfully unfunny jokes.

The show simply fails to engage on a mental level, an emotional level, or a comedic level. If you can eak out small nuances of interest from such a horribly rotting cartoon, then I salute you, you're more willingly dedicated to your own feeble senses of dramatic and artistic appreciation than I thought possible.

The No Homers club is a Simpsons fan board. I recommend the discussions are taken there, because the majority of the reviews posted by The Simpsons fans here are just copy-and-pastes from over there anyway. Posting them here where there is such a strong feeling against post series-9 Simpsons is just foolish and will result in nothing else but the admittedly childish arguing which we're all a part of.
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« Reply #417 on: 03-04-2004 17:26 »

Even if I just fanboy bait, I agree with everyone that magnificent bastard just said!
Ranadok

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« Reply #418 on: 03-04-2004 18:09 »

How hard is it to have one thread on the Simpsons that isn't flooded by people complaining about and insulting it? I mean, I think that (for example) WWE and Friends both suck, but I don't go into their respective threads and insult the shows. I let them discuss the things they are interested in.

There is no reason to move Simpsons discussions over to the NHC. If so, then why don't the people in all the other threads move their conversations over to other boards that are dedicated to their shows, too?  This is the TV section of a Futurama board, I don't see why it is a problem to discuss a show that (whether you think it is still good or not) is still quite popular and liked.  I agree that one Simpsons thread is enough, this is not a dedicated Simpsons board after all, but why can't this show get the respect afforded to other shows in having a single thread for people to discuss it in a civilised manner.  I'm not asking for everyone to praise the show or telling people that they shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions, but when every Simpsons thread gets the same mindless "the simpsons suck and have for years!" posts, it doesn't help and leads to posts like these. Knee-jerk, poorly thought out, reactionary posts like this one.  Jeepers.

This isn't directed at any specific person (well, the part about moving discussion is, but the rest isn't), it's just me being fed up.
leelaholic

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« Reply #419 on: 03-04-2004 18:22 »

I completely agree. It's even more annoying when they don't even watch the show anymore.
Ranadok

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« Reply #420 on: 03-04-2004 18:33 »

Oh no, leelaholic agrees with me? I take it all back!

Just kidding. No offence leelaholic, just good-natured fun.
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« Reply #421 on: 03-04-2004 18:40 »

 
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I completely agree. It's even more annoying when they don't even watch the show anymore.
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I'll watch the show with mild interest today, when i'm sitting on my ass in front of the tellybox with nothing else to do
leelaholic

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« Reply #422 on: 03-04-2004 18:43 »
« Last Edit on: 03-04-2004 18:43 »

I wasn't referring to you. I was talking about someone else.

I won't name names, but it rhymes with "Otis P. Jivefunk"

[OLDER BART]What happened to you, Otis? You used to be so cool.[/OLDER BART]
PCC Fred

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« Reply #423 on: 03-04-2004 18:47 »

 
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I completely agree. It's even more annoying when they don't even watch the show anymore.

I still watch the show, and I say what I see.  Seaason 15's had some good episodes, but it's also had some right clunkers too.  It's not that the show sucks, it's just that it's not as consistently good as it was seven or eight years ago.

However at it's best it wipes the floor with Enterprise, which is currently taking the Star Trek franchise on a one-way ticket to oblivion.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #424 on: 03-04-2004 18:53 »

 
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I wasn't referring to you. I was talking about someone else.

I wonder why  roll eyes I've already stated time and time again my reasons for not watching anymore, and fully justified it time and time again already. Last time this got brought up I told you to get over it, but obviously you haven't. You're even more pathetic than I  thought. And even if that "someone" else you were referring to wasn't me, (although I have good reason to believe it is) it doesn't change how pathetic you are.
leelaholic

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« Reply #425 on: 03-04-2004 18:58 »

And I've justified my reasons for not watching "Barney", but that doesn't mean that I'm going to go to a daycare and tell all the children that their show sucks (especially when I haven't seen the current season).
PCC Fred

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« Reply #426 on: 03-04-2004 19:03 »

Yeah, apparently the current writing team are taking Barney in strange new directions...  roll eyes

Down Otis!  Bad DOOP Secretary!
leelaholic

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« Reply #427 on: 03-04-2004 19:05 »

Okay. Bad example, but it gets the point across... sorta.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #428 on: 03-04-2004 19:05 »

 
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 I still watch the show, and I say what I see.  Seaason 15's had some good episodes, but it's also had some right clunkers too.  It's not that the show sucks, it's just that it's not as consistently good as it was seven or eight years ago.


Yeah, most shows have a few clunkers/weaker episodes in each season.  The Simpsons may have been amazingly consistantly avoiding any bad episodes for a number of years (which is INCREDIBLY debateable anyway), but its the only show that went as long as it did without a huge clunker that I can think of.  No show can be expected to hold those kind of standards.

Samuel X. Diamond: It is clear to me that you shouldn't even be bothering to watch when you're bored, and that you should completely give up on ever THINKING about The Simpsons again.  Seriously.  Sell every single Simpsons item you have (assuming you have any), and just pretend The Simpsons never exsisted.  If you're so adament about finding "better shows with more to offer", why waste your time on a show you've obviously just completetly tired of?
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #429 on: 03-04-2004 19:18 »

 
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Yeah, apparently the current writing team are taking Barney in strange new directions...   roll eyes

"I love you,
You love me,
Please don't tell your family..."


 Wait, that's nothing new...  red face
Shadowstar

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« Reply #430 on: 03-04-2004 19:40 »

Hmmm...
March 14: The Ziff That Came to Dinner
I liked "Half-Decent Proposal," I hope this one is just as good.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #431 on: 03-04-2004 19:41 »
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And I've justified my reasons for not watching "Barney", but that doesn't mean that I'm going to go to a daycare and tell all the children that their show sucks (especially when I haven't seen the current season).

This doesnít get your post across "sorta", you need a point for that. Thereís an obvious difference here, one which holds host to the reasons for many of the hate fueled posts towards modern Simpsons episodes. Just because so many people are posting their hate towards modern Simpsons, it doesnít mean to say that they hate the show entirely. Most people who hate the show now, hate it because they actually cared about the characters in the past, and actually loved the show at some point. Most of their hate, and my hate, is fueled by what the show has turned into now, and how the characters we once cared for have sunk to such lows. The difference being, unless you cared for Barney (oh god, please no...), why would you even care to post your hate in the first place?...

And just incase for some bizarre freaky reason you did actually like Barney (Iím not saying you did though, this is hypothetic incase, because I wouldnít put it past you), the other difference, which you stated, is that itís a childrenís show, and itís for young children at that. It is unlikely that, past childhood you would even care about the show. As where The Simpsons can be enjoyed by all ages, and unlike Barney, we can hate the new eps now, but still continue to watch and enjoy the episodes from the golden years now. Our age wonít make us outgrow the old eps, unlike with Barney. And because we still love the old eps now, but continue to see the characters being destroyed in modern eps now, itís bound to cause some anger and hate. The answer for me was not to watch anymore. The very fact Iíve been driven to this still drives me to hate the show now, and have a justifiable opinion now, unlike you now with Barney. So obviously you wouldnít go into a daycare and tell all the children how much it sucks.

Itís just sad not to be able to be able to defend your points against SXD, and instead bring me into the argument again. And donít even try justifying why you did this for yet another time, because my reply to SXD earlier was just that his post was "well said", not that I agreed. I couldnít agree in full, because I wasnít familiar with everything he was referring to. I merely commented on the way he put it across, and that it was well said. Thatís no reason to bring me back into this tired and pointless babbling argument.

And for the love of god, I have never said that I think the show totally sucks now. I have always stayed true to the fact that it still has itís nuggets even now, but I felt it wasnít worth the pay-off to go through so many crap eps just to get to the few reasonable ones. How many times do I have to say this, yet still you falsely accuse me of writing the show off altogether and saying everything the show does now sucks. It doesnít, not everything sucks, I know it doesnít, and I never said it did     roll eyes

     
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Yeah, apparently the current writing team are taking Barney in strange new directions...      roll eyes

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« Reply #432 on: 03-04-2004 20:44 »

Please can we all just drop this discussion as to whether or not 'The Simpsons suck now, no one is going to change anyones opinion, and nothing will be achieved by going back and forth in this manner.' (Well nothings going to be achieved no matter what we discuss Everything is meanigless trivial discussion anyway but thats beside the point. and Sorry I really shouldn't ramble like this just because I'm writing in brackets, it probably distracts from my point and takes away from what little credibility my posts have)
Can we just stick to Season 15 reviews and other Miscellanous Simpson topics.
leelaholic

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« Reply #433 on: 03-04-2004 21:20 »

Yup. Nobody is going to change their opinion (especially when they haven't watched a single episode this season and have a knack for stirring up trouble for no reason). So, to get back to Simpsons-related topics...

My Ratings For Every Season Holdover

-When Flanders Failed B
-Stark Raving Dad A
-A Streetcar Named Marge A
-Kamp Krusty A+
-Homer's Barbershop Quartet A
-Cape Feare A+
-Bart of Darkness A
-Lisa's Rival B+
-Radioactive Man A
-Who Shot Mr. Burns Part 2 A
-You Only Move Twice A
-The Mysterious Voyage of Homer A
-The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson A+
-The Principal and the Pauper B
-Lisa the Simpson A+
-When You Dish Upon a Star C-
-Lard of the Dance B+
-Wizard of Evergreen Terrace B-
-Bart the Mother B
-E-I-E-I-D'oh B-
-Guess Who's Coming to Criticize Dinner? B+
-Brother's Little Helper A+
-Beyond Blunder dome C
-Insane Clown Poppy B
-A Tale of Two Springfields C+
-Treehouse of Horror XI B-
-HOMR A
-A Hunka Hunka Burns in Love B-
-THOH XII B-
-Homer the Moe D
-The Blunder Years C
-The Parent Rap C+
-Large Marge C
-THOH XIII B+
-Bart vs. Lisa vs. the 3rd Grade C+
-Helter Shelter C-
-How I Spent My Strummer Vacation B
-My Mother the Carjacker A+
-The Fat and the Furriest B-
-The President Wore Pearls A-
-THOH XIV B
-The Regina Monologues B+
FishyJoe

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« Reply #434 on: 03-04-2004 21:55 »

...I liked Barney better when he was a drunk.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #435 on: 03-04-2004 23:05 »

 
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...I liked Barney better when he was a drunk.

"*Hic* Hey kids, want Barney to take you on a magical adventure?"
"I don't like you anymore!"
"Where do you think you're going?" (swipes bottle)

Regarding the Barney on The Simpsons though, I think you may be in luck soon.....

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« Reply #436 on: 03-05-2004 01:50 »
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It would be hilarious if they hype up the possibility that Barney is getting re-drunkinated, then have it all back to sobertown by the end of the episode to make people mad. Really, really mad.  I don't think that's too likely, though. I would expect them more to avoid barney altogether in the upcoming episode in question.
leelaholic

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« Reply #437 on: 03-05-2004 08:55 »

Coming soon from The Simpsons...

The Simpsons Go Wild!

Worst DVD idea ever.

I mean, what do these episodes even have in common?? (other than the fact that they all suck, of course)
Kryten

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« Reply #438 on: 03-05-2004 09:44 »

This must be some new definition of classic. "Homer's Night Out" is the only episode in that collection that deserves that title.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #439 on: 03-05-2004 10:17 »

Ouch, that is really sad.  Three "F" worthy episodes in my top ten worst, and then an episode that's already available on season one.  That's truly pathetic.
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