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Teesside Inc

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« Reply #360 on: 03-02-2004 03:59 »
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The Simpsons - I, D'oh-Bot sky one Sunday 28th March, as usual at 6:30pm.
 http://www.snpp.com/upcoming/uk.html
alexvilagosh

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« Reply #361 on: 03-02-2004 05:04 »

'Tis The 15th Season. Wow. It was great, B+ material, right up until Homer decided to steal everyones presents. Before that it was good, and the ending was alright, overall a B. A good episode.
Shadowstar

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« Reply #362 on: 03-02-2004 08:20 »
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Heh, not one of the best, but still good. I'm talking about Nurdy's picture from the previous page.
Kryten

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« Reply #363 on: 03-02-2004 10:24 »
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"SIMPSONS SUXXORS!!!!111" is now as stupid and cliche'd as "SIMPSONS RULZ!!!!!1111"

And you, Teesside, you creep me out. If you're gonna wank to a Lisa Simpson picture, at least wank to something like this:

PCC Fred

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« Reply #364 on: 03-02-2004 10:43 »
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
The Simpsons - I, D'oh-Bot sky one Sunday 28th March, as usual at 6:30pm.

It's a shame the Brazilian GP's been moved to October, now I need a new flimsy pretext to miss the Simpsons.

[EDIT]Nice picture Kryten.  Now I'm filled with a number of confusing and disturbing emotions...[/EDIT]
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #365 on: 03-02-2004 14:11 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
 Who is Leelaholic?     confused

P.S. Lisa Simpson is not a whiney PC thug!     mad

P.S.S. Homer Simpson is still a fat slob!   up yours

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
Lisa Simpson and Leelaholic are not whiney PC thugs!   up yours

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
I 8 Leelaholic!!   evil laugh

Keep taking the pills…

 
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Originally posted by Shadowstar:
Didn't you already say that?
Leelaholic is a fellow Simpsons fan, who keeps fighting for more episodes and loves all the new ones and thinks they're better than Futurama.
What a dilusional child.

I wholeheartedly endorse your brand.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #366 on: 03-02-2004 15:20 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
The Simpsons - I, D'oh-Bot sky one Sunday 28th March, as usual at 6:30pm.
 http://www.snpp.com/upcoming/uk.html
Nobody cares, you keep linking crappy episodes anyway.

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« Reply #367 on: 03-02-2004 16:24 »

Wow My internet connection fucks up for a few days
and this thread goes mental. Well I guess its really only teeside and Nurdbots increased involvment, but still very strange.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #368 on: 03-02-2004 16:33 »

And don't forget leelaholic fingering everyone...
Nurdbot

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« Reply #369 on: 03-02-2004 16:38 »

 
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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
I could never resist a challenge.


For those who missed it. Last one as well.

David A

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« Reply #370 on: 03-02-2004 16:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
And don't forget leelaholic fingering everyone...

[Austin Powers]That sounds vaguely dirty.[/Austin Powers]
evan

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« Reply #371 on: 03-02-2004 16:44 »

Uh, Kryten....that picture of "Lisa" makes her look like she's suffering during a famine. I didn't think she'd grow up to be that thin and boney.  Maybe it's the shading, but her breastbone looks sunken in.
David A

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« Reply #372 on: 03-02-2004 16:51 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
Uh, Kryten....that picture of "Lisa" makes her look like she's suffering during a famine. I didn't think she'd grow up to be that thin and boney.  Maybe it's the shading, but her breastbone looks sunken in.

She is a vegetarian, you know.  They all look like that.   tongue

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
Kryten

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« Reply #373 on: 03-02-2004 16:54 »

I'll see if I can hunt down some of the other "adult Lisa" pics I've seen.
Bushmeister

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« Reply #374 on: 03-02-2004 17:08 »

I would hazard a guess that those pictures have given me more chuckles than some new Simpsons episodes that leelaholic most likely drools over.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #375 on: 03-02-2004 17:17 »

 
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Originally posted by Bushmeister:
I would hazard a guess that those pictures have given me more chuckles than some new Simpsons episodes that leelaholic most likely drools over.

Ditto.

Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #376 on: 03-02-2004 17:35 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
 She is a vegetarian, you know.  They all look like that.    tongue


What about Free Waterfall Jr.? He was a fat vegetarian.
David A

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« Reply #377 on: 03-02-2004 17:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
 What about Free Waterfall Jr.? He was a fat vegetarian.

Haven't we had this conversation before?
evan

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« Reply #378 on: 03-02-2004 17:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
I'll see if I can hunt down some of the other "adult Lisa" pics I've seen.

Please don't.

But, then again, I do have a morbid curiousity. I might click on them, but I won't like them.
Gorky

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« Reply #379 on: 03-02-2004 17:42 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
(Third attempt)
I hate Aol.

Ah-ha. Now here's a guy who speaks my language.

 
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Now, first off, there's just a certain faction of the audience that doesn't watch for the reasons we might.  We talk about things like characterization, plotting, satire, etc, but some fans don't care a lick about any of that.  They just watch to see that crazy Homer Simpson show featuring that cartoon clown who's really stupid and gets hurt a lot.  This group of the audience (which, I would observe, tends to be made up largely of children and pre-teens) is the only explanation as to how I could've heard some of my peers quoting "Simpsons Safari" and laughing (even Mike Reiss vocally hated that episode).

I especially agree with this. People that I have come in contact with who watch the show can basically quote funny one-liners. This actually happened a few days ago. I was talking about one thing or another to a friend and they quoted, from "HOMR" (although I'm sure that they didn't know the title),

Homer: You mean I have a crayon in my brain? (points to stomach).
Analyst: (moves finger to head).

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to know that many people that I know watch the show, but, as I saw this person acting this line out, I realized that they watch the show for Homer (who is, as James L. Brook said in an interview in the early '90s "...one of the finest examples of American manhood that we've ever put out there" and a great character on the show). But, it occurred to me that this person didn't notice or care that this episode (in my opinion, of course) is the best one of the Scully-era. They didn't know that this episode featured a down-to-Earth Homer who was portrayed in the script (by Al Jean) as "himself", the man we all know and love from the "Golden age" of The Simpsons (what I consider to be seasons 2-5). In a way, I feel as if I over-analyze everything (which I do) about the show, but I also realize that my peers don't, and probably never will, have a clue about how the show and the characters changed throughout its run.
   

 
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Lisa, on the other hand, is a more relatively "serious" character.  Most of her humor theoretically comes from the situations she's in and her interactions with other characters, as opposed to one liners.  And that faction of the audience that watches for crazy cartoon fun finds her to be "boring".

Again, I whole-heartedly agree. If I may quote a review for "The Simpsons: Hit And Run", regarding Homer, "...and luckily it's the newer, crazier Homer", as if it were a good thing.
Lisa, though, is the "real" one in the show. She grounds it. As you stated, she is funny because of who she is and her personality, not because of a one-liner. This is one of the problems with a character such as Marge. She is truly an incredibly ficticious character, as well as one-dimensional. If she ever helps an episode, it is due to a one-liner that is not only not that funny, but not that memorable, either (although, most recently in "Diatribe of a Mad Housewife", she is becoming a more bearable character). This is not the case with Lisa, though. In an episode such as "Lisa The Tree-Hugger" (another good season 12 episode), Lisa is memorable as a character and not an outlet for cheap jokes).

 
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And of course there's the Scully era (this is where I start speaking more for myself a little, for the most part).  Although Homer probably featured the most character degredation during the Scully era I would say Lisa is second only to him.  Bart may have become a bland straigtman, and Marge a psychotic cleaning freak (as opposed to a reasonable human being), but the moment the "angel" skeleton was discovered in season nine Lisa went absolutely haywire.  Take "Lisa the Iconlast" in season seven.  In that one she discovers some pretty nasty secrets about Jebediah Springfield and tried to get them out.  But at the end, she realizes that perhaps they were better kept as secrets and does what she thinks was really best for the town.  But if that aired during the Scully era, she would have gone ahead with it, telling all the secrets and then making some "I'm a genius and you're all idiots" speech (which then would follow with a town riot and Homer pushing someone off a cliff).  Basically she became what she was so upset about being called in Lisa the Iconlast: an annoying PC-Thug.  The generally caring character of the classic seasons was washed away and now here was a character that only cared about crusading for the sake of crusading and inflating her "I'm a genius" ego.  She was even used to "explain" jokes that didn't need explaining; for instance, "there's no cane in Citizen Kane!" and her reactions to the crazy animals in Simpsons Safari".  The writers even seemingly "fought back" at her to appease the twelve year olds who hated her, such as having her pummeled in "Bye Bye, Nerdie" or with some of Homer's comments to her.

I think that alot of earlier episodes from seasons prior to Scully's show-runner days would've been greatly ruined if he had had a chance to get his claws on them. This doesn't include only Lisa shows, but all of them. Look at "Lisa's Wedding". There were several touching moments in it (some of them due to Homer's actions). If Scully had been in command during the production of that one, this episode wouldn't have been the touching episode that we all love today (or, at least I do).

Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #380 on: 03-02-2004 17:44 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
 Haven't we had this conversation before?

No. That conversation was about why Free Waterfall Jr. was fat. This time, I use the one named smelly hippy to prove your "all vegetarians look like that" theory wrong.
David A

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« Reply #381 on: 03-02-2004 17:50 »

It wasn't a theory, it was a joke.

That's why I put this guy at the end:  tongue
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #382 on: 03-02-2004 17:53 »

I thought he was just licking the stamp.
David A

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« Reply #383 on: 03-02-2004 17:54 »

That too.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #384 on: 03-02-2004 23:54 »

 
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Originally from Gorky:
I think that alot of earlier episodes from seasons prior to Scully's show-runner days would've been greatly ruined if he had had a chance to get his claws on them. This doesn't include only Lisa shows, but all of them. Look at "Lisa's Wedding". There were several touching moments in it (some of them due to Homer's actions). If Scully had been in command during the production of that one, this episode wouldn't have been the touching episode that we all love today (or, at least I do).

Interesting.  Actually, if you remember, we did have "Bart to the Future" in season 11.  Whereas even a season six ("crazy Mirkin era" ) episode set in the future has a point to its exsistance and some truly moving scenes, the writing in the season eleven episode is so bad that they need to put another banal Homer subplot into it (really, what kind of thinking goes into that?).  Lisa's Wedding is one of my favorites too, btw.
Kryten

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« Reply #385 on: 03-03-2004 00:14 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
 Please don't.

But, then again, I do have a morbid curiousity. I might click on them, but I won't like them.

Nah, man, they're clean.

Rocketboy

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« Reply #386 on: 03-03-2004 06:38 »

That picture is pretty, Kryten
Kryten

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« Reply #387 on: 03-03-2004 09:31 »

It's not mine. I think the artist's name is Frank Siewart.
David A

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« Reply #388 on: 03-03-2004 09:43 »

Got any of Maggie?
PCC Fred

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« Reply #389 on: 03-03-2004 10:33 »
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Wow, that's a really cute picture.   love

*everyone stares at Fred*

er... I mean, DAMN YOU KRYTEN!!!   up yours
Teesside Inc

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« Reply #390 on: 03-03-2004 10:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
"SIMPSONS SUXXORS!!!!111" is now as stupid and cliche'd as "SIMPSONS RULZ!!!!!1111"

And you, Teesside, you creep me out. If you're gonna wank to a Lisa Simpson picture, at least wank to something like this:


Nice picture Kryten.

Bushmeister

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« Reply #391 on: 03-03-2004 12:43 »

Yes, a nice picture of a stick playing the saxophone.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #392 on: 03-03-2004 12:53 »
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And put that thing away, SuperFry junior. You'll go blind.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #393 on: 03-03-2004 13:07 »
« Last Edit on: 03-03-2004 13:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Bushmeister:
Yes, a nice picture of a stick playing the saxophone.

New episode – Lisa develops anorexia...
Nurdbot

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« Reply #394 on: 03-03-2004 13:11 »

No, that'd just be too sick and awful.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #395 on: 03-03-2004 13:17 »

Exactly...
User_names_suck
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« Reply #396 on: 03-03-2004 13:34 »

Nah there going to make her a lesbian, and then a cannibal, first.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #397 on: 03-03-2004 13:42 »

Or they could just do all three at once, Lisa Simpson; the anorexic lesbian cannibal...

On second thoughts, they'd probably have to use them as separate ep plots, seeing as there's such a lack of ideas...
rule brittannia

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« Reply #398 on: 03-03-2004 13:55 »

no just no!
Gorky

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« Reply #399 on: 03-03-2004 17:16 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
 Interesting.  Actually, if you remember, we did have "Bart to the Future" in season 11.  Whereas even a season six ("crazy Mirkin era" ) episode set in the future has a point to its exsistance and some truly moving scenes, the writing in the season eleven episode is so bad that they need to put another banal Homer subplot into it (really, what kind of thinking goes into that?).  Lisa's Wedding is one of my favorites too, btw.

"Bart to the Future" has to be one of the worst episodes (at least of the Scully era). If you look at the basic idea, Bart as an adult, it sounds promising, even though it is easy to compare it to the stellar "Lisa's Wedding" (which I shall do right now).
First things first, they both showed the Simpson family years in the future (although 2010 now seems eeirily close). "Lisa's Wedding" focused on the entire family, as did "Bart to the Future".
That is about it for similarities, though.
Now the differences:

"Lisa's Wedding"
-focused mainly on Lisa
-had a subplot with Hugh and Homer's relationship
-included the theme of showing Lisa and Homer's father/daughter relationship (which we also saw in, for one, "Lisa's Substitute" )
-had an "awww" ending

"Bart to the Future"
-focused mainly on Bart
-had a, what I call, "Captain Wacky in the future" subplot
-was more of a joke-driven plot, as opposed to the character-driven plot in "Lisa's Wedding"

For those of you who don't know what I mean by the "awww" ending, I am referring to Homer and Lisa walking away, with Lisa contently listening to Homer's story of his day at the Rennasaince Faire (the music in that last scene was great, by the way).
Anyway, all I am trying to say is that "Lisa's Wedding" was a memorable season 6 episode, as well as a great episode of the series as a whole. "Bart to the Future" was "just another Scully show".   

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