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David A

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« Reply #320 on: 02-28-2004 15:21 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
Do anyone have pic of Lisa Simpson, please?

Here you go.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
CyberKnight

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« Reply #321 on: 02-28-2004 15:21 »
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
Admittedly it was one of Season Six’s worst eps, but at least it still had it's moments. Like hanging from next doors gutter for bad mouthing mggiver (or however that program is spelt)

I think it's spelt MacGyver (just to answer your query  wink)

I actually don't mind that episode too much. What suprises me even more is that "Round Springfield" (quite possibly my favourite Simpsons episode) is not a standard Simpsons writer episode. (Some of the old ats responses are pretty critical, though).
Nurdbot

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« Reply #322 on: 02-28-2004 15:32 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
 Here you go.

It's hot!!!111

Gorky

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« Reply #323 on: 02-28-2004 15:43 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
 I'm not really sure about that.

He's dumber, yes.  I'll give you that.  But as User Name said even 1991 Homer is a little dumber then '89 Homer.  And of course his voice of the very first few episodes (and of course all the shorts) is different as well.

But has his basic character changed?  It certainly did during the Scully era, but I think that, if anything, the current Homer is a far cry from those days and harkens back more to the days of, say, seasons 3 and 4 Homer (how fitting given Al Jean's showrunning status).  He's dumb, often selfish, and doesn't think things through.  But he still loves his family and is genuinely upset when he realizes he's wronged them.  Just like in the old days (aside from maybe season five  big grin).

To go back to 'Tis the Fifteenth Season, I think it was classic Homer behavior.  We see that he's genuinely apprehensive about buying the toy, but is unable to resist in typical Homer fashion.  And as I said he's genuinely upset when he realizes what he's done.

In the Scully days he would've bought it without considering them (or perhaps to smite them?).  When Marge found out he might say "outta my way jerkass!", then maybe choke Bart or something, and then drive away to Moe's where he'd dump gasoline on someone to set them on fire(and unfortunately would set himself on fire and run around screaming "my groin! my groin!" ).  And then that week's retarded Homer adventure would begin!

I'm actually a little amazed that people still complain so much about Jean Homer quite frankly.  It seems in the current era they've struggled far more with other characters then with him.  Season 15 is generally good characterization wise but season 14 saw some very strange moments with Lisa and Marge in particular, while Homer actually seemed fine in most episodes.

I'm not sure how clear I made myself, so I guess I'll clarify.
I was trying to say that the Homer that we were introduced from in the first Ullman short was basically the stereotypical father. He tried to help his children, sometimes using lines as hilariously corny as "What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind!"
Dissolve to: 2004. Homer Simpson is at it again. He's screaming at Bart, and he's back at his latest scheme.
You see the difference?
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, Homer started out as a 2-dimensional character and has evolved into an American icon. All I'm trying to say is that the character's basic qualities have changed, sometimes for better and sometimes for worse.

alexvilagosh

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« Reply #324 on: 02-28-2004 17:01 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
I'm feeling really horny. Do anyone have pic of Lisa Simpson, please?
Fixed. You know we were all thinking it. I wouldn't want somebody who wasn't to miss it.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #325 on: 02-28-2004 17:18 »

Alex, You. Are. L33t.
Gorky

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« Reply #326 on: 02-28-2004 18:55 »

Okayyy...
Anyway, back on track, no episode tomorrow night. Next Sunday it's a rerun which I really don't recommend watching ("Marge Vs. Singles, Seniors, Childless-Couples, Teens and Gays" ). For those of you who haven't seen it yet:

alexvilagosh

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« Reply #327 on: 02-28-2004 19:36 »

 
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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
Alex, You. Are. L33t.
I know your insulting/mocking me, but thank-you.
newhook_1

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« Reply #328 on: 02-29-2004 12:58 »
« Last Edit on: 02-29-2004 12:58 »

 
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Originally posted by Gorky:
 I'm not sure how clear I made myself, so I guess I'll clarify.
I was trying to say that the Homer that we were introduced from in the first Ullman short was basically the stereotypical father. He tried to help his children, sometimes using lines as hilariously corny as "What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind!"
Dissolve to: 2004. Homer Simpson is at it again. He's screaming at Bart, and he's back at his latest scheme.
You see the difference?
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, Homer started out as a 2-dimensional character and has evolved into an American icon. All I'm trying to say is that the character's basic qualities have changed, sometimes for better and sometimes for worse.



Half the Ulman shorts ending with him strangleing the bejeezsus out of Bart. He's way closer to the the way he was in season 1/ Ulman shorts than he was from seasons 9-12.
Gorky

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« Reply #329 on: 02-29-2004 13:11 »

I'm not talking about the strangling specifically. That was established as a character trait early on. Part of the reason it may have been toned down in seasons 9-12 is due to the fact that some people probably thought of it as child abuse, which it really isn't.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #330 on: 02-29-2004 15:08 »

Actually the strangling wasn't really that toned down in seasons 9-12.  Its just always been a somewhat inconsistantly used joke.  Though yes, that inconsistancy partially has to do with it seeming so horrible, as they said on the commentaries.

But there were plenty of stranglings in Scully's seasons.  I can think of a bunch offhand.
Gorky

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« Reply #331 on: 02-29-2004 15:19 »

I guess you could call it that, an inconsistantly used joke. I'm personally indifferent to it, as long as, like Matt Groening has said, it is done out of impulse and Bart sometimes gets Homer back.
Rocketboy

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« Reply #332 on: 02-29-2004 17:49 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
Why are people still watching The Simpsons?

Not because of Lisa that's for sure.

Gorky

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« Reply #333 on: 02-29-2004 21:20 »
« Last Edit on: 02-29-2004 21:20 »

If someone would please give me a straight-forward answer on this, I'd be grateful. What is wrong with Lisa Simpson? I've said it before and I'll say it again; Lisa is the moral center of the Simpson family and she grounds the show. I know that some people think that she's an annoying character, and sometimes she is. But, look at an episode like "Lisa's Substitute", a great show, and tell me what was wrong with it. And, if you think that in later years she has become a cliche of her former self, look at an episode like "I'm Spelling as Fast as I Can", a fairly good season 14 episode, and tell me what was off. Plot-wise, it's alot like "Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington". Lisa gains a chance to shine, but something happens and she comes in second. I know I sound obsessed, but I would honestly like to hear what you think about this.
Whew, that was way too much logical thinking for me. What else can we talk about? Ummm,...[Bender]So, hows about them Knicks?[/Bender]
DotheBartman

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« Reply #334 on: 03-01-2004 00:12 »

(Third attempt)

Goddamnit.  I hate Aol.  I typed a big respone this that, but it quit on me right when I tried to post it (it frequently does that with long message board posts, as if it can't "handle" it).  But I'll type it again because I'm so nice.  I'm saving the text this time though.

Now, first off, I'm basically playing devil's advocate here.  I don't neccasarily agree with these arguments (although I do with some of the Scully stuff), and Lisa is in fact my favorite character. 

Now, first off, there's just a certain faction of the audience that doesn't watch for the reasons we might.  We talk about things like characterization, plotting, satire, etc, but some fans don't care a lick about any of that.  They just watch to see that crazy Homer Simpson show featuring that cartoon clown who's really stupid and gets hurt a lot.  This group of the audience (which, I would observe, tends to be made up largely of children and pre-teens) is the only explanation as to how I could've heard some of my peers quoting "Simpsons Safari" and laughing (even Mike Reiss vocally hated that episode).  Lisa, on the other hand, is a more relatively "serious" character.  Most of her humor theoretically comes from the situations she's in and her interactions with other characters, as opposed to one liners.  And that faction of the audience that watches for crazy cartoon fun finds her to be "boring".

And of course there's the Scully era (this is where I start speaking more for myself a little, for the most part).  Although Homer probably featured the most character degredation during the Scully era I would say Lisa is second only to him.  Bart may have become a bland straigtman, and Marge a psychotic cleaning freak (as opposed to a reasonable human being), but the moment the "angel" skeleton was discovered in season nine Lisa went absolutely haywire.  Take "Lisa the Iconlast" in season seven.  In that one she discovers some pretty nasty secrets about Jebediah Springfield and tried to get them out.  But at the end, she realizes that perhaps they were better kept as secrets and does what she thinks was really best for the town.  But if that aired during the Scully era, she would have gone ahead with it, telling all the secrets and then making some "I'm a genius and you're all idiots" speech (which then would follow with a town riot and Homer pushing someone off a cliff).  Basically she became what she was so upset about being called in Lisa the Iconlast: an annoying PC-Thug.  The generally caring character of the classic seasons was washed away and now here was a character that only cared about crusading for the sake of crusading and inflating her "I'm a genius" ego.  She was even used to "explain" jokes that didn't need explaining; for instance, "there's no cane in Citizen Kane!" and her reactions to the crazy animals in Simpsons Safari".  The writers even seemingly "fought back" at her to appease the twelve year olds who hated her, such as having her pummeled in "Bye Bye, Nerdie" or with some of Homer's comments to her.

Again, aside from a lot of my comments about the Scully era that's largely devil's advocate stuff.  I would also add that I think she's been, for the most part, completely fixed in the Jean era and that those Scully problems really aren't problems anymore (and those that still complain about those issues are using mostly outdated arguments).
Teesside Inc

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« Reply #335 on: 03-01-2004 13:42 »
« Last Edit on: 03-01-2004 13:42 »

The Simpsons - Marge Vs. Singles, Seniors, Childless-Couples, Teens and Gays" sky one Sunday 14th March at the usual time of 6:30pm.
 http://www.snpp.com/upcoming/uk.html

P.S   Do anyone have pic of Lisa Simpson, please?
Shadowstar

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« Reply #336 on: 03-01-2004 15:23 »
« Last Edit on: 03-01-2004 15:23 »

Alright, here's your freakin' picture!

Now, don't ask for any more pics of the characters. Just search ANY search engine. ANY OF THEM.
Also, "Marge vs. etc" sucks. Don't watch it.
Teral

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« Reply #337 on: 03-01-2004 16:31 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:

P.S   Do anyone have pic of Lisa Simpson, please?

Google is your friend
Nurdbot

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« Reply #338 on: 03-01-2004 16:43 »

Communism has brought you more pain, misery and laughter towards Teesside!

Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #339 on: 03-01-2004 16:44 »

That's the best one yet!  laff
Nurdbot

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« Reply #340 on: 03-01-2004 16:48 »

The moustache was originally a hair lip.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #341 on: 03-01-2004 16:52 »

You sure she hasn't been snorting coal?
Nurdbot

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« Reply #342 on: 03-01-2004 16:57 »

I considered concain...by that, I meant I forgot.
Shadowstar

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« Reply #343 on: 03-01-2004 17:41 »

Ahahahahahahahaha! It's so cruel, and so funny!
leelaholic

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« Reply #344 on: 03-01-2004 18:11 »

Nurdbot, you're sick! See a doctor so you will not be sick! Comic book guy should die not Lisa and catchphrase is worst episode ever!

 mad

P.S. Homer Simpson is still a fat slob!!  up yours
PCC Fred

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« Reply #345 on: 03-01-2004 18:24 »

OH God, Teeside and Leelaholic have merged.
Shadowstar

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« Reply #346 on: 03-01-2004 18:29 »

I think I'm going to post another picture of Lisa just to see how Nurdbot will warp it.
[searches]
Hmmm...
[continues searching]
Oh, this one should be fun.
leelaholic

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« Reply #347 on: 03-01-2004 18:30 »
« Last Edit on: 03-01-2004 18:30 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
OH God, Teeside and Leelaholic have merged.
Who is Leelaholic?    confused

P.S. Lisa Simpson is not a whiney PC thug!    mad

P.S.S. Homer Simpson is still a fat slob!  up yours
Shadowstar

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« Reply #348 on: 03-01-2004 18:32 »

Didn't you already say that?
Leelaholic is a fellow Simpsons fan, who keeps fighting for more episodes and loves all the new ones and thinks they're better than Futurama.
What a dilusional child.
leelaholic

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« Reply #349 on: 03-01-2004 18:36 »

Lisa Simpson and Leelaholic are not whiney PC thugs!  up yours
Shadowstar

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« Reply #350 on: 03-01-2004 18:40 »

Wait a minute, what the hell is going on? Leelaholic and Teeside have joined forces!
leelaholic

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« Reply #351 on: 03-01-2004 18:47 »

I 8 Leelaholic!!  evil laugh
Shadowstar

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« Reply #352 on: 03-01-2004 18:51 »

But... it's... [head explodes]
PCC Fred

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« Reply #353 on: 03-01-2004 18:54 »

Okay guys, you might want to get back on topic now.  Unless you don't.  To be honest, I don't really care.
newhook_1

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« Reply #354 on: 03-01-2004 18:55 »
« Last Edit on: 03-01-2004 18:55 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
I 8 Leelaholic!!    evil laugh

You've eaten young Matthew? I say, good show!
*Holds up Zleepy Head*
Now eat this chap.
bender+fry

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« Reply #355 on: 03-01-2004 19:32 »

going back to the topic, i actually enjoyed another simpson clip show. i loved the prank calls rolling, and it made me laugh several times.
Woodbot 2.0

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« Reply #356 on: 03-01-2004 19:37 »

As a life long Simpsons fan,I still support the show,but MIKE SCULLY GAVE IT A VIRUS THAT IT CAN NEVER HEAL FROM!!!!!!!!  mad   mad   mad   mad   mad   mad   mad
Rocketboy

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« Reply #357 on: 03-01-2004 20:54 »

Yes, I agree, so me and my father made our own "Simpsons Classics" which we tape episodes that barely air on tape. We're on our 7th
DotheBartman

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« Reply #358 on: 03-01-2004 21:55 »

That's what I eventually resorted to taping all of seasons 2-8 (already had season one on dvd when I started really doing that).  I couldn't stand not being able to see them and having to see seaons 10-12 constantly.  I just don't even watch The Simpsons on tv anymore(sans new episodes); I just pop in a tape/dvd when I happen to feel like it.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #359 on: 03-02-2004 02:36 »

I could never resist a challenge.

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