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ghoulishmoose

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« Reply #280 on: 02-25-2004 13:39 »
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
FOOL! Opinion has TWO N's!

I'm aware of how to spell it. Sometimes I just make typos thats all. It happens to all of us. Like you're so perfect...

   
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
..believeable..

Oh wait, look what I found. I guess you're not. Thats unbelievable that you spelled that wrong    tongue

Edit: Ooo, a TOTPD for me
Teesside Inc

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« Reply #281 on: 02-25-2004 16:37 »

How do The simpsons writers get ther ideas from?
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #282 on: 02-25-2004 16:41 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
How do The simpsons writers get ther ideas from?

Believe it or not, mostly real life; society...
leelaholic

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« Reply #283 on: 02-25-2004 17:49 »

I wasn't talking to you, GM. I was talking to Aslate for saying "'opinion' with one n". That was crazy of him. He's crazy.  wink
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #284 on: 02-25-2004 17:54 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
How do The simpsons writers get ther ideas from?

What makes you think we know?

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
I wasn't talking to you, GM. I was talking to Aslate for saying "'opinion' with one n". That was crazy of him. He's crazy.   wink

 Right, so since you weren't talking to Ghoulish Moose, that makes her correction of your typo irrelevant, yes?  roll eyes
Gorky

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« Reply #285 on: 02-25-2004 18:13 »
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
How was Homer more jerky then usual?  Simply because he was selfish and spent money on himself?  A behavior seen in many classic episodes like "Life on the Fast Lane"? 

Someone please explain that to me, I'm lost.  I'm really curious how Homer could've been percieved as a jerkass during those scenes.

Like I said, I didn't really care for the episode, but I don't think Homer was a jerk.
Anyway, I think how you perceive Homer is based on what you expect from the show. Alot of long-time fans have really high expectations for new episodes, and therefore hope to see each characters at their best week-after-week.
On the other hand, old fans who have seen the show decline over the years can look at an episode like "The Dad Who Knew Too Little", in which Homer is trying to win Lisa over in a less-than-flattering way (hiring a detective to snoop on her), and say that, compared to some Scully shows ("Kill the Alligator and Run" ) (that's a nod to You DoTheBartman   big grin)
Homer was at his best.
No matter how you look at it though, the Homer of today is a far cry from the Homer we met all the way back in 1989 (or even sooner if you count the Ullmans). 
User_names_suck
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« Reply #286 on: 02-25-2004 19:08 »
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Gorky, DoTheBartman was talking to PCC Fred more so I think, I missed the first five or so minutes
so I cant judge it all, but definatley seems overated at the 'NHC' there was no problem with homer being a jerk but it didn't seem all that great to me, I mean people were comparing to season 8 and saying its the best episode in years,
personally I even preferred 'Grift of the Magi', that had a few memorable quotes.

However 'The President Wore Pearls' did feel almost classic era to me.

Oh yeah and the Homer of today is a far cry to the homer of 89 but so is the Homer of 91 'In blood feud','three men and a comic book' 'brother can you spare two dimes' in fact the Homer of today is may be closer to that than the Homer of 89.
In fact he's a horrible person towards Flanders in 'Dead putting society' worse than some of your average scully 'jerkass' moments.

Oh and shall we all just Ignore Teeside Inc from now on
Teesside Inc

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« Reply #287 on: 02-26-2004 08:42 »
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Why are people still watching The Simpsons?
PCC Fred

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« Reply #288 on: 02-26-2004 10:24 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
Who writes The Simpsons?

 
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How do The simpsons writers get ther ideas from?

 
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Why are people still watching The Simpsons?

Who am I?  Where am I?  What's going on?  confused
leelaholic

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« Reply #289 on: 02-26-2004 16:48 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
Why are people still watching The Simpsons?

Why not?
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #290 on: 02-26-2004 16:58 »

 
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc:
Why are people still watching The Simpsons?

Are you still here?!  roll eyes
leelaholic

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« Reply #291 on: 02-26-2004 17:17 »

For some reason, I felt like pointing out that the only Scully episodes I really liked were "Trilogy of Error", "HOMR", "Hungry, Hungry Homer" (brilliant), and "Behind the Laughter". The others are pretty fucked up, though.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #292 on: 02-26-2004 17:37 »

I dont really care for Trilogy of Error, its a pretty disgusting plot with Homers finger being cut off.

Season 9 has pretty good scully eps though. 'The cartridge family' 'Miracle on evergreen terrace'
'Girly edition' 'Natrual Born Kissers'.
and season 10 had some good episodes to 'Bart The Mother' 'Lisa Gets an A'. and for some reason I enjoy 'Mayored to the Mob'
With Season 9 I'd say the good definatley outweighs the bad.
Gorky

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« Reply #293 on: 02-26-2004 17:51 »

I loved all of the afore mentioned Scully episodes, particularly "HOMR". That may have been due to the fact that it was written by Al Jean.
As far as the Scully era, I think that season 12 contained the best episodes ("Trilogy of Error", "Hungry, Hungry Homer", "HOMR", "Bye Bye Nerdie", "Children of a Lesser Clod"...)
PCC Fred

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« Reply #294 on: 02-26-2004 18:00 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
For some reason, I felt like pointing out that the only Scully episodes I really liked were "Trilogy of Error", "HOMR", "Hungry, Hungry Homer" (brilliant), and "Behind the Laughter". The others are pretty fucked up, though.

Of those, I'd say "Trilogy of Error" was the best, simply becuase it had a level of innovation that was otherwise missing from the Scully era.

"HOMR" was a good idea that got lost in a bunch of second rate jokes, while I didn't like the other two.
Gorky

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« Reply #295 on: 02-26-2004 18:12 »

"Behind the Laughter" is one of the better season 11 episodes, in my opinion. I'm not sure if portraying the Simpson family as actors playing themselves was really a good idea, but the final product was pretty good (considering it was a Scully episode).
leelaholic

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« Reply #296 on: 02-26-2004 21:37 »
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
"HOMR" was a good idea that got lost in a bunch of second rate jokes, while I didn't like the other two.

Wow. You didn't like "Hungry, Hungry Homer"? To each their own, but I thought it was excellent, especially for a work of Scully. It seemed to be a fresh episode, with jokes that were actually funny. Having tubby Homer go on a hunger strike seemed extremely innovative to me and the pacing flowed surprisingly well. Having Homer as the little man suffer to beat Henry K. Duff as the big man seemed to be a nice inspirational plot and I loved the scene in the stadium at the end (with a great, spot-on parody of a scene from The Natural ).


A+  Feels like it should be in the Al Jean era to me.
alexvilagosh

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« Reply #297 on: 02-27-2004 03:23 »

That so called amazing episode 'Tis The 15th Season' is on this week. I'll try to remember to watch it.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #298 on: 02-27-2004 13:06 »

dont expect much its overated.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #299 on: 02-27-2004 13:57 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
I dont really care for Trilogy of Error, its a pretty disgusting plot with Homers finger being cut off.

No, it was Homer's thumb that got cut off. And anyway, that was only a third of the main plot. Personally I love 'Trilogy of Error'. It's my fave ep from the past 5 years or so...
Guy

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« Reply #300 on: 02-27-2004 14:28 »

And that Snoopy reference in "Hungry Hungry Homer"? Beautiful!
DotheBartman

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« Reply #301 on: 02-27-2004 14:30 »

 
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Originally posted by Gorky:
No matter how you look at it though, the Homer of today is a far cry from the Homer we met all the way back in 1989 (or even sooner if you count the Ullmans). 

I'm not really sure about that.

He's dumber, yes.  I'll give you that.  But as User Name said even 1991 Homer is a little dumber then '89 Homer.  And of course his voice of the very first few episodes (and of course all the shorts) is different as well.

But has his basic character changed?  It certainly did during the Scully era, but I think that, if anything, the current Homer is a far cry from those days and harkens back more to the days of, say, seasons 3 and 4 Homer (how fitting given Al Jean's showrunning status).  He's dumb, often selfish, and doesn't think things through.  But he still loves his family and is genuinely upset when he realizes he's wronged them.  Just like in the old days (aside from maybe season five big grin).

To go back to 'Tis the Fifteenth Season, I think it was classic Homer behavior.  We see that he's genuinely apprehensive about buying the toy, but is unable to resist in typical Homer fashion.  And as I said he's genuinely upset when he realizes what he's done.

In the Scully days he would've bought it without considering them (or perhaps to smite them?).  When Marge found out he might say "outta my way jerkass!", then maybe choke Bart or something, and then drive away to Moe's where he'd dump gasoline on someone to set them on fire(and unfortunately would set himself on fire and run around screaming "my groin! my groin!" ).  And then that week's retarded Homer adventure would begin!

I'm actually a little amazed that people still complain so much about Jean Homer quite frankly.  It seems in the current era they've struggled far more with other characters then with him.  Season 15 is generally good characterization wise but season 14 saw some very strange moments with Lisa and Marge in particular, while Homer actually seemed fine in most episodes.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #302 on: 02-27-2004 16:25 »

Ok your really exagerating the Scully era Homer, he would never dump gasoline on someone I really dont remember anything like that.
But yeah people seem ready to jump in and say 'Jerkass Homer' at anything, he's not supposed to be the nicest man in springfield and he never was.

Changing the subject slightly I finally saw 'Moe Baby Blues' and it was a really great episode that didn't go off on tangets for rubbish jokes, there were still a couple of things that could have been done without, Grampa's ass for one thing not even so much that but Grampa isn't completley senile that he walks in his dressing gown saying 'the sweedish are coming' they could have thought of a better excuse for Marge to be distracted, But its such a sweet touching episode it didn't ruin my enjoyment.

4.5/5
DotheBartman

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« Reply #303 on: 02-27-2004 16:44 »
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Yeah, I was exxagerating a little on Scully Homer.  The gasoline would've been a bit much (although he did intentionally hurt or attempt to hurt people in a lot of pretty disturbing ways.  Come to think of it he even poured gasoline around the tv studio in "PygMoelian", even if that's not quite the same thing).  Still, I'd say the Scully Homer was much closer to that caricuature then Jean Homer.  Far closer.

Yes, Moe Baby Blues is wonderful.  I'm not afraid to say that its top 50 episode material, though I'm not sure if its actually in there or not (anytime I try to create a top episodes list it changes anyway.  After the first few it becomes guesswork.).  But such a wonderfully done episode.  There were even a couple times where I almost cried (and long had it been since an episode came out that could do THAT to me?  Six, seven seasons?)
leelaholic

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« Reply #304 on: 02-27-2004 17:30 »

 
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But yeah people seem ready to jump in and say 'Jerkass Homer' at anything, he's not supposed to be the nicest man in springfield and he never was.
A plausable scenario...

Marge: Homer, did you remember to fill the ice cube tray?

Homer: D'oh! Sorry, Marge. I guess I forgot.

OMG! HE FORGOT!!!!!!!! Jerkass Homer!!!! Jerkass Homer!!!
 
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Originally posted by Guy:
And that Snoopy reference in "Hungry Hungry Homer"? Beautiful!
[ The next morning, Bart finds Homer sprawled on the roof of the doghouse.]

Bart:   Good grief.

As Guy said, hilarious. That episode was a shining beacon among Scully.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #305 on: 02-27-2004 17:32 »

Well evem A top 100 episode is a big complent to a simpsons episode when there has  been over 300.
The ending may have been a little contrived what with Maggies face making the mobsters Cry. But then again it was just so damn sweet (sorry shooo shweet)
regarding the PygMoelian thing to me that seems more complete moron Homer he's helping Moe out and doesn't understand that other people will suffer because of it. but yeah agreed on your post.I think the last touching episode before Scully era would be 'Secret War of Lisa Simpson' in the military school her dire situation of being bullied is very empthiable and its very touching when Bart encourages her over the rope-thorn test thing. So that was the end of season 8.
so definatley not seven seasons, although maybe it didn't work for you but whatever.
leelaholic

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« Reply #306 on: 02-27-2004 17:37 »

"Lisa's Sax" in season 9 strikes me as a very sweet episode. That and "The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson" are IMO the two best season 8 holdovers.
sheep555

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« Reply #307 on: 02-27-2004 17:47 »
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It's not the character changes that bother me that much, more the plot lines. Some plots have just been so awful I wonder why the show's still running - and it's not just the later seasons. I've already talked about The Principal and The Pauper, but others that aired comparitvely early on (compared to now), such as A Star Is Burns (which Matt Groening considers to be on of the worst episodes, or you'd assume so considering he refused to have his name in the credits)...and lets not go to Bart Gets an Elephant
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #308 on: 02-27-2004 18:02 »

 
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 ...and lets not go to Bart Gets an Elephant

But we haven't even had Bart gets a sheep yet...

FishyJoe

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« Reply #309 on: 02-27-2004 18:22 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
 Wow. You didn't like "Hungry, Hungry Homer"? To each their own, but I thought it was excellent, especially for a work of Scully. It seemed to be a fresh episode, with jokes that were actually funny. Having tubby Homer go on a hunger strike seemed extremely innovative to me and the pacing flowed surprisingly well. Having Homer as the little man suffer to beat Henry K. Duff as the big man seemed to be a nice inspirational plot and I loved the scene in the stadium at the end (with a great, spot-on parody of a scene from The Natural ).

I actually liked that episode, but geez. "Innovative"? How the hell did it innovate anything? The plot was nice and light and funny. I don't see how people would find it "inspirational".
CyberKnight

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« Reply #310 on: 02-27-2004 19:47 »

 
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Originally posted by sheep555:
(which Matt Groening considers to be on of the worst episodes, or you'd assume so considering he refused to have his name in the credits)

I always thought that he refused to have his name in the credits because it felt like a half-hour commercial for "The Critic", not necessarily because it was poorly made.

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« Reply #311 on: 02-27-2004 19:51 »

 
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Originally posted by sheep555:
It's not the character changes that bother me that much, more the plot lines. Some plots have just been so awful I wonder why the show's still running - and it's not just the later seasons. I've already talked about The Principal and The Pauper, but others that aired comparitvely early on (compared to now), such as A Star Is Burns (which Matt Groening considers to be on of the worst episodes, or you'd assume so considering he refused to have his name in the credits)...and lets not go to Bart Gets an Elephant


eh can someone else fill him ony why MG took his name off the episode I cant be botherd. its not really to do with the quality of the episode.
 Oh someone has ok.
as for Bart gets Elephant well its \ pretty wacky Sitcom premise,but still funny but your bound to struggle in each season. regardless especially when you have a newshowrunner and some new writers coming in like they did in season 5, your always going to struggle for Good Idea or having badly executed ones.
Futurama did- Thats Lobstertainment, A leela of her own,A Pharoh to remember.
and there some shoddy Ideas in Season 4 Bend Her, 'Hey what if bender had a sex change would'nt that be crazy.'

Every show will have its weaker episodes even in its first season.

 
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But we haven't even had Bart gets a sheep yet...


Hang on there currently working on 'Bart gets a Bear' and there's still 'Marge becomes a robot' and Moe gets a cellphone to come first.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #312 on: 02-27-2004 20:34 »

Yeah, Groening removed his name because he felt it was one long advertisement for The Critic and because he doesn't like crossovers (at least in terms of using them as advertisements).  And to be honest that episode at least verges on cheesy advertisement; just check out the cheesy dinner table scene where we get to witness Jay's "wacky antics".

Yeah, Groening even felt betrayed by James L. Brooks at the time (since both shows were produced by his company Gracie Films, he had the Critic staff assemble "A Star is Burns" and "'Round Springfield" under the Gracie banner).  So he pulled his name off.
leelaholic

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« Reply #313 on: 02-27-2004 20:39 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
 Hang on there currently working on 'Bart gets a Bear' and there's still 'Marge becomes a robot' and Moe gets a cellphone to come first.
And let's not forget "Who Shot Grandpa's Hat?"
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« Reply #314 on: 02-28-2004 01:01 »
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Or how bout a crazy wedding? Where something happens, do do do do do do do.
sheep555

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« Reply #315 on: 02-28-2004 04:21 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
eh can someone else fill him ony why MG took his name off the episode I cant be botherd. its not really to do with the quality of the episode.

I did know that. I probably phrased my post a bit oddly though...but I maintain it was a crap episode.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #316 on: 02-28-2004 05:34 »

Admittedly it was one of Season Six’s worst eps, but at least it still had it's moments. Like hanging from next doors gutter for bad mouthing mggiver (or however that program is spelt)
Shadowstar

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« Reply #317 on: 02-28-2004 10:12 »

I actually saw that episode before I had seen "The Critic." But still, that episode wasn't so bad. The only bad ep in Season Six was "Another Simpsons Clip Show," which was the first of a string of uninventive clip shows like "Gump Roast" and "All Singing, All Dancing." What happened to the innovative thought that went into "So It's Come to This" and "The 138th Episode Spectacular"?
Teesside Inc

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« Reply #318 on: 02-28-2004 14:52 »
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Do anyone have pic of Lisa Simpson, please?
Xmpel

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« Reply #319 on: 02-28-2004 15:20 »
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Google is your friend.

I personally like this one:
 http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bluealbino/SYP/images/lisa-jazz.gif
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