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leelaholic

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« on: 02-15-2004 16:50 »
« Last Edit on: 02-15-2004 16:50 »

And the story goes on...

Ratings so far...

-THOH XIV B-
-My Mother the Carjacker A+
-The President Wore Pearls A
-The Regina Monologues B+
-The Fat and the Furriest C
-Today, I Am a Clown B+
-'Tis the 15th Season A+
-Marge vs. Singles, Seniors, Childless couples and Teens and Gays C-
-I, D'oh-bot A+
-Diatribe of a Mad Housewife A
-Margical History Tour C-

Umm... this is a squirrel. It's all smashed cuz the crazy neighbor man ran it over. He said it was an accident, but he's still pretty crazy. I think he moved away, but he keeps leaving weird drawings and stuff like this in my room. My dad thinks I'm doing it, and starts yelling at me to get a job.

-Squee
aslate

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« Reply #1 on: 02-15-2004 17:15 »

Do we need a new Simpsons thread?
leelaholic

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« Reply #2 on: 02-15-2004 17:22 »

Yes. The first hit page 20 before the season ended.
Guy

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« Reply #3 on: 02-15-2004 17:31 »

And the Simpsons hit pretty dull level before the show was allowed to die. You can't complain about inevitable flaming. You knew what to expect when starting a new thread!
evan

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« Reply #4 on: 02-15-2004 17:39 »

leelaholic started the new Simpsons' thread?

Favre: "It looks like I just lost a ten dollar bet....TO MYSELF!"
Gorky

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« Reply #5 on: 02-15-2004 18:32 »

Well, I'm anticipating "Millhouse Doesn't Live Here [Anymore]" to be a solid episode, but I'll have to see.
newhook_1

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« Reply #6 on: 02-15-2004 19:01 »

Argh!

It was a good episode besides that though.
PCC Fred

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« Reply #7 on: 02-15-2004 19:01 »

The episode with Krusty's Bar Mitsvah is shite.  Once again the first five minutes are no more than a flimsy way to set up the rest of the episode.  Once again a guest star adds zero to the episode.  Once again the end of the episode has little in the way of either sense or laughs.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #8 on: 02-15-2004 19:11 »

It was better than most futurama episodes.

ahh got that out of my system.

look people constant flaming caused a second thread to exisist, so dont bother.
aslate

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« Reply #9 on: 02-15-2004 19:16 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
It was better than most futurama episodes.

I'm not even going to bother arguing that point...  roll eyes

Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #10 on: 02-15-2004 19:17 »
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Originally posted by aslate:
Do we need a new Simpsons thread?

     
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
Yes. The first hit page 20 before the season ended.

Wow! we've already had whole Season 15 thread, with 20 pages. That's over a whole page per episode (almost two!), because way less than 20 have aired in Season 15, so far. And yet this isn't even a Simpsons board!...

This wouldnít be such a bad thing if most the episodes were good, but with nearly every episode comes many bad reviews (not flaming, truthful opinions), so they are mostly bad, with a few exceptions (very few and far between). It seems even the best reviews are biased anyway (Think leelaholicís original review of last Sundays ep as an example) I accept thatís what he thought of it, I donít disagree that those are his opinions, itís just such a pity the same canít be said for him on everyone elseís opinions...

Take PCC Fred's review in this thread, we've all seen it time and time before, and he's right, and so is aslate...

evan

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« Reply #11 on: 02-15-2004 19:17 »

 
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Originally posted by newhook_1:
Argh!

It was a good episode besides that though.

User_names_suck
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« Reply #12 on: 02-15-2004 19:35 »

 
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Originally posted by aslate:
 I'm not even going to bother arguing that point...   roll eyes


Dont worry I was just trying to piss people off
PCC Fred

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« Reply #13 on: 02-15-2004 20:05 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
 Dont worry I was just trying to piss people off

And you're doing a splendid job!  Keep it up, good sir!

newhook_1

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« Reply #14 on: 02-15-2004 20:14 »
« Last Edit on: 02-15-2004 20:14 »

 
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DotheBartman

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« Reply #15 on: 02-15-2004 20:35 »

Does that even really count as a "job" though, per se?  I haven't seen the episode yet, for the record...

Otis, at least watch new episodes before you make statements like that.  You admit you haven't seen even one this season, I believe.  And since when do any episodes not recieve "many bad reviews"?  Its been happening since season four or so.

Besides, there's plenty of good reviews out there for many episodes, and many of them are not "biased" as you claim them to be.  Alt.Tv.Simpsons may be dead now, but check out current reviews of the NHC and you can see many well thought out, detailed reviews for modern episodes that often are in fact quite positive (that doesn't mean there aren't negative ones as well of course). 
PCC Fred

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« Reply #16 on: 02-15-2004 20:40 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
Otis, at least watch new episodes before you make statements like that.

Otis was backing up MY statement, and I HAVE seen the episodes!

I've seen three Season 15 episodes to date, and only Treehouse of Horror XIV could be called a really good episode.

The Regina Monologues was a typical Simpsons visit to another country (how much lame humour can we squeeze out of cliches and stereotypes?), and as for the Krusty episodes, it speaks volumes that the opening scenes with the puppies and Maggie stuck in the bathroom were far funnier than the main body of the episode.
Shadowstar

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« Reply #17 on: 02-15-2004 20:50 »
« Last Edit on: 02-15-2004 20:50 »

I was at a party tonight. It ended at 8. I had to leave at 7:30, since I needed to see the new episode. It was only until I got home that I realized, that I really didn't care. I just had to see the new episode since I'm a fanatic. I see every episode, be it bad or good. But seeing as how I don't care, that means I don't really care for the show anymore. I don't. I'm sick and tired of these new episodes trying my patience. Sure there are a couple of good ones, but they're stuck in a river of awful/average ones. So therefore, if there is any justice in the world, the show will stop after the most recent contract. If there is any justice, there will be no Season 17.

That being said, the newest episode, Milhouse Doesn't Live Here Anymore, wasn't as bad as last week, but not a very good episode either. Let's run through it...
Laughing at Nelson being poor. That's not funny, I feel bad for him. And also, continuity error, in "Bart Star," it was found that Nelson's mom works at Hooters. Yet here, Nelson says his mom couldn't get a job there. Milhouse being assertive made no sense. The Itchy and Scratchy wasn't even funny! Yeah! Drunk Homer dancing! That's funny! That's REALLY funny! [sarcasm detector explodes] By God, what have I done! OK, we're into act 2 now. Why does Bart need to take a plane to Capital City, when they drove there in "Dancin' Homer"? And what was with that plane with the twist engine? And Ralph isn't funny anymore, that's a disapointment. Etc., etc., etc...
And finally, Milhouse returns by the end of the episode. If they're going to have Milhouse leave, then they should just follow through. But no. We have to keep everything the way it was. Just like with Snowball II, although the Tamzarian line saved it... kinda. And only a few good lines saved this episode. And also, even though it was for the wrong reasons, it was nice to see Homer get gifts for Marge. It made me remember when Homer used to be sweet.
Grade: 2/5 I've sugarcoated the rating all I could.

Previous Grades:
THOH XIV: 2/5
My Mother the Carjacker: 4/5
The President Wore Pearls: 3/5
The Regina Monologues: 2.5/5
The Fat and the Furriest: 1.5/5
Today I Am a Clown: 3/5
'Tis the Fifteenth Season: 3/5
Marge vs. Singles, Seniors, Childless Couples, Teens and Gays: 1/5
I, D'oh!bot: 4/5
Diatribe of a Mad Housewife: 3.5/5
Margical History Tour: 1/5
Milhouse Doesn't Live Here Anymore: 2/5

This new one ranks... ahead of THOH XIV. Margical History Tour docked down to 1/5, but ahead of Marge vs. etc...

And leelaholic, you beat me to making this thread! You bastard!
newhook_1

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« Reply #18 on: 02-15-2004 21:00 »

I give it 4/5 but I'm sort of grading on a curve. 2.5/5 when compared to the Simpsons as a whole, 4/5 when compared to the rest of the Jean era.
Shadowstar

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« Reply #19 on: 02-15-2004 21:07 »

Well I have no curve. No curve have I. ...what?
Gorky

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« Reply #20 on: 02-15-2004 21:14 »

Okay, here's my review for "Milhouse Doesn't Live Here Anymore":

The first act was rather lacking. I really didn't care for it that much. During the scene at the TV museum, I was half expecting a Futurama reference. Aside from that part of act one, the Homer subplot wasn't that great. There were some moments, but it wasn't Homer at his best. Some other things: I agree that the kids laughing at Nelson wasn't that funny. Also, Milhouse calling Mrs. Krabappel Mrs. Crabapple wasn't funny either.
Act two was alot better. I really enjoyed what should probably be considered the "A" story, Bart and Lisa becoming friends. Homer's "B" plot was okay, but the only remotely funny thing about his story in this act was his "Will work for $ or even for cents" or something like that. Milhouse trying to fit in in Capitol City wasn't all that funny either.
Act three was okay, but again, Lisa and Bart were the two characters that kind of redeemed what was otherwise a pretty bad episode. I just have one complaint. I thought that the ending was great without the "The Jeffersons" ending.
If the episode had ended with Lisa saying, "I think I'll use this one now.", Bart hugging Lisa, and the chance card reading, "Good for one hug" dropping to the ground, I would've been satisfied. This was one of those episodes that should've went out on the moment. If the crew had cut out the Mrs. Jefferson ending, this would've been a much better episode. The ending just ruined it for me.
All in all, this was an okay episode, I give it a B.
Kryten

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« Reply #21 on: 02-15-2004 23:49 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
 Dont worry I was just trying to piss people off

So you're admittedly trolling?

*hand wavers over the Banstick*
DotheBartman

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« Reply #22 on: 02-15-2004 23:52 »

My review from NHC

Overall very good. Here's my review (which I had to mostly retype actually, blated AOL):

This is another episode this season where everything worked together to form an overall fine episode. The story, humor, characterization, and everything else were all good. In fact I have very few real complaints with it.

First off, the story. It was very well done, getting the ball rolling early (hinting that something is wrong with Milhouse) and generally going along with good pacing, which is something that has gotten a lot better lately. The Bart and Lisa as best friends idea was particularly well done, never getting too syruppy but overall being very sweet and funny. The Homer subplot was basically just a distraction (as most subplots are really), but it was suprisingly entertaining nonetheless, even if hardly especcially captivating.

Humor was quite good as well. Nearly everything worked, from the beginning with Nelson, to the crazy plane, to Itchy and Scratchy, to the hotwheels flashback (that seriously had me laughing out loud)...almost everything worked well. The subplot wasn't really as funny as the main story, but even that again mostly worked well. The only thing that springs to mind as not being so funny was the "George Jefferson" thing, although I'll get to that.

This is another one where I'll have to specifically compliment the direction as well. In particular, just look at that swoop shot from Lisa to Bart, Bart to Marge, and Marge to Homer through the house...outstanding effect.

Now, on to the ending...since I've often been known to complain about "apologizing" for emotion in some modern episodes I just wanted to set the record straight here. In this case it didn't really bother me. It felt it was "detached" enough from the main story, with that story having a satisfactory conclusion. It was like the "Gordie Howie" or "Homie Sez" vocubalary endings, for instance. The only problem I had with it was just that it wasn't entirely funny. Some of it was (especcially that "vietkong" bit...was that supposed to be "Beverly Hillbillies"? I'm not sure), but the "George Jefferson"/dancing wasn't so much. But, that's a minor complaint.

Overall: Very good, if not neccasarily absolutely amazing, showing. Most everything worked well to some degree to create the best show out of the last few.
Grade:

B+/A-
DotheBartman

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« Reply #23 on: 02-16-2004 00:02 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
 Otis was backing up MY statement, and I HAVE seen the episodes!


Not attacking your opinion here, but it just seems pretty useless to be backing up the opinions of someone else on Simpsons episodes he hasn't even seen.  I can't "back someone up" on their opinion of a movie I haven't seen, for instance.

Anyways, I'm actually a little suprised on your opinions of episodes so far.  Regina Monologues probably was bad (again, I haven't seen it and never will due to be my hatred of Tony Blair).  However, THOH was actually pretty mediocre IMO (one of the only episodes this season I haven't liked much) so I'm suprised you consider it the only decent one.  Even more so, I thought "Today, I am a Clown" was good.  Not excellent (I gave it a "B" ) but pretty good.

I'd specifically seek out "My Mother the Carjacker", "The President Wore Pearls", and "Tis the Fifteenth season" to help you decide if you want to keep watching the show or not.

FishyJoe

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« Reply #24 on: 02-16-2004 01:04 »

Wow. I don't know what to say. That episode was terrible. And I feel bad saying that, because it seemed to have some good elements. I liked the story. They didn't fuck with the characters. There weren't a million crappy guest stars.

And yet...nothing, and I mean nothing worked! I watched it with some friends(who still think the show is good), and we just sat there in stunned silence over how bad some of the jokes were.

And the jokes would have such build-up, too. All that build-up, cutting to each family member in the house, only to end with Homer saying "mirror mirror on the wall, who is the baldest of them all"? Who would laugh at that?  Who? Damn it, who? Someone must have pitched that to a room full of writers. There must have been 20 or so people laughing at that. Holy crap, why?

And the emotion. I have so longed for an emotional episode. But it just didn't work. I feel like it should have worked, but it didn't. Maybe it's because the dramatic nature of the plot seems more superficial when I'm not distracted by funny jokes. Or maybe it's because the past few years of crap have left me unable to care about the characters. But all the Bart/Lisa bonding moments seemed awfully bad, to me.

Although, as bad as the emotion came off, it's even more of a slap to the face when the writers pull out the wacky self-referencing ending. "It's ok if it's stupid and overly sappy, because we'll have some ancient TV relic point it out to the audience! And our fans will love it or they will rot in hell! Bwahahaha!"

Yeah, it was "detached" from the main story--but the fact is, they've done this thing a hundred million times! That's like saying "Yeah, I know they say 'Kiss My Grits' in every episode of Alice, but this time was ok, because it was slightly different! This time it was used for romantic effect rather than sarcastic effect!"

Whether the emotion is good or bad--when the writers show that they can't commit to it, and that they have no confidence in anything they do, I can't say that Al Jean has shown any significant improvement over Scully.
David A

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« Reply #25 on: 02-16-2004 02:21 »

 
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Originally posted by Shadowstar:
And also, continuity error, in "Bart Star," it was found that Nelson's mom works at Hooters. Yet here, Nelson says his mom couldn't get a job there.

No, Nelson said that his mom had gotten too fat to work there anymore.  In other words, she was working at Hooters, but she lost her job because she got fat.

I was going to comment on the episode, but after reading everyone else's reviews, I don't know what else there is to say.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #26 on: 02-16-2004 13:17 »
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
 Otis was backing up MY statement, and I HAVE seen the episodes!

Exactly.

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
 Not attacking your opinion here, but it just seems pretty useless to be backing up the opinions of someone else on Simpsons episodes he hasn't even seen.  I can't "back someone up" on their opinion of a movie I haven't seen, for instance.

Itís my opinion of his opinion, based on my knowledge of many previous, recent Simpsons episodes. Those previous episodes being my reason for not watching now, and forming my foundation and knowledge of recent eps in general. Interpretating and evaluating these opinions with my spin.

On the bad reviews note, of course even the best Simpsons eps are gonna get bad reviews, because there's no Simpsons ep that's liked by everyone in the world. My point was aimed at the amount of bad reviews for modern eps, going up a lot, and to their negative degree against, which has also gone up quite considerably... 
User_names_suck
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« Reply #27 on: 02-16-2004 15:15 »
« Last Edit on: 02-16-2004 15:15 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:

I'd specifically seek out "My Mother the Carjacker", "The President Wore Pearls", and "Tis the Fifteenth season" to help you decide if you want to keep watching the show or not.


Agreed I haven't seen 'Tis fifteenth season' since it hasn't aired in the U.K yet (but does on the 22nd) But if they dont convince people here that the show has improved quite a bit since the Scully era, then I guess its going to take something huge.

 
But dont forget 'Moe gets a cellphone' and 'Marge becomes a robot' those were fantastic.   wink
Guy

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« Reply #28 on: 02-16-2004 15:53 »
« Last Edit on: 02-16-2004 15:53 »

You know what I hate? I hate it when people open a review thread and then complain about every single bad comment.

Visitor: I notice there's a lot of flaming here.
"heelalolic": Oh yeah but we do get reviews here too.
Visitor: Which ones are they?
"heelalolic": The ones that say good things.
Visitor: Isn't it possible that someone could say an episode was bad without flaming? Couldn't there just be a bad review?
"heelalolic": La la la, I am not listening, la la la la la la la!

Seriously, if you hate criticism about the Simpsons, simply open the "Extremely positive comments on tonights episode. If your didn't like it, keep your opinions to yourself!" thread.
OC_James

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« Reply #29 on: 02-16-2004 16:11 »

I have to agree with everything FJ said. I normally don't watch the Simpsons anymore, but when I heard Milhouse was moving away, I figured being the ex-Simpson buff I am it'd probably be important to watch it. After reading the episode description (digital cable owner) I figured there was NO way Milhouse could come back and I wanted it to stay like that.
Don't get me wrong, I love Milhouse and everything but making Lisa and Bart best friends could've taken the shown in a different direction. And right now, any direction besides the one it's currently going seems like a good direction.
Plot: 4

The jokes weren't funny. The closest I came to laughing was when Milhouse's dad had his pants taken away and some of the comments made by the bums. That's it. The "What Are They Thinking" joke had a big build-up. I figured the last comment would be something totally off-the-wall and hilarious. It was a tad off-the-wall, but no hilarity. I'd have had more fun just watching the Hitlertime.gif.
Humor: 1

The pitiful attempts at making this an "emotional" episode were tiring. The episode tried to make Milhouse's departure sad. Then it tried to end on a sweet note, something done a hundred times before. This note wasn't sweet, it was stupid and cliche. Congratulations, Simpson writers, you've managed to recycle old Simpson episodes into one worthless 22-minute presentation.
Now, I just want this series to end. I don't give a fuck about the army of fans, who try to isolate themselves from the fact that the new episodes of the show are horrible compared to anything from before Season 7, I don't give a damn about the ratings it pulls in for FOX, and I don't care how many people believe this show will redeem itself before the end. I just want it to end.

Overall Grade: F
This show made me a sad panda.
canned eggs

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« Reply #30 on: 02-16-2004 16:41 »

I sorta dug Milhouse Doesn't Live Here Anymore, and there was one line in particular that was funny enough to knock me down:


canned eggs: all rights reserved, all wrongs reversed.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #31 on: 02-16-2004 16:50 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
This is another episode this season where everything worked together to form an overall fine episode.

 
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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
 And yet...nothing, and I mean nothing worked!

Sorry, I just can't help it...  laff
leelaholic

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« Reply #32 on: 02-16-2004 16:51 »

God. You people will flame anything.

Personally, I found this to be a great episode. The characters were believeable, the jokes were funny, and there were some convincingly sweet scenes between Bart and Lisa. The Monopoly ending was a nice touch and everyone was in character. I thought that Milhouse acted very much the way he did in "A Milhouse Divided" for this one. Everything during Homer's panhandling was good (The Yes Guy saying "Nooo"  laff ) and Milhouse's new look was funny. One of my favorites this season, just above "I, D'oh-bot".

@Otis: You just love playing Captain Logic, don't you?  roll eyes
aslate

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« Reply #33 on: 02-16-2004 16:56 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
God. You people will flame anything.

And you will defend anything. I haven't seen this episode, but summing up the comments here the majority of people found this episode to be bad, and in some cases appaling. So far i've downloaded 2 Season 15 episodes and have been thoroughly dissappointed. I may download this one to see if it's as truly great as you say it is.

Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #34 on: 02-16-2004 17:05 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
 @Otis: You just love playing Captain Logic, don't you?   roll eyes

That's "Don't you Sir" for you...

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« Reply #35 on: 02-16-2004 17:07 »
« Last Edit on: 02-16-2004 17:07 »

How is critically reviewing an episode flaming?
I haven't seen any of the episodes  and haven't read any of the previous thread.  Please explain how it is flaming though.  It is just critical reviews.

Edit - By the way, that's a sucky thread title.  Now that's flaming. (Kinda).
Xmpel

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« Reply #36 on: 02-16-2004 17:13 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
God. You people will flame anything.

 
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Originally posted by Guy:
You know what I hate? I hate it when people open a review thread and then complain about every single bad comment.

Visitor: I notice there's a lot of flaming here.
"heelalolic": Oh yeah but we do get reviews here too.
Visitor: Which ones are they?
"heelalolic": The ones that say good things.
Visitor: Isn't it possible that someone could say an episode was bad without flaming? Couldn't there just be a bad review?
"heelalolic": La la la, I am not listening, la la la la la la la!

Seriously, if you hate criticism about the Simpsons, simply open the "Extremely positive comments on tonights episode. If your didn't like it, keep your opinions to yourself!" thread.

This season of the Simpsons I've seen "The Regina Monolouges" and "Fat and the furriest".

The Regina Monolouges: Built on sterotypes of Brits and jam packed with characters that served nothing to the plot: for example Tony Blair who apparently didn't have anything better to do than greeting people at an air port using his rocket pack.

I don't even think I watche dit thru. I just thought it was boring since they didn't do anything else than walking around insulting stereotypes and celebrities.

I'll review "The fat and the furriest" when I'll take the time to watch the whole episode without turning it off.

Bong - The only thing wasted is you.
Shadowstar

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« Reply #37 on: 02-16-2004 17:14 »

Leelaholic, don't use that tone with us.
And I'm getting tired of these new episodes. There's just nothing new or worth watching much on the show. But the show as a whole is still great and I will always like it, seeing as how I just got my new wave of figures in the mail. Totally awesome.
leelaholic

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« Reply #38 on: 02-16-2004 17:20 »

 
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Originally posted by davierocks:
Edit - By the way, that's a sucky thread title.  Now that's flaming. (Kinda).
It's from "Bart Sells His Soul" (one of my favorites)

Bart: Milhouse! Please, I need my soul back!

Milhouse: Sorry, Bart. I sold it for some Alf "Pogs".

Bart: What??

Milhouse: Remember Alf, Bart? He's back... in "Pog" form.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #39 on: 02-16-2004 18:05 »

 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
 
On the bad reviews note, of course even the best Simpsons eps are gonna get bad reviews, because there's no Simpsons ep that's liked by everyone in the world. My point was aimed at the amount of bad reviews for modern eps, going up a lot, and to their negative degree against, which has also gone up quite considerably... 

Maybe.  But you might want to talk to someone who has been with the internet community since the early days (for the record I"m not one of those people myself).  People HATED, HATED, HATED seasons 5-7.  I'm talking anything as negative as what's been said in here, maybe moreso.  Season 8 was a period where a lot of people finally gave up on the show.  There's even old alt.tv.simpsons conversations dating archived from around season four where people were saying it was going downhill.

And anyways, from what I've seen (outside of this board anyways) internet reaction to the Jean era has been far better then the Scully era.  That doesn't mean people "blind" themselves or whatever (a bad episode will still get bad reviews, like "Fat and the Furriest" or "Margical History Tour" ), but rather that they happen to be enjoying the show a lot more now.

XMPEL: Maybe you won't believe me but you happened to catch two of the least regarded episodes of the season (only "Margical History Tour" maybe got worse reviews from what I've seen).  Personally I too found "Fat the Furriest" to be pretty awful as well, though again I haven't seen "Regina Monologues" personally.

Again, I would say to download "Tis the Fifteenth Season", "My Mother the Carjacker", and "The President Wore Pearls".  If you don't like those, I am completely serious when I say to just give up on the show for good.  Obviously there's no point to you watching it anymore.

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