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SlaytanicMaggot
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« Reply #2 on: 02-06-2004 14:52 »
« Last Edit on: 02-06-2004 14:52 by Tweek »
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It was really good when it started, but I don't think UPN promoted it enough. They're probably keeping it on the air because of this: Click the link
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Teral
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Originally posted by PCC Fred: I don't think Enterprise is that bad, but it seems mundane compared to the glory days of the early 90s. Since DS9 aired between '92 and '99 I do believe you mean "the glory days of the 90s", right? Seven was good, but she was no Dax. Anyway, I haven't seen "Enterprise" yet, but I've not heard good things about it. I'm sure it have some great episodes (even V'Ger managed to churn out a "Year Of Hell" and a "Living Witness" once in a while), but overall I'm not rushing to 'acquire' some episodes. Originally posted by can't read: but why is this show even on the air? Who does it appeal to because I frankly don't understand. A main reason is the quite large fan following the Star Trek franchise have. A show with a large, loyal and allready established fanbase is a dream come true for TV execs. They thought they could profit from it, but forgot to take quality into account. The adding of "Star Trek" in front of the "Enterprise" is another attempt to cater to said fanbase.
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Nixorbo
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I'll take Major Kira for 600, Alex.
Although Dr. Crusher gets points for being a redhead. She loses 99% of those points for the fruit of her loins being Wesley Crusher.
I lost interest in Enterprise early into season 2. Haven't watched it since.
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CyberKnight
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Originally posted by Ranadok: I've read somewhere (I read a lot of things somewhere...) that the producers have stated that the timeline was changed in First Contact (the movie), so Enterprise isn't even in the same timeline as most of the other shows. I don't know if I believe it or not. That's the theory. It's used to explain "Regeneration", where the Borg Cube which exploded in First Contact crashed into the Arctic. The problem I have with Enterprise is that while they're perfectly capable of producing solid episodes like "Twilight" or "Dear Doctor", they dilute the season with a dozen other episodes that seem purely devoted to saying "Look! We've got sex appeal! Really! LOOOOK!!!!". It's like Seven of Nine; it's such a blatant attempt to boost ratings it becomes uncomfortable and damages the show (by the way, Fred, I have to kill you for admiring Seven of Nine - the death of Voyager. ). In a way, I'm kind of glad the show's struggling. Not because I hate the producers or the actors or the premise itself, but because the show needs a hard slap in the face to show that you can't just make a mostly sub-par sci-fi show, stick "Star Trek" on the top of it and expect millions upon millions of fans to tune in.
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Gocad
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Good question. The last good ST show was undoubtely DS9! After that everything went down. Voyager had no new good ideas... Oh, look we have a woman in the captain's chair now!!! Aren't we creative? The Kazon were some redesigned and dumber Klingons, which is why they disappeared after two seasons.. And then they brought the Borg back... Also Voyager didn't have this guy (okay, once) But Enterprise seems to have the same problem For some reason UPN decided that they need another Star Trek show after Voyager was finally send to the "Realm of Dead Shows" Unfortunately, they still had only few new ideas and these are not really sufficent to carry the show... Therefore I don't think that this show will last seven seasons ... since Enterprise is way to expensive that UPN can ignore the apparent lack of success.
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PCC Fred
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Originally posted by CyberKnight: It's like Seven of Nine; it's such a blatant attempt to boost ratings it becomes uncomfortable and damages the show (by the way, Fred, I have to kill you for admiring Seven of Nine - the death of Voyager. ).
Boo hoo. I'll tell you another problem with Enterprise - it's straying too far from it's original premise, a prequel to the original series. The new Star Wars movies may be uneven, but you can see the universe of the original trilogy slowly being built up. Enterprise seems to have forgotten this, and the result is episode after episode where they're looking for Trellium-D to protect the ship against spatial anomolies so they can go hunting a race of aliens we never heard about in Kirk's time.
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PCC Fred
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« Reply #21 on: 02-07-2004 19:11 »
« Last Edit on: 02-07-2004 19:11 »
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22nd century - Borg attack Enterprise, Enterprise wins. Archer files a report, which is quickly forgotten. Forever.
23rd century - The Enterprise-B rescues El-Aurian refugees from the Nexus. The refugees tell Starfleet about the Borg, but don't have any useful data on them (their ships were destroyed in the Nexus).
24th century - Scientists want to learn more about this "Borg", and some of them - including the Hansens - go looking for them and collecting information. The Hansens end up being assimilated, about eight years before the Enterpise-D is launched.
TNG: Season 1 - The Borg attack and consume outposts along the Neutral Zone. Neither Starfleet nor the Romulans know who's responsible.
TNG: Season 2 - Q sends the Enterprise-D to Starfleet's first OFFICIAL encounter with the Borg.
TNG: Seasons 3-4 - The Borg invade Federation space and make a beeline for Earth. Enterprise-D kicks their ass. Hurray!
Note that the encounter in "Q Who" took place only 2 years away from Federation space, rather than in the Delta Quadrant.
My theory is that the Borg departed the Delta Quadrant for Federation space not long after assimilating the Hansens, and that had Q not engineered the Enterprise-D's first encounter, the Borg would have caught the Federation totally unawares in "The Best of Both Worlds".
At the end of "Q Who", Picard speculates that Q "did the right thing for the wrong reason". Or did he? Maybe Q deliberately engineered Picard's first encounter with the Borg so that Starfleet would be able to prepare themselves for an invasion that was coming anyway.
As for the destroyed outposts along the Neutral Zone, maybe the Borg cube sent a scout ship to "test the water" for an invasion.
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DrThunder88
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Originally posted by Chump: Frankly, Jeri Ryan is much hotter in Voyager than the vulcan chick in Enterprise. That's a big affirmative.
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Tweek
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Nixorbo
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Originally posted by Teral: Maybe the Borg assimilated some culture who was big on sportmanship. Or maybe they assimilated some incredibly arrogant culture.
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Grim
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
My theory is that the Borg departed the Delta Quadrant for Federation space not long after assimilating the Hansens The Borg already knew about the location of Earth and the federation, as the assimilated transport ship in Regeneration had sent a sub space message to the borg home world in the delta quadrant. The problem with Enterprise, is that they havent used it "prequeliness" to any effect, they've just made another Star Trek series and changed the dates and rolled back their technology. If they wanted to do this why didnt they just make the next next generation? Frankly I wanna see more of the events that lead to things we've already seen in "future" episodes
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Teral
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Oh, stop thinking so three-dimensionally. Mayeb the Borg of the 22nd century isn't as advanced as their 24th century counter-part and couldn't decipher the message. Although that would be very un-Borg-like to forget such a thing. Then again it is the post-V'Ger Borg who invade Earth.
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RoadKill
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Wasn't the whole point with Originally posted by PCC Fred: However I seem to remember the Borg getting some kind of signal off before they were destroyed in "Regeneration". That the signal wouldn't reach anyone in a coupl'a hundred years? I'm no die hard ST fan, I just get the episodes from some guy, 'cause I've got nothing better to do. But that's the way I remember it...
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