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canīt_read

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« on: 02-06-2004 14:35 »

I probably not the one to be saying this since I haven't watched a whole lot of Star Trek (a bit of DS9 and Voyager), but why is this show even on the air? Who does it appeal to because I frankly don't understand.
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« Reply #1 on: 02-06-2004 14:40 »

Two words: Jolene Blalock.
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« Reply #2 on: 02-06-2004 14:52 »
« Last Edit on: 02-06-2004 14:52 by Tweek »

It was really good when it started, but I don't think UPN promoted it enough. They're probably keeping it on the air because of this:  Click the link

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« Reply #3 on: 02-06-2004 15:10 »

Well, it makes money for the actors, producers and everything.

And money = good for buying stuff.

And maybe nerds might like it, so let's keep it on the air.
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« Reply #4 on: 02-06-2004 15:25 »

It was an attempt to cash in on the whole Prequel craze that was started by Star Wars Episode 1.

Frankly, Jeri Ryan is much hotter in Voyager than the vulcan chick in Enterprise.
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« Reply #5 on: 02-06-2004 15:43 »
« Last Edit on: 02-06-2004 15:43 »

 
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Originally posted by SlaytanicMaggot:
It was really good when it started, but I don't think UPN promoted it enough.


Really? I didn't think so at all and I've been watching it from the beginning, just hoping things would get better. Instead I've seen episode after episode of T'pol (spl?) either using decontaminating lotion or giving a message to Trip.

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« Reply #6 on: 02-06-2004 15:51 »

That's to get guys interested, and girls out into the massuese industry.

It was the Vulcan era of collagen lip enhancements.
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« Reply #7 on: 02-06-2004 17:09 »
« Last Edit on: 02-06-2004 17:09 »

I agree, T'pol is a lot more attractive than Spock (or however you spell it).
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« Reply #8 on: 02-06-2004 18:30 »

 
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Originally posted by Chump:
Frankly, Jeri Ryan is much hotter in Voyager than the vulcan chick in Enterprise.

Damn right!  love

I don't think Enterprise is that bad, but it seems mundane compared to the glory days of the early 90s.
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« Reply #9 on: 02-06-2004 20:38 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
I don't think Enterprise is that bad, but it seems mundane compared to the glory days of the early 90s.

Since DS9 aired between '92 and '99 I do believe you mean "the glory days of the 90s", right?

Seven was good, but she was no Dax.  love

Anyway, I haven't seen "Enterprise" yet, but I've not heard good things about it. I'm sure it have some great episodes (even V'Ger managed to churn out a "Year Of Hell" and a "Living Witness" once in a while), but overall I'm not rushing to 'acquire' some episodes.

 
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Originally posted by can't read:
but why is this show even on the air? Who does it appeal to because I frankly don't understand.

A main reason is the quite large fan following the Star Trek franchise have. A show with a large, loyal and allready established fanbase is a dream come true for TV execs. They thought they could profit from it, but forgot to take quality into account. The adding of "Star Trek" in front of the "Enterprise" is another attempt to cater to said fanbase.
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« Reply #10 on: 02-06-2004 21:43 »

I think the main problem with the show is that it had a chance to really go where no-one has gone before... but it hasn't.  Almost every plot could be straight out of any other series.  The whole prequel concept could have led to some extraordinary stories and situations, but it has only affected the show in a superficial matter (eg. polarizing hull plating instead of raising shields, phase cannons instead of phasers, and so forth). Even the role of the Vulcans is the same as seen before (instead of a captain at odds with a snooty admiral, it's a snooty Vulcan) Still worth watching, as this season seems to be picking up, but don't expect anything more than average Trek with wasted potential.
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« Reply #11 on: 02-06-2004 22:20 »
« Last Edit on: 02-06-2004 22:20 »

i like it, but only when they are progressing the temperal-cold war[sp] story line. all the other stories seem too predictable/flakey. and christ if that malcom says "with all due respect, captain" much more i will have to demand his head be put in to a food mixer. that episode where he got his leg nailed to the hull had me banging my head against a wall. "with all due respect this, all due respect that", SHUT UP YOU PONCE!!!

one thing, can anyone tell me which of spocks parents were human? and will this have anything to do with archer and t'pol? i can see them getting together at some point. actually, they're not spock's parents are they?
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« Reply #12 on: 02-06-2004 22:55 »

I'll take Major Kira for 600, Alex.

Although Dr. Crusher gets points for being a redhead.  She loses 99% of those points for the fruit of her loins being Wesley Crusher.

I lost interest in Enterprise early into season 2.  Haven't watched it since.
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« Reply #13 on: 02-06-2004 23:42 »

 
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Originally posted by zapperdan:
i like it, but only when they are progressing the temperal-cold war[sp] story line. all the other stories seem too predictable/flakey.

I agree.  I like the episodes having to do with them hunting for this alien weapon.  It seems to give the show a little more focus.  When they do stories that aren't centered on this, they seem to be pretty flat.  I don't care for the blatant fanservice either.  It's so contrived and forced, it irritates me.

 
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one thing, can anyone tell me which of spocks parents were human? and will this have anything to do with archer and t'pol? i can see them getting together at some point. actually, they're not spock's parents are they?

Spock's mama was the human.  My feeling is that this will have nothing to do with archer and t'pol.  I don't think the Enterprise timeline will mesh too well with the other series.  I'd guess the writers will avoid taking any connections to the history established by the other series too far.
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« Reply #14 on: 02-07-2004 01:59 »

I've read somewhere (I read a lot of things somewhere...) that the producers have stated that the timeline was changed in First Contact (the movie), so Enterprise isn't even in the same timeline as most of the other shows. I don't know if I believe it or not.
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« Reply #15 on: 02-07-2004 04:04 »

 
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Originally posted by Ranadok:
I've read somewhere (I read a lot of things somewhere...) that the producers have stated that the timeline was changed in First Contact (the movie), so Enterprise isn't even in the same timeline as most of the other shows. I don't know if I believe it or not.


The problem I have with Enterprise is that while they're perfectly capable of producing solid episodes like "Twilight" or "Dear Doctor", they dilute the season with a dozen other episodes that seem purely devoted to saying "Look! We've got sex appeal! Really! LOOOOK!!!!".

It's like Seven of Nine; it's such a blatant attempt to boost ratings it becomes uncomfortable and damages the show (by the way, Fred, I have to kill you for admiring Seven of Nine - the death of Voyager.  wink).

In a way, I'm kind of glad the show's struggling. Not because I hate the producers or the actors or the premise itself, but because the show needs a hard slap in the face to show that you can't just make a mostly sub-par sci-fi show, stick "Star Trek" on the top of it and expect millions upon millions of fans to tune in.
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« Reply #16 on: 02-07-2004 05:28 »

Good question.

The last good ST show was undoubtely DS9!

After that everything went down.

Voyager had no new good ideas...
Oh, look we have a woman in the captain's chair now!!! Aren't we creative?
The Kazon were some redesigned and dumber Klingons, which is why they disappeared after two seasons..
And then they brought the Borg back...
Also Voyager didn't have this guy (okay, once)

But Enterprise seems to have the same problem

For some reason UPN decided that they need another Star Trek show after Voyager was finally send to the "Realm of Dead Shows"

Unfortunately, they still had only few new ideas and these are not really sufficent to carry the show...

Therefore I don't think that this show will last seven seasons ... since Enterprise is way to expensive that UPN can ignore the apparent lack of success.
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« Reply #17 on: 02-07-2004 13:24 »

 
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Originally posted by CyberKnight:
It's like Seven of Nine; it's such a blatant attempt to boost ratings it becomes uncomfortable and damages the show (by the way, Fred, I have to kill you for admiring Seven of Nine - the death of Voyager.   wink).

Boo hoo.

I'll tell you another problem with Enterprise - it's straying too far from it's original premise, a prequel to the original series.

The new Star Wars movies may be uneven, but you can see the universe of the original trilogy slowly being built up.

Enterprise seems to have forgotten this, and the result is episode after episode where they're looking for Trellium-D to protect the ship against spatial anomolies so they can go hunting a race of aliens we never heard about in Kirk's time.
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« Reply #18 on: 02-07-2004 18:29 »

They're going to have to explain the appearance of the Borg in Enterprise... that is the biggest continuity goof they've had so far.
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« Reply #19 on: 02-07-2004 18:39 »

Actually, they skipped around it. The Borg were never actually identified in "Regeneration". They were just recorded as cybernetic beings.

The bigger continuity error is in Voyager's "Dark Frontier", where Seven's parents set out to research the Borg (against the wishes of the Federation) about a decade before the Enterprise D encountered them in "Q-Who?".
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« Reply #20 on: 02-07-2004 18:44 »
« Last Edit on: 02-07-2004 18:44 »

It can be argued that the Hansens had access to Archers classified report, and decided to track down these cybernetic aliens to study them.

Ofcourse it doesn't explain why the Borg don't know about hmanity and how to deal with humans after having a human drone for more than 2 decades.
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« Reply #21 on: 02-07-2004 19:11 »
« Last Edit on: 02-07-2004 19:11 »

22nd century - Borg attack Enterprise, Enterprise wins.  Archer files a report, which is quickly forgotten.  Forever.

23rd century - The Enterprise-B rescues El-Aurian refugees from the Nexus.  The refugees tell Starfleet about the Borg, but don't have any useful data on them (their ships were destroyed in the Nexus).

24th century - Scientists want to learn more about this "Borg", and some of them - including the Hansens - go looking for them and collecting information.  The Hansens end up being assimilated, about eight years before the Enterpise-D is launched.

TNG: Season 1 - The Borg attack and consume outposts along the Neutral Zone.  Neither Starfleet nor the Romulans know who's responsible.

TNG: Season 2 - Q sends the Enterprise-D to Starfleet's first OFFICIAL encounter with the Borg.

TNG: Seasons 3-4 - The Borg invade Federation space and make a beeline for Earth.  Enterprise-D kicks their ass.  Hurray!

Note that the encounter in "Q Who" took place only 2 years away from Federation space, rather than in the Delta Quadrant.

My theory is that the Borg departed the Delta Quadrant for Federation space not long after assimilating the Hansens, and that had Q not engineered the Enterprise-D's first encounter, the Borg would have caught the Federation totally unawares in "The Best of Both Worlds".

At the end of "Q Who", Picard speculates that Q "did the right thing for the wrong reason".  Or did he?  Maybe Q deliberately engineered Picard's first encounter with the Borg so that Starfleet would be able to prepare themselves for an invasion that was coming anyway.

As for the destroyed outposts along the Neutral Zone, maybe the Borg cube sent a scout ship to "test the water" for an invasion.
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« Reply #22 on: 02-07-2004 19:51 »
« Last Edit on: 02-07-2004 19:51 »

Are you suggesting that the creators planned 3 series in advance, or that they just were fortunate enough to not mess themselves up in any serious way when playing with the Borg in later years? 

Edit: Good timeline, but shouldn't you add that the borg from Archer's encounter were left-overs from Picard's First Contact encounter, thus bringing the whole thing into a nice, neat paradox?
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« Reply #23 on: 02-07-2004 19:52 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
At the end of "Q Who", Picard speculates that Q "did the right thing for the wrong reason".  Or did he?  Maybe Q deliberately engineered Picard's first encounter with the Borg so that Starfleet would be able to prepare themselves for an invasion that was coming anyway.

It would make sense.  Q usually acted in Picard's best interest, or what he thought was Picard's best interest, whether Picard wanted Q's "help" or not.

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« Reply #24 on: 02-07-2004 20:18 »
« Last Edit on: 02-07-2004 20:18 »

 
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Originally posted by Ranadok:
Are you suggesting that the creators planned 3 series in advance, or that they just were fortunate enough to not mess themselves up in any serious way when playing with the Borg in later years? 

Edit: Good timeline, but shouldn't you add that the borg from Archer's encounter were left-overs from Picard's First Contact encounter, thus bringing the whole thing into a nice, neat paradox?

In my version of the timeline, the Borg are never linked back to Archer's report, therefore Archer's enocunter with the Borg has no effect on future encounters.  Therefore there's no paradox.

However I seem to remember the Borg getting some kind of signal off before they were destroyed in "Regeneration".  Perhaps the signal never reached any 22nd century Borg vessels, so they remained unaware of humanity until they assimilated the Hansens.

And I'm not suggesting that the producers had three series planned in advance.  I'm just trying to put these Borg encounters into an historical timeline that leaves as few loose ends as possible.
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« Reply #25 on: 02-07-2004 20:54 »

 
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Originally posted by Chump:
Frankly, Jeri Ryan is much hotter in Voyager than the vulcan chick in Enterprise.

That's a big affirmative.
Ranadok

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« Reply #26 on: 02-07-2004 21:00 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
  In my version of the timeline, the Borg are never linked back to Archer's report, therefore Archer's enocunter with the Borg has no effect on future encounters.  Therefore there's no paradox.

Ah, I see where you're at now. I thought you had a link between Archer and the El Aurian reports for some reason.  roll eyes
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« Reply #27 on: 02-08-2004 02:59 »

What I don't get about First Contact is that the Borg only ever wanted to assimilate the Federation because of their advanced technology. So what was the incentive to go back in time and assimilate a technologically inferior Earth?

If they really wanted to assimilate Earth, you know what they should do? SEND MORE THAN ONE CUBE!   tongue  wink
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« Reply #28 on: 02-08-2004 10:39 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:

Seven was good, but she was no Dax.  love

 
Especially if you are talking about Ezri Dax  love  flirt

I also think T'pol is hotter than Seven  smile
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« Reply #29 on: 02-08-2004 13:16 »

I was actually talking about Jadzia, although Ezri was a real cutie too. Maybe if she had a ponytail. What is it about Trills? I think it's the spots.

 
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Originally posted by CyberKnight:
If they really wanted to assimilate Earth, you know what they should do? SEND MORE THAN ONE CUBE!    tongue   wink

For one it would make Guinan's statement in "Q Who" about the Borg always attacking in strenght a bit more true. Maybe the Borg assimilated some culture who was big on sportmanship.  wink
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« Reply #30 on: 02-08-2004 13:35 »

 
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Maybe the Borg assimilated some culture who was big on sportmanship.

Or maybe they assimilated some incredibly arrogant culture.

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« Reply #31 on: 02-08-2004 13:50 »

Or maybe they liked to gamble in the "Great Cube Race" and could only spare one Cube!!

All this talk of cubes is making me hungry....
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« Reply #32 on: 02-10-2004 01:38 »

 
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Originally posted by davierocks:
Two words: Jolene Blalock.

Twenty-five words: there are much hotter women on TV--just because she has a stupid jumpsuit and goofy scifi ears doesn't make her the hottest woman alive.
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« Reply #33 on: 02-10-2004 07:21 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:

My theory is that the Borg departed the Delta Quadrant for Federation space not long after assimilating the Hansens

The Borg already knew about the location of Earth and the federation, as the assimilated transport ship in Regeneration had sent a sub space message to the borg home world in the delta quadrant.


The problem with Enterprise, is that they havent used it "prequeliness" to any effect, they've just made another Star Trek series and changed the dates and rolled back their technology. If they wanted to do this why didnt they just make the next next generation?

Frankly I wanna see more of the events that lead to things we've already seen in "future" episodes
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« Reply #34 on: 02-10-2004 08:15 »
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Originally posted by Grim:
 The Borg already knew about the location of Earth and the federation, as the assimilated transport ship in Regeneration had sent a sub space message to the borg home world in the delta quadrant.

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred in the post Grim apparently didn't read:
However I seem to remember the Borg getting some kind of signal off before they were destroyed in "Regeneration". Perhaps the signal never reached any 22nd century Borg vessels, so they remained unaware of humanity until they assimilated the Hansens.

I'm sticking with that.  I know it's a technical loophole, but we don't know if the Borg received the message, only that it was transmitted.
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« Reply #35 on: 02-10-2004 08:18 »

Or alternatively, maybe 22nd century humans were deemed too insignificant in technological prowess to bother sending a cube 70,000 light years to assimilate them.

So maybe in First Contact the Borg just got fed up of the Federation and decided to stop them getting  in their way?  wink
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« Reply #36 on: 02-10-2004 08:24 »
« Last Edit on: 02-10-2004 08:24 »

Or maybe it WAS a paradox - the 22nd century Borg received the message from "Regeneration", and learned of the events of ST:FC.  Then, in the 24th century, they sent the sphere back to time of Cochrane's flight not to assimilate Earth, but to make sure events unfold they way they should!
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« Reply #37 on: 02-10-2004 09:11 »

Yeah, the Borg are real sticklers for temporal consistency.  wink
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« Reply #38 on: 02-10-2004 13:44 »

Oh, stop thinking so three-dimensionally.  tongue

Mayeb the Borg of the 22nd century isn't as advanced as their 24th century counter-part and couldn't decipher the message. Although that would be very un-Borg-like to forget such a thing. Then again it is the post-V'Ger Borg who invade Earth.
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« Reply #39 on: 02-16-2004 07:51 »

Wasn't the whole point with
 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
However I seem to remember the Borg getting some kind of signal off before they were destroyed in "Regeneration".
That the signal wouldn't reach anyone in a coupl'a hundred years?

I'm no die hard ST fan, I just get the episodes from some guy, 'cause I've got nothing better to do. But that's the way I remember it...
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