Justice League

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In the past few weeks, I started to catch "Justice League" on CN. Surprisingly, it's pretty good...much better than I thought it would be. Now, I'm not a huge DC Comics fan, so I'm in the dark about some of it, but I still find it pretty engaging. So, I guess I'm christening this the new "Justice League thread."

If anyone else watches it, that is.

/I did a search for this and nothing came up, so I started a thread.

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erm, i don't like it at all really. erm, i dont like the stylised aproach to the characters. i've never really been a big american hero fan, dc and marvel etc... but wait batman is cool. not in justice league, but he's cool. giger was going to design the car in batman forever you know... erm, nevermind.

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I liked the one where Superman was Robinson Crusoe in the future and he had to make a sword and kill of wolfcreatures and eat giant roaches...

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I don't like the Justice League, or DC comics for that matter. Marvel comics could kick DC's any day!

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I fully agree that the Justice League cartoon is 100% U.S.D.F crap and well..... it is crap for 2 reasons... they ruined the comic's artwork to a horrible level of travesty ... and Batman is so tragically gay...

P.S........The Fantasic 4 rule...

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its not that bad, but im confused in somethigs, heres a list:
1. Are Hawkgirl and Green Latern an Item?
2. I thought Hawkgirl was married.
3. whene did Green Lantern become black?
4. Is Star Saphire black too, I couldent tell but she kinda looked it.

p.s. Im still a way bigger Marvel fan.

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Originally posted by LaVaLaDy:
its not that bad, but im confused in somethigs, heres a list:
1. Are Hawkgirl and Green Latern an Item?

Well, judging by the last few episodes, they are now.  Actually, they've been building towards this for a while now, if you've been paying attention.  It was subtle, but it was there.

 

2. I thought Hawkgirl was married.

In the comics she is, but you don't see any Hawkman on the cartoon, do you?  It's a separate continuity.  Don't worry about it.

 

3. whene did Green Lantern become black?

There are a lot of Green Lanterns.  The one in the cartoon is John Stewart, and he's always been black.  You're probably thinking of Hal Jordan, or that new guy, Kyle Whatshisname.

 

4. Is Star Saphire black too, I couldent tell but she kinda looked it.

Carol Ferris?  Nah, she's white.

 

p.s. Im still a way bigger Marvel fan.

Marvel, DC, both are good.   

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i used to watch the fantastic four when i was tiny. wow, that was great, i loved it.

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*bump*

Since we started talking about the Justice League Unlimited in the other thread, I thought I'd bump this one.

I missed the first few minutes of last night's episode (who schedules new stuff on Saturday nights??), but I wasn't really impressed with what I saw.  I was never a big DC fan to begin with, but through a few episodes, I started to like the Justice League.  Now, with all these new characters, it seems like the team chemistry is just diluted. 

I flat out don't like the Green Arrow.  I find him contrived and deus ex machina.  I mean, the only thing that can stop the rampaging robot are metal rods that look exactly like arrows?  WTF?  Plus, the snotty rebel superhero is too much of a cliche.  The Green Arrow isn't even a badass to justify his role.

I'm not a fan of the 1/2 hour episodes, either.  Plots seem rushed and more "cartoon-like" than they used to.  I really should wait until I see more episodes to judge, but IMO, the show is off on a bad foot.

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And I thought I was the only one who bumped old threads.

Anyway, I think the show has potential.

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I call it the Superhero Soap Opera. It's like their way over dramatic. I don't like DC. It's just so emotional. Marvel is my cup of tea. I mean there is emotions but it's in between the awesome fights & what not.

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How could you not like Justice League? The new episodes are awesome! Supergirl kicks major ass.

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I miss Hawkgirl. I was way too excited when she took off that damn helmet. Yow.

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I liked Justice League, because everything was like a challenge. I miss JLUnlimited, but it seems like everything would be too easy, and they would have to stretch things too much to make it a struggle for a hundred super heroes. I mean, they already saved the universe from a giant trans-dimensional monster, with just seven of them.

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Don't worry. It will be on next week.

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There's a new justice league thing coming out by the smae people I think, it's called Justice league: unlimited and it has all the DC superheroes like the atom, and the apache giant, maybe even the black lightning guy.

 

Originally posted by David A
There are a lot of Green Lanterns. The one in the cartoon is John Stewart, and he's always been black. You're probably thinking of Hal Jordan, or that new guy, Kyle Whatshisname.

ooh, I know this one Kyle Rainer, Hal became Spetre and John sadly, was only in the comic for a short time.

First: Alan Sheppard
Next: Hal Jordan (too many comics)
Then:John Stewart (too little)
Also: Guy Gardener
Finally: Kyle Rainer

but kyle isnt last if you include the Spectre

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You're a little late, JLU premiered saturday, and if you read any of the thread, you would know that we know about it.

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Originally posted by Guineapig Trick:
ooh, I know this one Kyle Rainer,

Rayner, actually.  I know his name, I just don't think much of these johnny-come-lately superheroes.  To me, Green Lantern will always be Hal Jordan.  (Yes, I know that Alan Scott was first, but I grew up with Hal Jordan as Green Lantern.)

 

Hal became Spetre and John sadly, was only in the comic for a short time.

John Stewart was in the comics for more than a short time.  A lot of that was before you were born, though, so I think that we can forgive your ignorance of that.

 

First: Alan Sheppard

Swing and a miss.  It's Alan Scott.  You're thinking of that astronaut.

 

Next: Hal Jordan (too many comics)
Then:John Stewart (too little)
Also: Guy Gardener
Finally: Kyle Rainer

Those are just the Green Lanterns from earth.  There are a lot more.  3600 at any one time, in fact.  Well, there used to be.  I guess it's just Kyle Rayner, now.

*Sigh*  Is it just me, or were the silver age comics like a million times better than the crap that DC churns out nowadays?  I miss the old days of the Green Lantern Corps.

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Originally posted by Cyberman:
How could you not like Justice League?

Like this: I don't like the Justice League, I don't like DC comics.

And I don't have to like them. Like I said, I prefear Marvel. I don't know why I dislike them. But I'll admit some of my family I grew up with were huge Batman fans. But I thought he was dumb. And when I saw Spider-Man I loved it. Now I"m a huge fan of Marvel. They just don't have that extra drama fat that DC does. It's a dud in my world. Maybe not to you Cyberman, but that's cool. *Does the peace sign*. 

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On the Green Lantern:

From the Justice League cartoons, he seems to be the only competent member of the team.  This is exemplified even more when he basically babysits Green Arrow, Supergirl, and Capt. Atom in the season premire.  I mean, I know everyone in the JLU is new, but do so many of them have to be completely incompentent?  You would think that a superhero would have some sort of dedication and willingness to work together.  But only GL seems to get the job done on repeat occasions.  Even in the first two series, everyone relied on GL when things got tough.

Maybe I sound like a GL fanboy, but I'm really not.  I really thought the character was kinda silly until I started watching the show.  So my opinions are based solely on the animated John Stewart.

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Batman also seemed very competent, but he was more of a loner.

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Okay, now that I've seen a few more of these episodes, I'm completely and utterly confused.  The cool factor from the first two seasons has given way to "WTF?"  I think the JLU gimmick might grow old fast.  I mean, who would you rather have,  Green Lantern or Green Arrow?

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Green Lantern. I'm more familar with him.

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It was a rhetorical question.

Although tonight's episode was worth it, just to see Batman sing.  I don't think I can look at Bats the same way again.

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Just lurking in wondering if anyone saw the Newest episode. Written by a Simpsons writer (Andrew Kreisberg) it is about Booster Gold a looser from the 24th century who grabs some common tech and goes back in time to become a superhero.

Funny episode, Billy West also does the voice for Skeets, BG's robot in a voice that sounds almost exacly like Fry. Recomend the episode Futurama fans.

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Hey, Musca.  Long time no see.

I saw that episode too.  Pretty funny.

 

Originally posted by evan:
I mean, who would you rather have,  Green Lantern or Green Arrow?

Assuming that the Green Lantern in question is Hal Jordan, I'd rather have both of them together, and the two of them should go on a road trip across America.  That was such a great book.

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Well, hello Mr. Fancy Know-it-All...we can't all know the canon of the Green Arrow. 

My problem with the Green Arrow is thus: since the JLU, in comic and cartoon form, is seen as "children's entertainment," GA is unable to just shoot someone with an arrow.  All of his arsenal has to contain "gimmicky" arrows, like the boxing-glove arrow or the flash arrow or what-not.  The boxing-glove arrow is just stupid, pretty much, and for me at least, ruins any sort of serious nature the show might have.

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Green Arrow was pretty much like that in the comics too, at least in the old days.  He got a lot less silly after that Green Lantern/Green Arrow team-up book.

Besides, Green Arrow sided with Batman against Superman in both The Dark Knight Returns and Kingdom Come, so he gets extra points for that.

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This Sat's episode of JLU is going to be good.  It features one of my favorite villains, Lex Luther, though I hear in this episode he's been reformed.  I don't have a problem with that, because this episode also features the return of Amazo.

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Awesome, awesome to the max.  Tonight's episode, The Return reminded me of the awesome episodes of season 2.  I really would have liked to see an hour long version of this episode, with more battles between Amazo and the new additions to the JL.  But, as it is, it was still great.

Minor problem:  Dr. Fate seems way too much like a poor man's Dr. Strange.  Even including the tower, the planeshifter wife, etc.

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And the return of Hawkgirl, kinda...WTF?

/edit - Is this Kyle Rayner's first appearance in the animated DCU?  I never saw the Superman: TAS episodes.

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Originally posted by evan:
Minor problem:  Dr. Fate seems way too much like a poor man's Dr. Strange.

That's because he is.

Remember the episode "The Terror Beyond"?  That was based on an old Defenders story.  They just replaced Dr. Strange, Prince Namor, and the Hulk with Dr. Fate, Aquaman, and Solomon Grundy.

 

/edit - Is this Kyle Rayner's first appearance in the animated DCU?  I never saw the Superman: TAS episodes.

Nope.  Kyle appeared on Superman: TAS.  Sort of.  They gave him Hal Jordan's origin story (the only thing they changed was that he was a cartoonist working for the Daily Planet instead of being a test pilot from Coast City), and his costume looked like Hal's.  He and Superman fought Hal Jordan's archenemy Sinestro.

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Actually, Dr. Strange is a poor man's Dr. Fate. Fate's first appearance was in the 1940s; Strange didn't appear until over two decades later.

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I didn't mean that Dr. Fate was a rip-off of Dr. Strange.  I just meant that the characters are very similar; and that Dr. Strange is the more interesting of the two, at least in my opinion.  Then again, I'm really not that familiar with the comic book version of Dr. Fate, so my opinion is based mainly on the animated version.

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I just resaw the first episode featuring Green Arrow and there is a scene where he and Supergirl flirt.  I hope this isn't the beginning of a love relationship because Green Arrow seems a little too old.  I hope it is more of a brother/sister type relationship.  They were in another episode together as well.

JLU, seems more like GI Joe.  You know a cartoon about a whole bunch of characters, and in each episode it focuses on different people at a time.  Sometimes the popular character recur now and then.  That's what I get out of JLU.  I think it is sort of cool, they do the show like that.  I just wish The Flash finally has a big role for this season.

David A: Also, many people feel Solomon Grundy and the Hulk are two similar characters.

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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
I just resaw the first episode featuring Green Arrow and there is a scene where he and Supergirl flirt.  I hope this isn't the beginning of a love relationship because Green Arrow seems a little too old.

Ew.  He's old enough to be her father.

 

I just wish The Flash finally has a big role for this season.

Don't count on it.  If he didn't get a lot of time in the spotlight before, he probably won't be getting more after so many new characters have been added.

"The Brave and the Bold" was a pretty good Flash episode from season one, even if it was the wrong Green Lantern and the wrong Flash.

 

Also, many people feel Solomon Grundy and the Hulk are two similar characters.

That's probably why they gave Grundy the Hulk's role in that story.

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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
  I just wish The Flash finally has a big role for this season.

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Maybe not this season, but according to Toonzone, the fourth-season ep "Miracles Can Happen" not only features the debut of Mr. Miracle and Big Barda, but features "someone who's been noticeably MIA." Three guesses who that might be.

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I have a question:
Why does Captain Atom even run around as a superhero? Every time he gets scratched open, he explodes with enough force to level Kansas - Which he did once. So what the hell? Every superhero gets scratched during a fight, why does he keep going out and putting everyone in jeopardy? I like him and all, but I mean really.

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Speli, have you read Watchmen?  Captain Atom was the inspiration for Dr. Manhattan, aka, he's just too useful to be left behind.  I'm not completely familiar with his comic book life, but I don't think he blows up just at any scratch.  You need concentrated effort to puncture his suit.

Firestorm, however, goes up like a match just by being poked with a sword.  Lamer.

 

Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
I just resaw the first episode featuring Green Arrow and there is a scene where he and Supergirl flirt.  I hope this isn't the beginning of a love relationship because Green Arrow seems a little too old.  I hope it is more of a brother/sister type relationship.  They were in another episode together as well.

I doubt it, because they already threw in the Green Arrow/Black Canary romance thread in that episode.  BTW, why does the Watchtower have showers that open right onto the main hallway?

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Speli: It takes more than just a scratch, but that is a valid point.  Fighting super villains is the last thing Captain Atom should be doing.  What good is it to stop the Parasite if you level Kansas in the process?

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Yeah, there's like 5000 new superheroes and they all end up dying at once in space and then coming back... crazy yo.