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PEE Poll: Trilogy, or no
Yes, Movies With Sequels Should Become Trilogies   -1 (3.4%)
No, Most Movies With Sequels Sucked Anyways   -4 (13.8%)
It Would Have To Depend On Which Movies   -24 (82.8%)
Total Voters: 29

Slurm Guy

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« on: 11-23-2003 23:13 »

Me and a friend of mine have this weird belief, or feeling about movies with sequels. I think that any movie with a sequel should be made into a trilogy, even if the second one did suck. I think that every franchise should have the chance to redeem itself after a bad sequel. Then if the third one sucks too, then it was worth a shot. Some examples of movies that I want to see a third installment of include: Rush Hour, Charlies Angels, The Mummy, Toy Story, Ace Ventura, and so on...
So I wanted to know what everyone thought about this.

Hey Don, don't post right after me. I think they're on to us!
Ben

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« Reply #1 on: 11-23-2003 23:40 »

Well, seeing that, in my opinion, those movies you mentioned shouldn't have even been allowed to have sequels made (excepting Toy Story), I'll have to respectfully disagree.
Coop

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« Reply #2 on: 11-24-2003 00:20 »

It depends on the movie definitely. Kickboxer was a great trilogy.


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TheMadCapper

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« Reply #3 on: 11-24-2003 00:24 »

I think the answer is this - "It depends".
mazaite

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« Reply #4 on: 11-24-2003 01:13 »

Abso-F&*$-loutly not!

Only things written as trilogys to begin with (Star Wars, Lord Of The Rings, other???) Should be trilogys.

I mean God damn look what it did to the Matrix for F*&*s sake. the other two movies were just a long two part shitty as usual sequel. As you can tell I'm not all that pro-sequel either.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #5 on: 11-24-2003 01:45 »

Ugh. What a stupid topic. What's the big deal about trilogies, anyway? I know Star Wars was good, but why the hell does everything have to be a trilogy?

Just make however many sequels are appropriate(in most cases, zero).
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #6 on: 11-24-2003 06:46 »

 
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Originally posted by mazaite:
Abso-F&*$-loutly not!

Only things written as trilogys to begin with (Star Wars, Lord Of The Rings, other???) Should be trilogys.

I mean God damn look what it did to the Matrix for F*&*s sake. the other two movies were just a long two part shitty as usual sequel. As you can tell I'm not all that pro-sequel either.

The Matrix was meant to be a trilogy. Like Star Wars, since the first one was successful, the other two chapters of the story were completed.
TheLastGreatDon

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« Reply #7 on: 11-24-2003 08:24 »
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     It depends and when the hell is there going to be a sequel to that damn godzilla remake.... that one with Matt Brodrick..... Now does that deserve a sequel? I believe so. Damn it.
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #8 on: 11-24-2003 08:59 »

How about a Wayne's World Trilogy?
SamuelXDiamond

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« Reply #9 on: 11-24-2003 12:10 »
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They should totally make a third Short Circuit movie. Wacky talking robot Johnny 5 goes into space! Or converts to Buddhism! Or has a string of top-ten hits then is found dead in a pool of his own battery fluid!

Funny stuff, as you can imagine. I'll get working on the licencing issues.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #10 on: 11-24-2003 14:48 »

It all depends on the movie  smile With exception, in the majority of cases, sequals don't live up the the original.
evan

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« Reply #11 on: 11-24-2003 14:53 »

 
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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
Ugh. What a stupid topic. What's the big deal about trilogies, anyway? I know Star Wars was good, but why the hell does everything have to be a trilogy?

Just make however many sequels are appropriate(in most cases, zero).

Aside from Star Wars, I can't think of a triology that I liked all the way through that wasn't based on a book. Indiana Jones was weak in the second film, Alien was weak in the third film, etc...However, an X-Men 3 could change my mind...

But crappy trilogies have got to go...
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #12 on: 11-24-2003 15:08 »
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How about the Austin Powers Trilogy?
Or Back To The Future?
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« Reply #13 on: 11-24-2003 15:22 »

Sequels are, on the most part, an effort to milk more money from the orginal that was successful. Some exceptions are stories written in three parts, which is rare. And, on another note, making prequels for the Star Wars series was a bad move in my mind and it was a stain on an otherwise great series.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #14 on: 11-24-2003 15:37 »

 
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Originally posted by Slurm Guy:
How about the Austin Powers Trilogy?
Or Back To The Future?

Like I said, there are always exceptions. And IMO, Back To The Future is one of them  smile

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« Reply #15 on: 11-24-2003 15:59 »

It seriously depends on the movie.  For example, I would love to see a Gremlins 3 (though Joe Dante pretty much calls that an impossibility in his DVD commentary for Gremlins 2), but I don't ever want to see Dumb & Dumber 3, or Bad Boys 3.
Mr. Potter

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« Reply #16 on: 11-24-2003 16:15 »

Yeah, it depends on the movies. Not everything has to have a third part just to do a better job than the sequel. All is based in money, no matter how much a sequel sucked, if it makes good money, you can bet there's already a third part in the works.
TheLastGreatDon

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« Reply #17 on: 11-24-2003 16:26 »

God bless BTTF, that bad ass coke head barons design... the beloved Deloreon.
mazaite

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« Reply #18 on: 11-24-2003 19:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Slurm Guy:
 The Matrix was meant to be a trilogy. Like Star Wars, since the first one was successful, the other two chapters of the story were completed.

Bull s&^t Slurm Guy. Bull s^&t.
Those Fat F*&(s made the Matrix, saw how good the reaction to it was in pre-screening and said "Hey I think after the twin shit storms of "Bound" and "Assasans" we finaly hit the grail of Hollywood, an exploitable franchise concept. Hooray! I'm gonna buy me a solid gold piniata!!" Then after the movie was aired and idiots wrote college papers baised on junior high psudo-philosophy. The Wachowskis read a bunch of them then co-opted as much as they could to spit togeather a shitty drawn out sequel in two parts that contained about 1/2 of an actual movie's worth of content. And thus The Matrix "trilogy" was stillbourne onto the world.

Oh and TLGD: George Barris made the beautifull DeLorean E.L. Brown Mk. 1 time machine. He also made a car for the movie "the Car" that was what was used in spitting immage to make the wearcar bender.

He also made the Genneral Lee, K.I.T.T., Ecto-1, the A-team Van, and of course the batmobile, and many more.

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Slurm Guy

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« Reply #19 on: 11-24-2003 21:00 »

The Matrix was an introduction, Reloaded and Revolutions was the story that was meant to be told.
mazaite

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« Reply #20 on: 11-25-2003 01:09 »

No it wasn't. They may say that now. But before the principal photography of "the Matrix" was finished they had nothing. Hell after the last Post-production of Revolutions they still had nothing. They're just a couple of hollywood one trick poneys like Affleck and Damon. You probably aslo belive that Star Wars Prequel shit was actualy written by lucas before 1995 too.
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #21 on: 11-25-2003 01:12 »
« Last Edit on: 11-25-2003 01:12 »

But it was. The script wasn't complete, but the story was there.
David A

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« Reply #22 on: 11-25-2003 03:29 »

 
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Originally posted by mazaite:
 Bull s&^t Slurm Guy. Bull s^&t.
Those Fat F*&(s made the Matrix, saw how good the reaction to it was in pre-screening and said "Hey I think after the twin shit storms of "Bound" and "Assasans" we finaly hit the grail of Hollywood, an exploitable franchise concept. Hooray! I'm gonna buy me a solid gold piniata!!" Then after the movie was aired and idiots wrote college papers baised on junior high psudo-philosophy. The Wachowskis read a bunch of them then co-opted as much as they could to spit togeather a shitty drawn out sequel in two parts that contained about 1/2 of an actual movie's worth of content. And thus The Matrix "trilogy" was stillbourne onto the world.

Someone had to say it.   cool

 
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Oh and TLGD: George Barris made the beautifull DeLorean E.L. Brown Mk. 1 time machine. He also made a car for the movie "the Car" that was what was used in spitting immage to make the wearcar bender.

He also made the Genneral Lee, K.I.T.T., Ecto-1, the A-team Van, and of course the batmobile, and many more.

I never realized that one guy was behind all of those vehicle designs.  Neat.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #23 on: 11-25-2003 06:18 »

 
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Originally posted by Slurm Guy:
But it was. The script wasn't complete, but the story was there.

Depends on what you mean by "story". From what I can tell, the "story" George Lucas speaks of is pretty loose, and he only had some basic ideas down. "Anakin falls in love, goes to the dark side, the Empire happens, etc". It wasn't the grand plan that some nerds want to believe--if you go back and read the original Star Wars script, the story was completely different from the movies we have now.

Really his "story" was just a collection of scifi ideas(which made no sense, even to a nerd like me), that were later simplified and redistributed over a series of six completely different movies.
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #24 on: 11-25-2003 07:09 »

I find yor lack of faith disturbing.
*force chokes Mazaite and FishyJoe*
Just Chris

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« Reply #25 on: 11-25-2003 11:26 »

It totally depends on the movie. I cannot be too optimistic of sequels where the first part was filmed many years ago. Take Ghostbusters. I liked both movies, they were really great. But a new one is planned for next year and I think it will tarnish the image. It's not the 80's anymore, and unless the original actors return as out-of-retirement ghost catchers, I won't be interested.
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« Reply #26 on: 11-25-2003 13:27 »

Austin powers isn't really a trilogy.the storie aren't really linked
they probably shouldn't have numberd it to keep the idea of it being non continuos like bond movies
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #27 on: 11-25-2003 13:31 »

A trilogy doesn't need to have three stories that are all linked. Take Indiana Jones for example.
Ranadok

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« Reply #28 on: 11-25-2003 13:53 »
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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
 Depends on what you mean by "story". From what I can tell, the "story" George Lucas speaks of is pretty loose, and he only had some basic ideas down. "Anakin falls in love, goes to the dark side, the Empire happens, etc". It wasn't the grand plan that some nerds want to believe--if you go back and read the original Star Wars script, the story was completely different from the movies we have now.

Really his "story" was just a collection of scifi ideas(which made no sense, even to a nerd like me), that were later simplified and redistributed over a series of six completely different movies.

  It's true. I had a book a while back with the first draft of Star Wars, and it had some pretty major changes (Luke's father still alive, acting much like Obi-Wan in ANH, Luke having tons of brothers, all traning to be Jedi, that kind of thing). If Lucas had any plan at all before ANH, it was either very, very loose, or torn to shreds by the final version of the film.
Impossible

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« Reply #29 on: 11-25-2003 14:12 »

I think it depends on what kind of film it is. The Godfather trilogy seemed to work, after all, Godfather II is the only sequel ever to have one the best picture Oscar. The Indiana Jones trilogy is excellent. I'm not sure whether trilogies work with The Matrix or Back To The Future though, because everyone always seems to prefer the original one, and some wish that they'd never had sequels. And the Lord Of The Rings trilogy is excellent, no doubting that. I've lived to see a great trilogy being made!  big grin
mazaite

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« Reply #30 on: 11-26-2003 02:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Slurm Guy:
A trilogy doesn't need to have three stories that are all linked. Take Indiana Jones for example.

I don't know. Indiana Jones was meant to be more like a serial not a trillogy. Like Bond. It just got burryed under Lucas and Spielburgs giant heads after temple of suck, then it floundered around in unmadeland untill crusade, And now whatever's going on with the new one.

But in genneral a trilogy is a series of three dramas or literary works or sometimes three musical compositions that are closely related and develop a single theme. (websters)

Jones dosen't do that. Nither really does Austin Powers.(plus don't they still want to make more?)

A trilogy really needs to be started as a trilogy to properly pull a single theme along.

Michael Zaite
FishyJoe

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« Reply #31 on: 11-26-2003 03:24 »

Well, I guess the closely related theme would just be "Harrison Ford" or "crazy religious artifacts". I don't put a fancy definition on trilogy...if there are three installments, I say it's a trilogy. And if you're making a serial, three is just a nice round number to stop at. A nice "box set" number, for future video rereleases. Because who is going to buy a box set of two or four movies? Nobody!

*spits on Alien and Toy Story*

 
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By Impossible:
I'm not sure whether trilogies work with The Matrix or Back To The Future though, because everyone always seems to prefer the original one, and some wish that they'd never had sequels.

Yeah, but come on. Back To The Future ended with "To Be Continued". You couldn't not a have a sequel!

 
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It's true. I had a book a while back with the first draft of Star Wars, and it had some pretty major changes (Luke's father still alive, acting much like Obi-Wan in ANH, Luke having tons of brothers, all traning to be Jedi, that kind of thing). If Lucas had any plan at all before ANH, it was either very, very loose, or torn to shreds by the final version of the film.

I didn't read the whole script, because it seriously made no sense. It seems like every sentence threw a new, complicated fantasy term at you. If Lucas hadn't simplified things for the final movie, it would have been a disaster.

Still, I skimmed it, and it had some elements that are still making it through to the newer movies. The whole cloning thing, with the growth acceleration was cannibalized for Attack of the Clones. And there was a character with a robotic arm. I'm guessing his scenes will probably be similar to Anakin's in episode III.
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #32 on: 11-26-2003 08:29 »
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I'm getting the Alien quadrilogy box set.
mazaite

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« Reply #33 on: 11-26-2003 17:14 »
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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
Yeah, but come on. Back To The Future ended with "To Be Continued". You couldn't not a have a sequel!

Not in it's original Theater version it didn't. They stuck that on in the VHS and TV release after the Bob's decided to make the sequels. (kinda like the Matrix actualy) But when you went to see it in 1985 it never said "To Be Continued."
Slurm Guy

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« Reply #34 on: 11-26-2003 18:48 »

 
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Originally posted by mazaite:
     
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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
Yeah, but come on. Back To The Future ended with "To Be Continued". You couldn't not a have a sequel!
Not in it's original Theater version it didn't. They stuck that on in the VHS and TV release after the Bob's decided to make the sequels. (kinda like the Matrix actualy) But when you went to see it in 1985 it never said "To Be Continued."

That may be true but the ending was just screaming sequel anyway.
Plutonia

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« Reply #35 on: 11-27-2003 12:55 »

It depends on the movie I mean no one wants movies like The Jungle Book 2 and The Little Mermaid 2 to become a trilogy.
fromage

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« Reply #36 on: 11-27-2003 13:52 »

Would you really like to see robocop 3???

Oh wait... they made a Robocop 3, and it sucked big time!
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #37 on: 11-27-2003 16:53 »

I think it would depend on the film series.  When I saw ST:TMP in '79, the movie had a pretty final ending.  So it was a surprise to me when I read in Starlog that ST 2 was coming out, and then part 3 and 4 actually made a pretty good trilogy in themselves.
Superman laid the ground work for a sequel, but the 3rd part was pretty sucky.  It just depends.
mazaite

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« Reply #38 on: 11-28-2003 19:34 »

 
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Originally posted by Slurm Guy:
 That may be true but the ending was just screaming sequel anyway.

No it wasn't. Why do people always need so much damn closure from movies these days. otherwise they automaticaly assume a sequel is being set up.

Michael Zaite
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« Reply #39 on: 11-28-2003 21:34 »
« Last Edit on: 11-28-2003 21:34 »

 
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Originally posted by mazaite:
 No it wasn't. Why do people always need so much damn closure from movies these days. otherwise they automaticaly assume a sequel is being set up.
It was calling for a Goddamn sequel and you know it.
 And it doesn't matter what you think because it was made into a trilogy and there's nothing you can do about it.
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