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« Reply #720 on: 02-12-2004 18:30 »

 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
 Look at the promo card, he's still being advertised as one regardless of the episode content...

WE ALREADY WROTE THAT PROMO CARDS ARE FOX'S DECISON.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN 50 TIME YEARS YOU WONT REMBER THE PROMO CARDS.

sorry for restoring to typing extensivley in capitals but no one getting that into there head.
If I'm wrong on this then I apoligise.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #721 on: 02-12-2004 18:36 »
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Fox being asses as usual then...

...And like I said before, he shouldn't even be in the frickin' episode in the first place. Regardless of episode content, it's the fact he's in it!...
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« Reply #722 on: 02-12-2004 19:11 »

I know its pretty pointless, its probably partly because of the amount of guest stars that people turned away from the show.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #723 on: 02-13-2004 01:52 »

Cowell said that Homer beats up his character in an interview.  However, remember that we don't know if that's in the final episode or what the context is.  Not neccasarily defending it, just saying not to judge it until we have more then a vague quote from Cowell.

And anyways, I think this one could actually end up seeming far less dated then some of those celebrites mentioned (including The Critic crossover).  He's not playing himself, so at least people don't have to know its a dated reference ten years down the line or whatever. 

Again, I don't like Cowell bein on the show, but this isn't really much different from Niles/Cecil or "Michael Jackson", and it also can't be more useless then appearances like Sting, Aerosmith, Paul McCartney, etc.
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« Reply #724 on: 02-13-2004 01:57 »

Who?
David A

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« Reply #725 on: 02-13-2004 02:28 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
He's not playing himself...

Don't be ridiculous.  Of course he's playing himself.  The character may have a different name and a different job, but it will still be him.  Cowell isn't a professional actor, so he really isn't qualified to play anyone but himself anyway.

 
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Again, I don't like Cowell bein on the show, but this isn't really much different from Niles/Cecil...

No, it's different, because that was clever, and David Hyde Pierce is entertaining.  This isn't so clever, and Simon Cowell isn't so entertaining.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #726 on: 02-13-2004 03:13 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Don't be ridiculous. Of course he's playing himself. The character may have a different name and a different job, but it will still be him. Cowell isn't a professional actor, so he really isn't qualified to play anyone but himself anyway.

Same goes with Michael Jackson/Leon Kompowski, and in that case they were far more blatant about it. 

Yeah, it'll be a parody of him, but that doesn't even mean it'll particularly come up in the episode.  And there certainly won't be a "wow, its Simon Cowell" moment.  Unlike all the "wow, its Michael Jackson" moments.  wink


 
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Originally posted by David A:
 No, it's different, because that was clever, and David Hyde Pierce is entertaining.  This isn't so clever, and Simon Cowell isn't so entertaining.


Opinions are opinions but I've never particularly cared for "Frasier".
And how do you know its "not so clever" in this case?  We haven't seen it yet.  Granted, perhaps what this episode parodies is more "flash in the pan", but we don't know that it won't at least be clever.

Either way, they are similar in concept, you cannot deny that.
David A

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« Reply #727 on: 02-13-2004 03:51 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
Opinions are opinions but I've never particularly cared for "Frasier".

You don't have to be a fan of Frasier to like David Hyde Pierce.  He's done a lot more than just one TV show, you know.

 
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And how do you know its "not so clever" in this case?  We haven't seen it yet.  Granted, perhaps what this episode parodies is more "flash in the pan", but we don't know that it won't at least be clever.

Having David Hyde Pierce play Sideshow Bob's brother was a clever idea.  Having Simon Cowell play a character who judges people and hurls insults is an obvious idea.

 
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Either way, they are similar in concept, you cannot deny that.

Not that similar.  Aside from the fact that David Hyde Pierce and Kelsey Grammer played brothers on both Frasier and The Simpsons, Cecil wasn't that much of a parody of Niles.  You don't think that Sideshow Bob is just a parody of Frasier, do you?

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
sheep555

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« Reply #728 on: 02-13-2004 06:26 »

To add to that - with Cecil The Simpsons writers willingly sent themselves up (some of them having worked on Frasier). But Simon Cowell is just...well...Simon Cowell.
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« Reply #729 on: 02-13-2004 06:43 »

Also, I think there's more of a correlation between "Fraiser" fans and "Simpsons" fans than between "American Idol" fans and "Simpsons" fans.

Please note that's not a slur on American Idol fans, just what I have observed.
leelaholic

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« Reply #730 on: 02-13-2004 09:30 »

This thread will end soon. We'll need a part 2.

"The Simpsons, season 15: Now with more flaming!"
Shadowstar

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« Reply #731 on: 02-13-2004 09:44 »

On this topic, I guess I'll list all the guest stars from season 10-on that were absolutely useless. (yes, I have lots of time on my hands) The other seasons were fine and the guest stars may have even made the episode BETTER which is what they were supposed to do! And I won't count the episodes centered around celebrities (like Mel Gibson).
USELESS!
Every guest star in "Sunday Cruddy Sunday": John Madden, Troy Aikman, Roosevelt Grier, Don Marino, Rupert Murdoch, Dolly Parton, Pat Summerall
Jack La Lanne ("The Old Man and the 'C' Student" )
Pat O'Brien and Nancy O'Dell ("Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder" )
Butch Patrick ("Eight Misbehavin'" )
Britney Spears ("The Mansion Family" ) (although when the oldest man in Springfield dies when she kisses him was great, the appearence just seemed so forced)
Kid Rock and Joe C. ("Kill the Alligator and Run"
Amy Tan ("Insane Clown Poppy" )
Leeza Gibbons ("Homer vs. Dignity" )
Venus and Serena Williams, Andre Agassi, Pete Sampras ("Tennis the Menace" )
*NSYNC ("New Kids on the Blecch" ) (once again, forced appearence)
Frankie Muniz ("Trilogy of Error" ) (FORCED, I hate him so much! A shame for such a great episode)
Jane Kaczmarek ("The Parent Rap" ) (more FORCING, since it costs less money since they're on the same network! WEE!)
R.E.M. ("Homer the Moe" )
Judith Owen ("The Blunder Years" )
Jane Kaczmarek... again. ("Brawl in the Family" )
James Lipton ("The Sweetest Apu" )
Carmen Electra ("The Frying Game" ) (WHY is she famous again?)
Jonathon Taylor Thomas ("Dude Where's My Ranch?" ) (DIE!)
Jackson Browne and Steve Buscemi ("Brake My Wife, Please" )
Evan Marriott and J.K. Rowling ("The Regina Monologues" )
Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen ("Diatribe of a Mad Housewife" )

Oh, looking around for upcoming eps, I found this synopsis for "The Wandering Juvie."
While at detention Bart has found a new girlfriend and she might be as bad as Bart!
Hello? Jessica Lovejoy? Hello? "Bart's Girlfriend"? Hello? IT'S BEEN DONE?
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« Reply #732 on: 02-13-2004 16:30 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
This thread will end soon. We'll need a part 2.

"The Simpsons, season 15: Now with more flaming!"

Maybe we need one for pointless hatred posts
and one for actual episode reviews.

I just saw Carjaker again I'm upgrading it from a 3.75/5 to a 4/5 (mainly for mona's jobs being a reader for the blind and listner for the deaf)
and I also saw 'The president wore pearls for the first time since I missed the first showing, and Thought it was a great episode
4.5/5 once again simpsons makes a musical heavy episode great, that takes some doing. I cant think of anything to complain about from it.
David A

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« Reply #733 on: 02-13-2004 16:54 »

 
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Originally posted by Shadowstar:
Amy Tan ("Insane Clown Poppy" )

But John Updike's appearance in the same episode was good, right?

 
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Jane Kaczmarek ("The Parent Rap" )

I thought that she was used really well, actually.

 
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Carmen Electra ("The Frying Game" ) (WHY is she famous again?)

Why is she famous?  Well, there are two reasons...

 
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Oh, looking around for upcoming eps, I found this synopsis for "The Wandering Juvie."
While at detention Bart has found a new girlfriend and she might be as bad as Bart!
Hello? Jessica Lovejoy? Hello? "Bart's Girlfriend"? Hello? IT'S BEEN DONE?

Stop saying hello.

I wish that they'd bring back Meryl Streep as Jessica Lovejoy.  She was probably my all time favorite guest star.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
leelaholic

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« Reply #734 on: 02-13-2004 17:49 »

Glen Close (Homer's mom), Joe Montaega (Fat Tony), and Kelsey Grammar (Sideshow Bob) are my favorites, but It's all relative.
boingo2000

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« Reply #735 on: 02-13-2004 17:54 »
« Last Edit on: 02-13-2004 17:54 »

[This post completly missed the point and so has been removed by the embarassed point-missing poster in question.]
Shadowstar

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« Reply #736 on: 02-13-2004 19:03 »
« Last Edit on: 02-13-2004 19:03 »

John Updike was pretty useless, but Krusty's line "Shut up Updike!" was great.
Also, a lot of the Season 5's are being reran around here, like "Homer Loves Flanders," "Lisa vs. Malibu Stacy" and "Homer and Apu." I now see how much better those episodes are than these new ones.
David A

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« Reply #737 on: 02-13-2004 19:06 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
Glen Close (Homer's mom), Joe Montaega (Fat Tony), and Kelsey Grammar (Sideshow Bob) are my favorites, but It's all relative.

I like all of those too.  I consider Sideshow Bob and Fat Tony to be recurring characters, but they were probably both intended to be one-shot characters when they first apeared.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #738 on: 02-14-2004 02:33 »
« Last Edit on: 02-14-2004 02:33 »

David A: Okay, to be fair, yeah, I don't really know what else Pierce has done, and can't judge what else he's done.  However, I think the Cecil thing was, in many ways, simply a parody of Frasier.  I wouldn't say every scene, but certainly much many of them (they even throw in that "Maris"? line in case it isn't obvious enough) and even most of the dialogue between Bob and Cecil really. As for Bob, no, he isn't merely a Frasier parody, although in many ways he becomes just that in "Brother From Another Series".  Heh, even the title makes the parody obvious.  I doubht its much more subtle then Cowell's bit will be.

Shadowstar: First off, we don't know if "Wandering Juvie" involves any kind of romantic interest on Bart's part (not saying there won't be, but I haven't seen anything that explicitely states it).  As far as I know, the idea is simply that they try to help each other escape, on the basis that they are both innocent (which Bart is), but the girl may not be....that's all we know.  From what I remember Bart learned of Jessica's less then sweet demeanor fairly early in the episode, whereas this may be more of something that develops throughout, maybe a mystery of sorts.  But again, we know hardly anything.

And anyway, a similar idea wouldn't bug me that much.  I don't want out and out rehashes, but I'm honestly fine with episodes having similar concepts if there's enough of a twist on each one.  People, even kids, can have multiple romances anyway, so it wouldn't really be that shocking to me for them to do it again, and the overall plot sounds like its at least a very new and distinct twist on the concept.

Somehow I have a feeling that if "Colonel Homer" or "The Last Temptation of Homer" premiered today everyone would be complaining about them.

"Wait, Homer nearly has an affair...AGAIN?  ITS BEEN DONE WRITERS!".   wink

EDIT: Also, I find it interesting that your "useless guest stars" list (which, mind you, I'm not saying I disagree with) includes far fewer Jean guests then Scully guests.  C'mon, you can do better then THAT.  wink
Guy

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« Reply #739 on: 02-14-2004 04:53 »

Phil Hartman was great....
Gorky

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« Reply #740 on: 02-14-2004 09:16 »

Yeah, I miss Phil Hartman and his characters (Lionel Hutz, Troy McClure).
Shadowstar

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« Reply #741 on: 02-14-2004 09:27 »

Who doesn't?
I guess you're right, DotheBartman, I shouldn't down on an episode until I see it. But it just all seems so familiar. But this "Bart falls in love with another girl w/ celebrity voice" has happened in "Bart's Girlfriend" with Meryl Streep and "The Bart Wants What It Wants" with Reese Witherspoon.
And also, there are other useless guest-stars, but they can be redeemed by a good line. Like Blink 182, they were pretty useless. But I love the line exchange, "Dude, let's trash this place." "After we get paid." "Niiiice."
leelaholic

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« Reply #742 on: 02-14-2004 18:18 »

Yes, but Tony Hawk was a good guest star.
Shadowstar

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« Reply #743 on: 02-14-2004 18:20 »

Eh, he wasn't so bad.
Hawk: Homer, you're heading for a wipeout! Do a 180 emotional olly!
...or something like that.
Gorky

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« Reply #744 on: 02-14-2004 18:41 »

That was one of his better lines in the episode. But, IMO, he didn't do much for the episode, and a generic skateboarding character probably would have worked just as well.
David A

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« Reply #745 on: 02-14-2004 18:54 »

I don't really like it when guest stars play themselves.  It's much better when they play characters, like Mindy Simmons, Homer's mom, Jessica Lovejoy, ect.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
Shadowstar

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« Reply #746 on: 02-14-2004 19:25 »

Agreed.
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« Reply #747 on: 02-14-2004 20:21 »

Yes but there actual actors so it makes sense for them to play characters, because there capable.
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« Reply #748 on: 02-14-2004 20:41 »

theres lots of lots of good guest star but Phil Hartman must god rest his soul  frown.
leelaholic

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« Reply #749 on: 02-14-2004 22:39 »

He must WHAT?

Anyway, Phil was da man. he will be missed.
Zleepy Head

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« Reply #750 on: 02-14-2004 23:33 »

he was the best
leelaholic

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« Reply #751 on: 02-14-2004 23:53 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
 
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By leelaholic
So all your claims that Jerk-ass Homer is a thing of the past just went right out the window?
What? It's no worse than strangling Bart. In fact, it's a lot better.

Umm... this is a squirrel. It's all smashed cuz the crazy neighbor man ran it over. He said it was an accident, but he's still pretty crazy. I think he moved away, but he keeps leaving weird drawings and stuff like this in my room. My dad thinks I'm doing it, and starts yelling at me to get a job.

-Squee
M0le

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« Reply #752 on: 02-15-2004 05:37 »

90% of America probably wants to beat up Simon Cowell. Living out the American dream.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #753 on: 02-15-2004 05:45 »

 
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Originally posted by M0le:
90% of America probably wants to beat up Simon Cowell. Living out the American dream.

It's not just Americans who want to beat the crap out of him...
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« Reply #754 on: 02-15-2004 09:38 »
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Originally posted by Teral:
   
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By leelaholic
So all your claims that Jerk-ass Homer is a thing of the past just went right out the window?
What? It's no worse than strangling Bart. In fact, it's a lot better.



What A disgrace Homer being mean to someone, he's supposed to be like Jesus and do everything perfectly right and be kind to everyone all the time. the simpsons is so shit how can you watch it its so awful and painfully bad your must be really stupid.

Seriously though apparently what happens is Homer basically just steps in when cowells character is mean to Maggie.

Is Homer actually allowed to do anything without people giving that stupid jerkass comment.
Gorky

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« Reply #755 on: 02-15-2004 09:43 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
I don't really like it when guest stars play themselves.  It's much better when they play characters, like Mindy Simmons, Homer's mom, Jessica Lovejoy, ect.


I agree. I really hate it when the only reason a guest star plays themselves on The Simpsons is because the crew can get a big hotshot on the show. I really think an episode like "Barting Over" would have been just as good (or bad) without the guest stars.
But, in an episode like "My Mother the Carjacker", the guest star enhances the show, and is not brought in as some kind of publicity stunt.

Shadowstar

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« Reply #756 on: 02-15-2004 09:50 »

I have to say, if Homer beats up Simon's character because he says mean comments to Maggie, that would be great of Homer to do so. It's not really Jerkass Homer, it's Caring-for-his-kids-and-sticking-it-to-the-man Homer.
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« Reply #757 on: 02-15-2004 09:59 »

I dont think It means literally beating him to a pulp if thats what people are thinking.
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« Reply #758 on: 02-15-2004 14:05 »
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This is going back a bit, but I don't think Steve Buscemi's guest appearance was terrible. I thought it was great, actually. Not their usual "Wow, it's _____". It was funny because Homer fantasized about a relatively obscure actor. How many people would know who Steve Buscemi is, if you asked them?
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« Reply #759 on: 02-15-2004 15:06 »
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You know, I thought the same thing about it. It's not like Homer met Steve Buscemi in the episode, it was just a dream sequence. It was also different from many guests spots because 80% of the people watching most likly don't know who he is, which I thought made it funny.
I completely agree with you.
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