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« Reply #40 on: 08-02-2001 16:26 »

 
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me neither...im not a "trekky" (however you spell it) myself

Hmmm...I reckon that if we started a thread on Ancient Babylonian Archetecture, you'd post a reply.   wink
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« Reply #41 on: 08-02-2001 16:32 »

oh...oh oh so thats what this is all about! see i read the threads in the wrong order...hehe i wondered why youd post about babylonian architecture...  tongue

man i love you guys! hehe  big grin
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« Reply #42 on: 08-03-2001 02:24 »

 
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Nix: When the Borg first showed up on TNG, they were this mysterious, unstoppable, mindless engine of destruction. People used to wet themselves at the mere mention of their name.

Then Voyager wimpified them. On TNG, one cube was able to destroy a good chunk of the fleet. On Voyager, they can't stand up to one little ship.

And the bounty hunter guys were the Breen. I loved how these guys just show up and start kicking ass and nobody knows anything about them....

Ninaka: Maybe I should start a Buffy topic?   confused


you're right!!! the borg were the ultimate killing machine. just to name them brought fear to everyone. and now in voyager they are nothing more like some teethless creatures...like a massmurderer on valium...to tired to care. i remember one voyager ep in which seven-of-nine was back with the borg and the voyager-crew saved her...they walk around in the middle of a borg-fleet just as if there are no borg anymore.....fuck voyager  up yours grrrrrrrr  mad long live the next generation!!!! and ds9!!! but voyager, no thanx  mad
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« Reply #43 on: 08-03-2001 02:33 »

Kryten: Nah that's okay... season is over, not much left to talk about - thanks anyway

FF: I used to be a trekky .. long time ago... but I don't remember much of what I watched, it was all midnight viewing anyway
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« Reply #44 on: 08-03-2001 15:37 »

my friends made me watch the Star Wars movies...im not hooked on it like them...i just liked Episode 1 cuz Ewan McGregor looked good in it  big grin
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« Reply #45 on: 08-04-2001 14:43 »

I liked TNG best but voyager was good.
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« Reply #46 on: 08-04-2001 21:49 »

 
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I liked TNG best but voyager was good.

For me to POOP on!

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« Reply #47 on: 08-05-2001 01:37 »

I admit that voyager was bad sometimes but it had some good episodes.
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« Reply #48 on: 08-05-2001 07:25 »

Star Wars is ridiculous... all those little animals running around, I don't know..

however on the other hand Star Trek never made sense - how all the "aliens" seemed to have human-like basics to their body form. Gee, Actors?  tongue
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« Reply #49 on: 08-05-2001 07:28 »

 
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Star Wars is ridiculous... all those little animals running around, I don't know..

however on the other hand Star Trek never made sense - how all the "aliens" seemed to have human-like basics to their body form. Gee, Actors?   tongue

there was a ep in tng which explains it like that: there was a race who spawned all races n the universe, that is why all species are humanoid. well or something in the way.

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« Reply #50 on: 08-05-2001 07:30 »

Hah...
Gee the writers are original, I can give them that
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« Reply #51 on: 08-09-2001 02:14 »
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yeah, and they get paid for making stuff like that up.
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« Reply #52 on: 08-09-2001 20:48 »

 
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 For me to POOP on!


we need Triumph the dog back!!!!!!  tongue

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« Reply #53 on: 08-09-2001 22:09 »

No we don't, that thing was funny for the first 3 or 4 minutes then it got old, repetitive and boring.
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« Reply #54 on: 08-09-2001 22:35 »

yeah but petco shouldnt have sued then...tsk tsk tsk
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« Reply #55 on: 04-24-2002 19:09 »

How do you guys like enterprise so far?

This should be under its got tv, should it not?

Sorry just reading old threads.
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« Reply #56 on: 04-24-2002 19:18 »

Best films:

1 The Voyage Home
2The Motion Picture
3 The Wrath of Kahn
4 First Contact
5 The Search for Spock
6 The Undiscovered Country
7 The Final Frontier
8 Insurrection
9 Generations

And now the best Series:
1 Deep Space Nine
2 The Next Generation
3 Star Trek
4 Enterprise
5 The Animated Series
6 The Saturday Night Live spoof
7 Me playing Star Trek in the school playground when I was a kid.
8 V... V... V... I CAN'T SAY IT!  I CAN'T SAY IT!
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« Reply #57 on: 04-24-2002 19:56 »

      I thought wrote this somewhere else, but here goes.

      Movies:

      1: "First Contact"
      2: "Wrath Of Khan"
      3: The Undiscovered Country"
      4: "The Voyage Home" (hey, it's knocked up a notch. BAM!)
      5: "Insurection"
      6: "The Motion Picture"
      7: "Generations" (Insert displeased grunt here)
      8: "The Search For Spock" (Insert displeased mourn here)
      9: "The Final Frontier" (Worst Trek ever)

    And now series:

      1: DS9
      2: DS9
      3: DS9
      4: DS9
      5: TNG
      6: TOS
      7: TAS
      8: V'Ger (Insert horrified shriek here)

    Once I've seen some of Enterprise, it'll probably knock V'Ger down to 9.

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    « Reply #58 on: 04-24-2002 19:57 »

    why is everyone down on voyager?
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    « Reply #59 on: 04-24-2002 20:47 »

    I am not that big of a Trekkie, I like to divide my time with different shows. Here is how I rate the top 9 somewhat serious sci-fi shows of the 90's (warning contains anime)

    1.Babylon 5-Space Opera: Not sure why but I like the way the show felt, it was like reading a novel. Plus it had amazing characters

    2.Crest of the Stars- Anime Space Opera:, even more novel like then Babylon 5, but not as large of a cast, the Abh (the alien race in the series) were very well developed.

    3. Neon Genesis Evangelion- Psychological study / action / anime: well done characters and complex plot with some creative designs for the Angels and the Mechs.

    4. Farscape- Space Opera?: Very fun show, sometimes a little over the top but has great characters and isnít afraid to take risks.

    5. Serial Experiments Lain- Cyberpunk Anime: The best adaptation of anything cyberpunk I have seen, although it can get a little tedious at times

    6. DS9- Space Opera: Great character developments, dark, when another show came out that could of out did them they changed their format to become more story oriented instead of just ripping plot lines like another Star-Trek series that will remain nameless, this made 2 great Scifi TV series.

    7. X-Files conspiracy/paranormal: Season 1-4 very good, well written TV some amazing episodes and well thought out characters and stories, after season 6 show went into crapper havenít seen it in years

    8. Trigun: Wild West/Space anime: Like the characters (see a theme) plot has a very interesting progression through the series.

    9. TNG: I am not sure why but I do not find this series that interesting, never really got into it that much

    I didnít list series I didnít like, like Dark Angel, Voyager, Enterprise (saw one episode, was nothing but the same old Voyager esq Trek with baseball caps), Andromeda etc
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    « Reply #60 on: 04-24-2002 21:40 »
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    I saw Lain. It was pretty dull. I dunno, maybe I just couldn't get into it.  Cool theme song though.

    Enjoyed Trigun far more. That series has major entertainment value. Calling it a sci-fi western is like calling Monty Python And the Holy Grail a "medieval spoof".
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    « Reply #61 on: 04-24-2002 21:58 »
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    To boldly go . . .

    . . . to the TV thread!
    Kryten

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    « Reply #62 on: 04-24-2002 22:28 »

    Beat me to it.
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    « Reply #63 on: 04-25-2002 08:42 »

    Best baddies:
    -Borg
    -Breen
    -Jem'Hadar
    -Romulans

    These really annoy me, because of the awful make-up and characteristics:
    -the Ferengi
    -the Vorta
    -the Founders (what do they think they are? life size barbie dolls? Shop window dummies?)
    -almost all the Delta Quadrant races

    First Contact was the best Trek movie.

    I hate it when the story is about some fantasy/religious/spiritual subject.  That means: Generations and all the Bajoran religion eps from DS9.

    Also, I think you can't compare Star Trek and Star Wars.  Star Trek is more like sci-fi, and Star Wars is more like fantasy or a fairy tale.
    PCC Fred

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    « Reply #64 on: 04-25-2002 09:03 »
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    Why is everyone down on Voyager?  asks Langly.

    1: It's shit
    2: See above
    3: They take someone sexy like Jeri Ryan, and turn her into this annoying bitch.
    4: Janeway's annoying voice and psychotic personality.
    5: The fragging Kazon
    6: Turning the Borg from feared villians into wusses.  In TNG one Borg ship destroys a huge fleet of starships, on Voyager Janeway's crumbled more cubes than the OXO mum.
    7: Kes and Neelix
    8: Chakotay's reduction from ex-Maquis first officer to Janeway's yes man
    9: Overuse of the same plots.  "Endgame" is a total rip-off of "Timeless" with another poxy Borg battle thrown in for good measure.  Was there ANY point during the final episode where you think "Oh God, they're not going to make it!"?
    10: When TNG finished in 1994, Star Trek was the king of sci-fi.  BY the time Voyager finished in 2001, Star Trek had become the laughing stock of the sci-fi community.
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    « Reply #65 on: 04-25-2002 09:03 »
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    Also, I think you can't compare Star Trek and Star Wars.  Star Trek is more like sci-fi, and Star Wars is more like fantasy or a fairy tale.

    Nah, Star Wars is watchable. That's the difference.   tongue
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    « Reply #66 on: 04-25-2002 12:39 »

    I enjoy all the Star Trek series that I've seen, DS9 most, but I prefer Babylon 5 and Farscape.
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    « Reply #67 on: 04-25-2002 12:40 »

     
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     Nah, Star Wars is watchable. That's the difference.    tongue

    Don't make me go upside yo' head.
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    « Reply #68 on: 04-27-2002 11:14 »
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    I liked DS9 more.

    I remember watching reruns of "Space 1999", but my sister thought it sucked and she wanted to see Star Trek: TNG. By coincidence, it was aired the same time on another station. So I started watching that instead.

    WOO! YAY! exactly halfway to captain  big grin
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    « Reply #69 on: 04-28-2002 01:51 »
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    I like Voyager.  Despite Janeway's less-testicularly-oriented, let's-negotiate-rather-than-blast-the-crap-out-of-it-and-run-for-home style of captaining, I thought she was a capable leader.  The only other failings of the show were the sheer number of times Janeway died and the addition of Naomi Wildman to the cast (Wesley Crusher-esque, don't you think?).  A lot of the character interactions were also entertaining in their essence, particularly Neelix and Tuvok.  Maybe it's just me, but I prefer the Intrepid-class look of Voyager to the classic Galaxy-class.  The Delta Quadrant had its share of not-to-be-messed-with baddies: the Borg-thrashing Species 8472, the Hirogan hunters, the organ-harvesting Vidiians, and the history-erasing Krenim.  The Kazon (Ogla, Nistrom, or whatever) were a really pathetic enemy (they didn't even have replicators).
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    « Reply #70 on: 04-28-2002 06:16 »

     
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    I like Voyager.  Despite Janeway's less-testicularly-oriented, let's-negotiate-rather-than-blast-the-crap-out-of-it-and-run-for-home style of captaining, I thought she was a capable leader.  The only other failings of the show were the sheer number of times Janeway died and the addition of Naomi Wildman to the cast (Wesley Crusher-esque, don't you think?).  A lot of the character interactions were also entertaining in their essence, particularly Neelix and Tuvok.  Maybe it's just me, but I prefer the Intrepid-class look of Voyager to the classic Galaxy-class.  The Delta Quadrant had its share of not-to-be-messed-with baddies: the Borg-thrashing Species 8472, the Hirogan hunters, the organ-harvesting Vidiians, and the history-erasing Krenim.  The Kazon (Ogla, Nistrom, or whatever) were a really pathetic enemy (they didn't even have replicators).

    Most of the aliens in Voyager do look pathetic.  Like the Kazon: really bad Klingon imitators with out of date technology   puke The first seasons weren't worth seeing.
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    I also think the design of Voyager could have been better, like the Akira or Steamrunner class, seen in ST: First Contact and various DS 9 eps.
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    « Reply #71 on: 04-28-2002 06:18 »

    I also have a question.  WHY of prequels? 
    Star Wars, ST: Enterprise, etc.

    After hearing of S.W.: Episode 1, a prequel, I thought: Oh shit, if this is the latest development( in sci-fi and other genres, even in computergames, like Tomb Raider.) then they 'll do this to Star Trek too.  I was right, even before even hearing of the latest series. Though, I thought this series would take place in the timeline after the original series, not before. I thought George Takei, Mr Sulu, would be the main character.
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    « Reply #72 on: 04-28-2002 12:44 »

    If they really wanted to do something memorable, they'd do a Section 31 series. It's Trek, without the gooey moral center.
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    « Reply #73 on: 04-28-2002 14:57 »

    I enjoyed Voyager, although not on the level I enjoyed DS9 or TNG.  It was fun, but not especially deep for me.
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    « Reply #74 on: 04-28-2002 16:03 »

     
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    If they really wanted to do something memorable, they'd do a Section 31 series. It's Trek, without the gooey moral center.

    Yeah Section 31 ruled.  I bet they had superior and even illegal technology, like Phased Cloaking devices and stuff.

    Think of it.  The Romulans have their Tal Shiar, the Cardassians had the Obsidian Order.
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    « Reply #75 on: 04-28-2002 19:30 »

     
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    I like Voyager.  Despite Janeway's less-testicularly-oriented, let's-negotiate-rather-than-blast-the-crap-out-of-it-and-run-for-home style of captaining, I thought she was a capable leader.  The only other failings of the show were the sheer number of times Janeway died and the addition of Naomi Wildman to the cast (Wesley Crusher-esque, don't you think?).  A lot of the character interactions were also entertaining in their essence, particularly Neelix and Tuvok.  Maybe it's just me, but I prefer the Intrepid-class look of Voyager to the classic Galaxy-class.  The Delta Quadrant had its share of not-to-be-messed-with baddies: the Borg-thrashing Species 8472, the Hirogan hunters, the organ-harvesting Vidiians, and the history-erasing Krenim.  The Kazon (Ogla, Nistrom, or whatever) were a really pathetic enemy (they didn't even have replicators).

    Yeah, the Krenim were cool. Because the writers actually took the effort to invest some personality into the two leaders of the timeship. That double episode was one of V'gers best (although they did press the "Mother Of All Reset Buttons" in the end  wink).

    The Viidians was nice, the Hirogen was acceptable. Species 8472, meh, not the best part of that two-parter.

    The main problem with V'ger was the lack of continuity. Very few actions had long-term  or even short-term impact on the characters development or the ships fate. Heavy damages was repaired magically from episode to episode, none of Janeway's bad command decisions was ever touched upon, etc. The only characters who ever grew and changed was Seven and the Doctor. Well, that's my main beefs with the show: continuity out the window. Pity, V'ger started out with such potential.

    Damn, I showed my nerdiness again. Arh, too late it's already written.

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    « Reply #76 on: 04-29-2002 00:27 »

     
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    ...Heavy damages was repaired magically from episode to episode, none of Janeway's bad command decisions was ever touched upon, etc. The only characters who ever grew and changed was Seven and the Doctor.

    Yeah, if the ship was too heavily damaged or a main character died, you could always count on a temporal "Hail Mary" to bail them out.  Other than the initial decision to destroy the first Caretaker's array, I can't think of any other bad command decisions Janeway made.  Seven and the Doctor did seem to be the only characters who changed, but they changed so much more than the other characters.
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    « Reply #77 on: 04-29-2002 00:42 »

    I just know it's a good thing they have the resources to build not one, but TWO Delta Flyers.
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    « Reply #78 on: 04-29-2002 19:12 »

    Now let's slag off Berman and Braga's treatment of the Vulcans.

    During original Trek, the Vulcans were a very dignified people.  During the TNG, DS9 and VOY years, this changed to them being anal and uptight, and they were always the butt of evryone else's jokes ie "Tuvok, has anyone ever told you you're a real freakosaurus?"

    Now we've got Enterprise, the Vulcans are as uptight and snooty as they've been for the past fifteen years, with some open hostility thrown in for good measure.
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    « Reply #79 on: 04-29-2002 20:28 »

    First contact sucked, they reworte a load of Star Trek history in that film.
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