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Beamer
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I just saw Moe Baby Blues a few days ago, and I have to admit it was better than I expected. It had quite a few laugh-out-loud moments, and the character development betweeen Maggie and Moe, 2 underused characters, was just plain sweet. Even though it had some crappy "new Simpsons" style jokes, I think it was good enough to keep it's head above water, although it still doesn't make up for the 19-or-so shit episodes that Season 14 has produced. Still, if Season 15 has more episodes like this, it might be something to look forward to (because I have spent the past 3 years just DREADING the upcoming seasons).
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CyberKnight
Urban Legend
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Thanks, DtB. Just popped into town today and picked up my S3 DVDs. I'm pleasantly suprised just how many episodes I regard as "classic" are in this set. I think only S4 tops it. However, I have one quibble. The producers have regularly said that the DVDs are delayed because they're spending time on the current show, which I could understand if it were one of the earlier seasons. But I think it's good for them to be watching the earlier episodes, just to go back and see what made the show so popular in the first place. Of course, my suggestion for the show (which, I'll admit, is slightly extreme), would be to put the show on hiatus (the real meaning of hiatus, not the FOX definition) for a year, just to catch up and collect a lot of good plots. One of the things I feel happens at the moment is you get a few really good moments, but they tend to be diluted (this is a problem which plagues other shows, especially Star Trek, as well). Of course, if Season 15 turns out well, I'll probably be mincing my words.
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User_names_suck
Professor
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well they've wathced season 3. I Think they realise its different, but jean does say, its really hard to come up with simple stories now.
even though simpsons has declined i'd still prefer it to go on, i dont think it ruins previous episodes for me like it might in live action. also, i find it hard to imagine life without simpsons, i was born the same year as the shorts on the tracey ullman show.
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CyberKnight
Urban Legend
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« Reply #169 on: 11-14-2003 18:31 »
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Oh, I don't think it's quite reached the stage yet where it needs to be totally cancelled. But I feel the mark of a truly great show (and not just a great show) is knowing when to exit the stage. TNG (and, I'm guessing DS9 fans would argue, DS9 ) both ended after 7 seasons, despite their ratings remaining strong, because the writers and producers made a concious decision to do so. Voyager, on the other hand, just kept going and going and basically didn't know when to quit, and for the last couple of seasons it certainly felt like they were gasping for the last episodes. I'd just hate for The Simpsons to go down as the show that really didn't know when to stop. Now that I know a little more about Jean I've certainly got higher hopes for the next seasons; who knows, we could just be experiencing a blip in quality, as others have said. "Moe Baby Blues" was a fair enough episode. They just need to squeeze in a few more jokes per episode that don't rely on toilet/sexual humour. Personally I think they need to include Maggie a bit more in the show, especially her relationship with her siblings. We're pretty up to speed on Homer/Bart, Homer/Lisa, Marge/Bart, Marge/Lisa, Marge/Maggie and Homer/Maggie, but there hasn't really been an episode dealing with how Lisa and Bart respond to their younger sister. We got a few interactions in the earlier seasons (mostly I'm thinking of "Seperate Vocations" and "Homer Defined" (HD is rapidly becoming one of my firm favourites, by the way )). I'm not suggesting an entire season devoted to Maggie, or even an entire episode, necessarily, but I think one of the show's weak points during the latter seasons is the ignorance of her. It would certainly be a writing achievement to make an episode revolving around a silent character work (I think "A Streetcar Named Marge" did a pretty good job of this, with the B plot, actually). Obviously it's not going to solve the shows problems overnight simply by reintegrating an overlooked character, but I think it might help. Another thing I rather like about the earlier seasons is the way that a small part of the first act is sometimes totally unconnected with the rest of the plot (namely the parodies we talked about before). I think these were fun and they tended to set the pace of the episode, so I miss them. As for "wackiness", personally I feel it should be restricted purely to dreams/fantasy. In fact, maybe the entire of S10-13 should be declared a dream ). My personal threshold for how wacky something should be allowed to be before going too far in the Simpsons "reality" is this: if it's possible to do it, given enough money, then it can probably remain (for example, the National Fatherhood Institute in "Saturdays of Thunder" is entirely implausible, but given enough money you could do it), but if it's physically impossible (like, say, Homer being eviscarated by a racoon *shudder*), then I feel it doesn't belong. Finally, as I've said, I do appreciate that Jean is trying to bring the show back to more familiar (no pun intended ) grounds, and I think he is succeeding. Certainly the plots of S14 were much less outlandish than those of S13. All he needs to do now is start filling the episodes with a bit more humour, in my opinion.
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User_names_suck
Professor
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I've come to a decison, that the simpsons should go on long enough for john swartzwelder to write 100 episodes, he's up to about 65 at the moment just another 9 seasons should do it
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Professor
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regarding structure and b storys the reason, it got to a point where you have like a 5 minute, pretty irrerlevant story that eventually ties, into the main plot is due to time, according to al jean fox added more commercials so it cut the runtime of the show, so the irrelervant 5 minutes is the substitute for that,so i dont think its something about the show to pick on. And by the way they had done it before, such as in the episode radio bart, in fact a lot of shows under jean and reiss seemed to have that kind of almost irrelervant opening
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User_names_suck
Professor
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yeah i said that but forgot about the 6:30pm part
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leelaholic
Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #181 on: 11-21-2003 08:37 »
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TPWP was definitely excellent I mean, that "Skinner's Plan" song was downright catchy. Skinner: I'm so happy with my evil plan. Say goodbye to Music, Gym, and Art. Soon we'll have a perfect school where fun and excitment never startWillie: I'm so drunk I can barely see but it helps me through another day. My stomach is full of haggis and hurt. I have to go puke in the hay.Bart: Lisa is a fool!Skinner: I think that rules are cool!Willie: I've fallen in the pool! I think that this just may replace "You can't stop The Simpsons" from Gump Roast as my favorite song in the show! Both are excellent, though.
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Plutonia
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I liked it the fist eight seasons, but after that, the show started to go downhill.
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User_names_suck
Professor
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« Reply #190 on: 11-27-2003 16:42 »
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It wasn't just Groeing era 1-2 was the Matt Groening, Sam Simon and Jim Brooks era 3-4 was the Al Jean and Mike Reiss era 5-6 was David Mirkin 7-8 was Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstien 9-12 was Mike Scully era and 13 and onwards has been Al jean again
does anyone now how they employ writers, is it the decison of the showrunners are they just dumped in by fox or what
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DotheBartman
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Originally posted by User_names_suck: It wasn't just Groeing era 1-2 was the Matt Groening, Sam Simon and Jim Brooks era 3-4 was the Al Jean and Mike Reiss era 5-6 was David Mirkin 7-8 was Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstien 9-12 was Mike Scully era and 13 and onwards has been Al jean again
does anyone now how they employ writers, is it the decison of the showrunners are they just dumped in by fox or what A lot of writers leave to work on other projects, or to take a break from writing, or whatever. Some come back as well. But yes, there really wasn't a true "Groening era". He hasn't had much to do with The Simpsons since season three or so, and in fact Sam Simon was apparently the main man running the show in the first two seasons.
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User_names_suck
Professor
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i know its just teeside inc made a statment as if he was actually saying something of any value (no offence) and so i just wanted to point that out.
according to mike reiss jim brooks was quite valuable as well, on the occasion he wasn't actually busy he would just have so many ideas, and he would tell them as if he was qouting something he'd seen on tv last night.
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Thegenderbender
Poppler
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Well i think Series 15 is brilliant! The Treehouse of Horror XIV thrashed XIII and Homer's Mum coming back wuz a great idea and the Evita spoof wuz good and them going to England! hope More eps of S15 R THis good!
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User_names_suck
Professor
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i think they've all been season 14 holdovers so far
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User_names_suck
Professor
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« Reply #196 on: 11-29-2003 19:55 »
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who said she was
anyway here's another question, if someone still reading this thread how many more simpsons seasons do you think there will be
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David A
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc: But Lisa Simpson is not a annoying PC Thug. She isn't usually, but in some episodes she sure is. Originally posted by User_names_suck: anyway here's another question, if someone still reading this thread how many more simpsons seasons do you think there will be As many as they can possibly make. Face it, people will keep watching The Simpsons for as long as Fox continues to make it. The Simpsons probably will keep going until one of the main voice actors wants to call it quits. Or dies.
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User_names_suck
Professor
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc: The Simpsons needs better Writers in Season 15 and stop treating Lisa Simpson like a big piece of garbage because the show has gong downhill. At the time you wrote that only one episode of season 15 had aired, which was the treehous of horror XIV as i write now the 2nd ep2 my mother the carjacker aired. there hasn't been lisa bashing for ages, the point of those jokes are that Homer is stupid and stopped beliving in anything, yet he's telling his daugter off for having ideals. the show stopped going downhill its improving again
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