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PEE Poll: Derren Brown Play Russian Roulette fake or real?
It's real!   -4 (33.3%)
It's fake!   -7 (58.3%)
It's television, not real and not fake   -0 (0%)
I don't know!!!!!   -1 (8.3%)
Total Voters: 12

Juutje2111

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« on: 10-05-2003 18:13 »

I posted it in offtopic items, but it doesn't belong there, so I'll post it here again:

I just saw the show, I don't know if you saw it? It's about Derren Brown (a guy I never heard off till today, he's famous in the UK) and he plays Russian Roulette, for real, I'm not kiddin'. It was live on RTL4 here and in the UK on channel4.
I saw it with my boyfriend just about 15 minutes ago, it was so scary, I'm totally confused. I don't know if it was real or not. That's why I included suggestion 3: It was television, not the reality and it wasn't fake either, else I couldn't live with it, it's so totally confusing...

davids

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« Reply #1 on: 10-06-2003 02:28 »

In my opinion there is very few if any ways to cheat and last night was one of the best tv moments of the year.
winna

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« Reply #2 on: 10-06-2003 03:08 »

In reality he should've played the double barreled shotgun form of Russian Roulette...  Only one of the barrels is loaded with a shell  wink

Anyways whoever posted that crap about Derren Brown having real ESP and not being allowed in casinos is full of... well crap.  He's not allowed because he can obviously CHEAT; afterall magic is only another word for lying  big grin

And marg (from the other poll that this one is from) don't be downtalkin the ghosts!
sheep555

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« Reply #3 on: 10-06-2003 04:44 »
« Last Edit on: 10-06-2003 04:44 »

I've said before I know him from my school (friend of my teacher), and most of the stuff he does is faked (but faked well - that's the magic of it). But he can gain information from your facial expressions and body language - effectively "read you mind" (he's guessed by mothers maiden name simply by looking at me). Before turning to mind control, he used to be a regular magician. There's an infamous incident at my school where he gave a lecture and hypnotised the old headmaster (he wasn't asked back for some time)
mikey

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« Reply #4 on: 10-06-2003 04:57 »

I dont think any of these guys are real....
Tweek

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« Reply #5 on: 10-06-2003 05:17 »

It might have been real, apparently it wasn't quite live, there was a few seconds delay so they could cut it if it went wrong.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #6 on: 10-06-2003 05:38 »

I didn't watch the Russian Roulette thing because I knew how it was gonna end, and even if he did screw up then it would be shown on every news programme in the next 48 hours anyways so I wouldn't miss much.

 Strip away the hype and look at the possible outcomes and you basically have the most overrated show of the year.
MuscaDomestica

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« Reply #7 on: 10-06-2003 06:42 »

He is a Magician... plain and simple.

If he says he has special powers then he is the worst type of magician. I am surprised that some American ones spoke out against him. I know Penn and Teller hate guys like that.
Juutje2111

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« Reply #8 on: 10-06-2003 10:16 »
« Last Edit on: 10-06-2003 10:16 »

That's what I find so interesting about him. He's not saying he's a magician, he's saying he uses psycology to prodict peoples actions. That's what he's saying. And I DO believe in that. If you saw the show, you must admit that is what he does and that it IS real.

If I'm honest with myself I think it was real, because he was so damn scared and you can't fake that, can you?

But I wouldn't want to be the one who puts the bullet in the gun...

Edit: I just read your post in the other thread and I totally disagree with you Zoidberg MD, cause it is television history. It was never done before, do you understand what that means? Any channel would show it! Offcourse they would, who wouldn't? If it goes wrong, it goes wrong.
And he said that he was 90% sure that he could prodict where that guy would put the bullet.

@M Jackson: His show starts next week here in the Nethelands, I can't wait to see what he can do. It's very interesting.
planetcutie

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« Reply #9 on: 10-06-2003 11:07 »

 
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Edit: I just read your post in the other thread and I totally disagree with you Zoidberg MD, cause it is television history. It was never done before, do you understand what that means? Any channel would show it! Offcourse they would, who wouldn't? If it goes wrong, it goes wrong.

There are good reasons why it's never been done before.  If it was 'real', it was tasteless and exploitative.  It it was 'fake', then it was taking the viewers for chumps.


"Leela, there's nothing wrong with anything."
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« Reply #10 on: 10-06-2003 13:19 »

 
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Originally posted by Juutje2111:
That's what I find so interesting about him. He's not saying he's a magician, he's saying he uses psycology to prodict peoples actions. That's what he's saying. And I DO believe in that. If you saw the show, you must admit that is what he does and that it IS real.

If I'm honest with myself I think it was real, because he was so damn scared and you can't fake that, can you?

But I wouldn't want to be the one who puts the bullet in the gun...

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i totally agree with you there.

i thought the whole idea was a bit pointless
and stupid, i quite respected him after seeing his t.v series in the u.k. so i thought it was a shame he'd do something like this.
well anyway its a lot more intresting than david blaines stunt

MelBee

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« Reply #11 on: 10-06-2003 13:23 »

Yes, it was real, the man has a solid faith in his abilities, and with good reason, as he's an expert at what he does - which isn't 'reading people's minds', it's reading the indicators they give off. Anyone who's seen his show will agree it's pretty impressive.
Bio

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« Reply #12 on: 10-06-2003 13:47 »

 
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Originally posted by MuscaDomestica:
He is a Magician... plain and simple.

If he says he has special powers then he is the worst type of magician. I am surprised that some American ones spoke out against him. I know Penn and Teller hate guys like that.
he is not a magician, he is a psychic

If I had a signature then no one would ever read it,but i do have one thing to say:long live mashed potatoes,Pork chops, and cabbages everywhere!!!
Melllvar

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« Reply #13 on: 10-06-2003 13:49 »

I didn't see the show, but that's all people have been talking about all day.  From what I've heard it was pretty impressive, but I'll wait until I've seen it for myself, really.
User_names_suck
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« Reply #14 on: 10-06-2003 13:52 »

 
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Originally posted by Bio:
 
Quote
Originally posted by MuscaDomestica:
He is a Magician... plain and simple.

If he says he has special powers then he is the worst type of magician. I am surprised that some American ones spoke out against him. I know Penn and Teller hate guys like that.
he is not a magician, he is a psychic



he's not a psychic its all pschological
there's a diffrence i'm sure of it
Ky12wng

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« Reply #15 on: 10-06-2003 19:22 »

 
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Originally posted by Juutje2111:
I posted it in offtopic items, but it doesn't belong there, so I'll post it here again:

I just saw the show, I don't know if you saw it? It's about Derren Brown (a guy I never heard off till today, he's famous in the UK) and he plays Russian Roulette, for real, I'm not kiddin'. It was live on RTL4 here and in the UK on channel4.
I saw it with my boyfriend just about 15 minutes ago, it was so scary, I'm totally confused. I don't know if it was real or not. That's why I included suggestion 3: It was television, not the reality and it wasn't fake either, else I couldn't live with it, it's so totally confusing...


I played russian roulette once with a few of my friends, but we only used my bro's pop gun.

ok, back ontopic. I have no idea, I'm usually not ontop of stuff anyway. But i've heard of people actually playing russian roulette before.
Squeezit

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« Reply #16 on: 10-06-2003 23:07 »

Hahahaha, I was sitting here wondering how the heck my post got deleted and didn't realize this was a new topic.

Anyway--when russian roulette is played and the person playing it wins--the rest of humanity is the real loser.

That is all.
Fryday

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« Reply #17 on: 10-07-2003 13:16 »

It's guaranteed to be fake, they can't show a person getting shot live on television.
aslate

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« Reply #18 on: 10-07-2003 13:40 »

It wasn't 100% live, there was a few second delay in which they could cut transmission if they needed to.

Squeezit, you're not a winner in Russian roulette, you're just not a loser.
Ka-Boom

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« Reply #19 on: 10-07-2003 16:43 »

I diddnt actually see it myself but from what I've heard it sounds a though it could be quite easily faked.
Juutje2111

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« Reply #20 on: 10-07-2003 18:13 »

I don't know how it could be faked. I know the gun was real, they showed that and they couldn't have replaced it. Ik don't know if the bullet was real or not. But if it wasn't (you use the term blanks for it) then it would have been equally deadly, because the distance between the gun and the head was so small.

Then there is the chance that IF it was fake the guy (I believe his name was James) who put the bullet in the gun had planned this with Derren and he put it in the slot (how do you call it)they agreed on.
But then you really had to trust each other, I mean: what if James was a psycho who wanted to kill Derren? Then he would put the bullet in another slot and Derren would be killed.

So, my conclusion is that this man can predict someone's behavior and can easily tell were the bullet was by the couting James did, because he practiced on that for months with cups:
He would stand on the street with a table and 6 cups and let someone put a bracelet under one of the cups (he was not looking offcourse), then he would let them count till six and he knew were the bracelet was.

So: I believe it was real, but that's just sick. And I think they would have shown it if he was killed, why wouldn't they? They showed the bodies of 9-11, they showed the bodies of the war in Irak, they show everything these days. They're sick...
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #21 on: 10-07-2003 18:28 »

Why is that sick?
aslate

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« Reply #22 on: 10-07-2003 18:57 »

Ahem, they may have showed the bodies but they did not show them being killed live on TV with a perfect view of the exploding brain.

It's exactly the same skills as he was practicing in the street so i don't see why he'd need to fake it as he can do it anyway.
Tweek

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« Reply #23 on: 10-08-2003 04:15 »

Did he wait for the chamber to stop spinning before closing it? If so assuming the pistol was properly oiled gravity would ensure that the bullet was at the bottom.
aslate

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« Reply #24 on: 10-08-2003 11:57 »

I don't think they spun the chamber.
Juutje2111

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« Reply #25 on: 10-13-2003 09:06 »

He turned it around, didn't spin it...
Mr.Nintendo

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« Reply #26 on: 10-13-2003 15:16 »

Notice how when he shot a round at the sandbag in the barn to prove it was real, you saw a shot with him shooting the gun with the sandbag out of view, then a shot of the sandbag with a hole in it. They could have easily used a charge in the sandbag and blanks made to look like real bullets.
Lt. Kroker

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« Reply #27 on: 10-13-2003 15:19 »

I thought it had been admitted by the police or something that it was all fake. Did I imagine that?
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« Reply #28 on: 10-13-2003 15:25 »

i think it was claimed by the police
in an attempt to put off imitators.

the thing is he's pretty sure in himself
so if he was unsure he probably just wouldn't have done it
Juutje2111

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« Reply #29 on: 10-13-2003 17:49 »

@Mr. Nintendo, you didn't see the show, because then you would have known that blanks could kill you from the distance that he was shooting from. So if he was shooting blanks, he would have been killed anyway.

I asked someone with experience with guns and it's all true, blanks CAN kill you!
Mr.Nintendo

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« Reply #30 on: 10-14-2003 15:16 »

 
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Originally posted by Juutje2111:
@Mr. Nintendo, you didn't see the show, because then you would have known that blanks could kill you from the distance that he was shooting from. So if he was shooting blanks, he would have been killed anyway.

I asked someone with experience with guns and it's all true, blanks CAN kill you!

In fact i did watch the show, and i did see the part where the anonymous arms trainer demonstrated how deadly a blank could be at close range. I was just pointing out how they could have faked the shot at the sandbag to prove it was a real bullet
SwanMan3000

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« Reply #31 on: 10-18-2003 06:39 »

i think that james didnt put the bullet in the gun at all.
I think they just used one of those hollywood exploding thingy that was already in the bag.

-They wouldnt have shown it if it was real and he did shoot himself. They had every right to show the dead bodys of people in Iraq. It shows what exactly we are doing to innocent people for oil.

-I liked Derren Brown before as well, but i dont like him any less for what he did. Derren Brown wasnt really getting the publicity he deserved, now he is.
catindisguise

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« Reply #32 on: 10-18-2003 06:44 »

Didn't anyone hear on the news??? That bullet WAS a blank. If he had hit himself in the head, it would have hurt but not killed him. They had an enquiry after. On an entirley unrealted matter, David Blane is coming out tomorrow.....
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