DrThunder88
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« Reply #40 on: 09-22-2003 17:04 »
« Last Edit on: 09-22-2003 17:04 »
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Originally posted by CyberKnight: I wouldn't have them killed, but I would cancel the show . Final episode: Matt Groening's cartoon persona walks around Springfield apologizing and blowing away characters with a shotgun. Groening: Oh god, is that what Homer has become? I'm so sorry, folks. *rack-rack* *boom*
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Nurdbot
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Who wouldn't.
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Squeedleklotch
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Originally posted by DotheBartman: You don't need to kill off characters like Gil. Just drop them. Gil hasn't even appeared in about a year, so why complain?
All the complaints about Homer being mischaracterized would be very valid...if it were still somewhere in 1999-2001 right now.
As for killing off Lisa...why? She's one of the best characters on the show. Maybe not in 1999-2001, but everyone sucked then.
Anyways, you death-happy people will be getting your wish, sorta. Someone is going to die this upcoming season, and I think I know who it is..... Which episode is someone going to die in? And who do you think's going to die (put it in spoilers if you're postive that's who's going to die; me and the show have sort of gone seperate ways so it won't ruin the death much for me)
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DotheBartman
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I don't KNOW who's going to die or which episode. But based on common logic and some "hints" from an insider: There is an episode, already confirmed, coming up called "My Mother the Carjacker". In the episode we see the return of Homer's mother. Homer gets her free from a brief imprisonment with a quick trial (apparently partially thanks to Sideshow Mel). But a vengeful Burns tries to get her imprisoned and Homer must get her free "once and for all". All that has been confirmed.
The unconfirmed part, though again strongly hinted at by an insider who's identity I will not divulge, as well as my own personal guess, is that Homer's mother won't exactly survive the whole episode.
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evan
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Originally posted by DrThunder88: The problem with Gil is that he's a pseudo-character. There are a few throw-away characters that serve the same multi-faceted purpose as Gil (the sarcastic, moustached, Hank-Azaria-voiced guy comes to mind), but none of them are quite so irritating. Clearly, the other guy is annoying, but too the point where you realize that he's annoying and personifies all the annoying bit characters in our lives. Gil, on the other hand, is just a loser. He is not a character enough to be a real character, and he isn't one-dimensional enough to be a throw-away. His antics of failure are tired and overdone (much like everyone else's antics). [Cubert snort] Gil is/was a parody of the late Jack Lemmon's character in the film "Glengarry Glen Ross." Shelley "The Machine" Levine was a former real estate worker who fell on hard times after years of glory. Hence, Gil was first introduced in the episode "Realty Bites" (when Marge gets a job at a realtor.) That's the joke. Removed from that context, Gil really doesn't mean anything. It's a one-shot joke removed from its setting.
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Nurdbot
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Yeah, Burn's will never die inside the series. Outside however...
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Melllvar
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Originally posted by Asylum-Fry: How come he hasn't died yet?? I mean Mr. Burns should already be in the grave by now... how many years has The Simpsons dragged on now, with him still alive?
That's a bit like saying, "Why is Bart still 11?"
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Nurdbot
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And why isn't Homer dead yet?
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Asylum-Fry
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Originally posted by alexvilagosh:
Of course shows like Futurama and Family Guy are way better, but hey, they're both cancelled, and stopping the Simpsons isn't going to get them back on TV. By god, I have an idea! Nah I'm just joshing you, I wouldn't try to cancel a Matt G. show (even if he's cut most all connections to it).
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Nurdbot
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Originally posted by Kryten: Yeah, wasn't he supposed to die six months after "Homer the Heretic"? So, why was he still alive in "Lisa's Wedding" and "Bart to the Future"? Are we supposed to believe that this is some sort of magic Homer? Gee, I sure hope someone got fired for that blunder. He's eaten a lot of fatty food since they tinkered with his ticker.
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DotheBartman
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My comment about Mr. Burns was sarcastic for anyone who hasn't caught on....
Gil was actually introduced in "Realty Bites", which featured Hutz. They tinkered with using him as the Simpsons' lawyer later, but he only appeared in two episodes as a lawyer anyway(he doesn't even speak the second time) (and only one episode since then has featured him) so they must have abondoned the idea. And yes, no one can replace Hutz, but that doesn't mean they can't try to find someone who is still funny on their own. I enjoyed Gil the lawyer, personally. Just because I liked Phil Hartman's Clinton, doesn't mean I didn't like Darrel Hammond's as well.
Leelaholic: I agree. Personally, my standpoint is that seasons 10-12 just plain suck ass (and season 9 isn't that much better). 13 on the other hand was a HUGE improvement and enjoyable nearly week to week. Season 14 started off very badly, but got much better near the end. Dare I say "Moe Baby Blues" was one of the best episodes ever (top 50 for sure, anyway), and "Bart of War", "Mr. Spritz Goes to Washington" and "Three Gays of the Condo" were pretty much classic era quality was well.
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evan
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I think the episode that made me stop watching was when Homer, once again, gets a ranch in some contest and Lisa falls in love with the ranchhand. That has to be one of the weakest episode, right up there with the NSync one. Upon reflection, season 9 wasn't horrible, but the cracks were starting to show. Season 10 was pretty weak, aside from a few episodes. Aside from "Moe Baby Blues" and "Mr. Spritz Goes to Washington," I haven't seen anything in a few years that matches up to old-school Simpsons. Originally posted by Evil Fox Exec: Getting back to Gil, I just really hate the character. I know he's supposed to have been a sort of substitute for Lionel Hutz, but what a poor substitute! He's just plain annoying to the point of being so irritating that I want to reach into the TV screen and strangle him. It's good to see that he barely appeared in the more recent episodes. Even though I don't give a sh*t about the recent episodes. Gil: "You want me to do a dance for ya? But we're on the phone! You couldn't possibly....okay, okay, I'm-a dancin!"
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User_names_suck
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season 10,11 and 12 were still great perhaps there was occasional detoriation starting from 9 that increased over the next few seasons i think 13 and 14 has been the worst, but the u.k has'nt caught up yet so there still some episodes left so maybe i'll see some improvment. but i cant belive someone can think 11 and 12 suck thats just plain narrow mindedness.
one of my favourite qoutes ever comes from the christmas episode in season 11.
homer lisa and marge have just thrown the funzo dolls on the tire fire. and gary coleman comes along and argues "dont you think its possible an evil doll can make people happy. Lisa: Are you saying the ends justifies the means Colemam: gee thats a pretty glib remark. Bart: hey man dont talk to my sister that way lisa: no bart he's right, i did oversimplify. Homer: perhaps but lets not get bogged down in semantics.
the only things from season 12 that really makes me angry is that they made sideshow bob evil again. in brother from another series he is released and has learnt his lesson, and chief wiggum wrongly arrests him at the end of the episode. but then he apperas again and tries to hypnotise bart into killing krusty. so that was wrong but its still good damn all of you
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Nurdbot
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Newbie's. Monkey's with a twisted infection.
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Nurdbot
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Originally posted by Teesside Inc: Why Lisa Simpson, Shes smart, witty, independent cute girt who Focuses on her Goals, beliefs and shers a member of MENSA, Why Her? She's a whiny PC Person who's destroyed mankind several time's. And she smell's.
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DotheBartman
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Originally posted by Nurdbot: She's a whiny PC Person who's destroyed mankind several time's. And she smell's.
I'd agree...if this was fucking seasons 9-12. But not only is the character you describe not present in the first 8 seasons, she's not even present now (aside from Pray Anything, but nobody, hopefully, cared about that tripe). In the normal seasons, Lisa is a wonderful character; an empathetical, world wary and caring child with both adult and childlike qualities. Just forget seasons 9-12 ever exsisted, and you will be at peace.
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