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starone

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« on: 08-23-2003 08:44 »

what do you think is the worst thing ever done during the origional star trek (and i'm not talking about just in the show)
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« Reply #1 on: 08-23-2003 08:54 »



"It's alive."
"Let's kill it and get out of here."


"We're in a dangerous situation. Let me just pull this unhandy communication device from under my sweater, open it and" ZAP! *silence*
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« Reply #2 on: 08-23-2003 11:09 »

Ah i dunno, I dun care.

Just a helpful passive aggressive tip, next time Put a capital in front of your thread title.

Im not quite sure what you mean by injustice?
Does cancelling the animated series count?
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« Reply #3 on: 08-23-2003 11:12 »
« Last Edit on: 08-23-2003 11:12 »

Uh... Will Riker? (rim shot)

EDIT: D'oh!  I mean Wesley Crusher.  This is what I get for trying to be funny.  *sigh*
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« Reply #4 on: 08-23-2003 11:59 »

Wesley Crusher and Will Riker are warcrimes.

Gocad

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« Reply #5 on: 08-23-2003 12:02 »

That Chekov's scenes in "Space Seed" got cut out ... thus creating much confusion among the Trekkers.  tongue
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« Reply #6 on: 08-23-2003 13:00 »

Enterprise.
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« Reply #7 on: 08-23-2003 13:11 »

Gene Roddenberry's Wife.
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« Reply #8 on: 08-23-2003 14:03 »

Making Star Trek itself seems enough of an injustice to me! 
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« Reply #9 on: 08-23-2003 14:07 »

Where's Spiff?

I think Janeway would have made an excellent second choice for Doctor Quinn, Medicine Woman. I can picture her in such a role. But why did they have to make her a starship captain?

I also hated the kitchen rat called Neelix, and cow turd head, Torres.

T'Pal from ENT couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag.
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« Reply #10 on: 08-23-2003 14:21 »
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Originally posted by ZombieJesus:
T'Pal from ENT couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag.

D'uh, she does her job well...

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« Reply #11 on: 08-23-2003 15:00 »

I would never considder fanservice a spoiler.
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« Reply #12 on: 08-23-2003 15:19 »
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Voyager turning the Borg into the biggest wussies in the galaxy.

Damar dying in "What You Leave Behind..."

Giving the Killer B's control of the franchise.
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« Reply #13 on: 08-23-2003 15:23 »

Brannon Braga Presents: The Seven of Nine Show
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« Reply #14 on: 08-23-2003 17:52 »
« Last Edit on: 08-23-2003 17:52 »

That Star Trek went from being a great, exciting space opera from the 60's on, to a great pc, boring, snoozefest in the late 80's and beyond, at least on TV,and especially in  the last 3 movies.  sleep
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« Reply #15 on: 08-23-2003 18:05 »

 
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Originally posted by Wonderbee31:
.... especially in  the last 3 movies.   sleep

Hey, "First Contact" was good! After that, well it did went somehow down...  hmpf
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« Reply #16 on: 08-23-2003 18:15 »
« Last Edit on: 08-23-2003 18:15 »

I have to disagree regarding to TV as well. DS9 was pretty darn excellent. In fact it's the best incarnation of Star Trek there ever was and ever will be.

Hmm, maybe a DS9 movie is exactly what the franchise needs. Send Picard and co on retirement and bring Garak, Bashir, O'brien and the rest of the Terok Nor missfits onto the silver screen.
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« Reply #17 on: 08-23-2003 18:18 »

Good in the way that they decided to forget everything that made Star Trek a cult sci-fi programme and turn it into a blast-fest. Oh, and the begining of the end for the borg.
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« Reply #18 on: 08-23-2003 19:01 »

 
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Enterprise.

My god, I agree. I hate this show.


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« Reply #19 on: 08-23-2003 19:12 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
Hmm, maybe a DS9 movie is exactly what the franchise needs. Send Picard and co on retirement and bring Garak, Bashir, O'brien and the rest of the Terok Nor missfits onto the silver screen.

But didn't the writers technically commit movie suicide? Because DS9 (admirably) had such a convoluted plot with a lot of recurring characters, it would be difficult to produce a DS9 movie which would do credit to all said characters?

Or maybe not.  tongue  wink

What the franchise needs now is rest, and maybe for people who are actually fans of the franchise to be the ones helping to write and produce the show (it's not as if there's a total lack of them  wink). The almost continuous run of TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT has saturated the fans and diluted the material. It's noticeable that Voyager and Enterprise, while having some good episodes (be quiet, there in the back  wink) have a considerably higher filler/decent ep ratio than TNG and DS9.

So, to answer the question, I would say the worst thing done in Trek was to have almost 15 years of non-stop series (note this also applies to The Simpsons).
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« Reply #20 on: 08-23-2003 19:25 »

Enterprise is a pretty big injustice, that and DS9 (quiet Teral! I dont wanna hear it!)

I think instead of enterprise they should have done a series based on the Enterprise B or C
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« Reply #21 on: 08-23-2003 19:32 »

I'm not a huge fan of Captain Archer, or Enterprise at all for that matter.

Having Trois mother fall in love with Odo sucked!
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« Reply #22 on: 08-23-2003 19:38 »

Well, you're gonna.  tongue Nah, it's late, I'll postpone the ranting 'till tomorrow.

 
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Originally posted by CyberKnight:
 But didn't the writers technically commit movie suicide? Because DS9 (admirably) had such a convoluted plot with a lot of recurring characters, it would be difficult to produce a DS9 movie which would do credit to all said characters?

Probably. It would involve a lot of introductions and explanations for the casual audience, put the setting is rife for good stories. What will happene with Cardassia, the Klingons, the Breen, the Dominion, etc. Add to that a completely gutted Starfleet, a freeroaming Section 31 and probably widespread dissent among the Federation population that boneheaded Starfleet admirals dragged the Federation into such a terrible conflict.

It would be cool to watch, but I guess you're right. The fans are overfed and the rescent blunders by the feature films will mean no DS9 movie this side of 2010 or something. And that, right there, is the biggest injustice of them all.
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« Reply #23 on: 08-23-2003 20:18 »
« Last Edit on: 08-23-2003 20:18 »

The problem, as I see it, with a DS9 movie (or a VOY movie, for that matter), is that neither has a large enough audience to support a movie. TNG pretty much picked up a proportion of the original series' audience, plus a new slew of fans when during the 80's/early 90's there was very little sci-fi on TV, so it survived the transition to the big screen (although not for very long - and First Contact (which I liked) was actually less a ST film and more an action movie).

DS9 has a lot of backstory, and the basic premise of Voyager ended (in an utter disaster) with "Endgame". To be honest, I think the franchise has written itself into a corner.

It strikes me, also, from what I've read of the DS9 plot, that it leaves a pretty grim and bleary picture at the end of it's run. Many ST fans who've complained about DS9 have (I've noticed) focused on this destruction of the "idyllic" Federation as one of their main reasons for disliking the show, and perhaps this might be another reason why a movie franchise based on the latter series would fail.
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« Reply #24 on: 08-23-2003 20:26 »
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Originally posted by CyberKnight:
To be honest, I think the franchise has written itself into a corner.

What can you expect when let the Killer B's guard the honey pot?      wink

I know a lot of Voyager fans (online) who where angry about the way "Endgame" ended that show, and I'm not just talking about the cheating, lets-give-the-temporal-directive-the-finger, paradoxes-be-damned timetravel plot.

Janeway: "We made it."
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What no final minutes of reuniting the characters with their families, no touching farewell pans, letting the issue of Maquis members facing court martials/trials fly by, etc. I'm not a big fan of Voyager (don't look so surprised      wink ), but that's just low! At least give the show a fitting farewell.

   
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It strikes me, also, from what I've read of the DS9 plot, that it leaves a pretty grim and bleary picture at the end of it's run. Many ST fans who've complained about DS9 have (I've noticed) focused on this destruction of the "idyllic" Federation as one of their main reasons for disliking the show, and perhaps this might be another reason why a movie franchise based on the latter series would fail.

Yeah, it's pretty much what seperates DS9 and the rest of the Trek shows. While TOS, TNG and VOY paint a picture of the perfect Federation that always does the right thing, never do underhanded tricks, have a utopian society, etc. DS9 say, wait a minute, hold on! That's not how reality is. TNG/VOY/TOS is black and white, it's us against them, the good guys against the evil aliens. DS9 is basically a collection of shades of grey.

It show Starfleet officers conspiring to draw other people into war, covering up murder, alien societies to actually be vibrant and alive opposite the bland and boring UFP.

On top of that, Starfleet (mostly through it's own stubborness) gets dragged into a war of attrition against an equal enemy, a war it might as well have lost.

All in all it showed the weakness that still live inside the Federation, and for many ST fans (Roddenberry purists?) it was an insult to the perfect society Roddenberry had created. I think it strengtened the vision, by showing that for all it's weakness, for all it's corruption, the Federation was still made up of individual people who believed in and was willing to die for it's ideals. 

Uhh, yeah, after that little rant, back to the actual topic of this thread.
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« Reply #25 on: 08-23-2003 23:08 »
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I was under the impression that the Maquis who survived the Cardassian slaughter (by being on Voyager) were absolved of their crimes by the Federation given the circumstances and their years of apparantly noble service on a Federation ship before Pathfinder found them.  Speaking of Pathfinder, the crew was able to communicate with their families on a monthly basis, that must have eased some of the separation anxiety.  Janeway found out her fiancee had gotten married to someone else (and took her little dog, too), Chakotay found out all of his friends were dead, and everybody else seemed to have caught up with their friends back home.

At any rate, I never watched the original series, so I'll say killing-off Hogan was a bad move on Voyager's part.
starone

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« Reply #26 on: 08-23-2003 23:22 »

If you ask me the no contact kiss between Uhura and Kirk was the worst ever because it was a obvious show of racism plain and simple
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« Reply #27 on: 08-24-2003 00:30 »

 
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If you ask me the no contact kiss between Uhura and Kirk was the worst ever because it was a obvious show of racism plain and simple

Wait, WHAT?  Care to explain how a white man kissing a black woman was/is racist?

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starone

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« Reply #28 on: 08-24-2003 00:40 »

 
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 Wait, WHAT?  Care to explain how a white man kissing a black woman was/is racist?


what I ment was how it was handled, the network executuives didn't like the thought of it and wanted the no contact kiss(it was the sixties).
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« Reply #29 on: 08-24-2003 08:38 »
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For Teral, I will accept that the last 4 seasons of DS9 was some good TV, not just Star Trek, but good overall.  I do disagree that TOS started the perfect society.  Characters on that show did disagree with one another, there was bigoty(Balance of Terror) and emotions were freely given and exchanged, with the exception of Mr. Spock. The thing about TOS, in my opinion, was the sense of fun, throughout the series, something that DS9 touched upon occasionally, while TNG, VOY, and ENT seem to be sorely lacking. 

Oh and while it would be a close fight between Sisko and Kirk, if they were in a 3 on 2 match against Picard, Janeway, and Archer, it'd be Kirk and Sisko doing the beatdown on those three losers.
<Kirk and Sisko:The Eliminators>  evil laugh
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« Reply #30 on: 08-24-2003 08:55 »
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But then Janeway would go back in time and give some neat-looking but utterly outrageous weaponry to her past self, thus changing history.   hmpf
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« Reply #31 on: 08-24-2003 09:15 »
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Maybe, but can any of the newer captains beat a Kirk flying dropkick?
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« Reply #32 on: 08-24-2003 11:21 »
« Last Edit on: 08-24-2003 11:21 »

I bet Sisko could.

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« Reply #33 on: 08-24-2003 12:21 »

wow arguing which Star Trek captin can beat who up this is now a quantum singluarity of geekness right now.

and 20 quatlues on Sisko!
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« Reply #34 on: 08-24-2003 13:49 »

Since Sisko was able to knock down an omnipotent being, my money go with him.
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« Reply #35 on: 08-24-2003 14:40 »

I guess I think DS9 is better than Voyager or Enterprise, but in the same way that being hit in the head with a baseball bat is better than being hit in the head with a sledgehammer.
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« Reply #36 on: 08-24-2003 14:41 »

After all, he is the Sisko!  big grin
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« Reply #37 on: 08-24-2003 14:57 »

 
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  D'uh, she does her job well...


Well, what about in the pilot (or second episode, I forget) when she and the Engineering guy are half nekkid and scrubbing each other? I was like: "What the hell? Are they having sex?"
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« Reply #38 on: 08-24-2003 15:05 »

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« Reply #39 on: 08-24-2003 16:17 »

Being aired on Spike T.V.
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