What's the worst movie/TV cliche?

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In the actual Matrix film, that was done on purpose. They wanted everything to be of a green tint in the 'matrix', and for there to be different shades and tones of greens. And in the 'real world' everything is toned and tinted blue to show the difference   

TOTP boogie

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Regarding "Tinting":

Is it just me, or does "Swordfish" employ that same technique? (But with an orange tint, instead of a green one). It's actually interesting how many films are tinted, even slightly, when you compare the production video with the final product.

Regarding 2D starship combat:

Firstly, in Star Wars, weren't the fighter battles based on the WW2 dogfights (cinematically, at least)?

And the ships in Star Trek tend to treat combat exactly the same way as galleons in the 18th Century. i.e., Move alongside each other and fire everything you got. 

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Seven was black. It was even filmed using special film for that feature.

Traffic was rather yellow.

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It could be just Digital Grading like in LOTR, in which it was overdone, sometimes.

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I think in ST: TWOK, they did treat it like that, However, in ST VI, they did show a little more three diemensional version of fight, which I thought was great.  I still think some of the best space battle scenes were in Babylon 5.

Can't remember if this was posted or not, but in  50's SF movies, there was always the dope on the crew, who was supposed to represent the regular "joe", as it were.  Instead, they always made you think, what is this moron doing on a mission into space? 

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They used 3d tactics in "All Good This..." and "The Sacrifice Of Angels" as well. Okay, that last on emight be debateable, but the Klingons managed to outflank the Dominion.

 

Originally posted by CyberKnight:
And the ships in Star Trek tend to treat combat exactly the same way as galleons in the 18th Century. i.e., Move alongside each other and fire everything you got.   

Reminds me of an entry in the "Nitpickers Guide for Deep Space Nine Trekkers", "The Sons Of Mogh" episode: Sisko mention that the Klingons are trying to cut of the Bajoran system completely using cloaked mines. The author, Phil Farrand, calculated it would take at least 800 million mines (and would take 100 ships 76 years to complete). Ofcourse it turns out the Klingons aren't interested in fully enclosing the Bajoran system in all three dimensions (a sphere in other words), they're placing the mines in the same plane as the planets, much like the Solar asteroid belt. "Sorry, Chancellor, we completely forgot space have 3 dimensions."

Another thing from ST: why is the UFP the only major power that has a multi-racial government? All other galactic powers consist of one single race (Cardassians, Romulans, Klingons) and eventual conquered races, while the UFP have a long list of different races represented in it's leadership, both civilian and military.

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Probably because the Federation is supposed to represent the US, which formed from parts of countries from all over the world.

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Yeah, but it does stretch credibility a bit.  Afterall Canada and Australia are "immigration nations" too. So why not in the St universe as well?

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Originally posted by CyberKnight:
Regarding 2D starship combat:

Firstly, in Star Wars, weren't the fighter battles based on the WW2 dogfights (cinematically, at least)?

Compare "A New Hope" to the "Return of the Jedi" battle at the Death Star. That takes advantage of all axises of space.

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@Teral: Well, the TV explanation is that it cuts out a whole load of storylines where the UFP can take the moral highground. On the "in-universe" side, maybe it illustrates that the most successful races are the imperialist ones. After all, as you've maintained several times (   ), the Federation is on the verge of collapse, and is often torn apart by inter-diplomat bickering.

@evan: Good point. That quote I heard probably only referred to the first (and I do mean first) Star Wars film.

Of course, 2D starship combat is a moot point because the only reference point you have is the starships themselves.

And the starships are fairly lumbering constructs, so they can't manuever too quickly, and they fly close to each other to get the best possible accuracy with their weapons.

Why oh why do I feel this incessant need to rationalise this?   

Oooh, oooh - I've got a possible way to rationalise that anecdote (forgive me if it contradicts with the episode as I haven't seen it) - maybe the mines are programmed to attract towards anything in a given arc? 

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Originally posted by CyberKnight:
Firstly, in Star Wars, weren't the fighter battles based on the WW2 dogfights (cinematically, at least)?

I remember seeing somewhere (I think on the Episode 2 DVD) that they actually used stock footage from WW2 dogfights to plan the shots for the attack on the Death Star in ANH, instead of the standard animatics.  It actually looked pretty cool. 

Also, one cliche that I hate is the computer-genius 10-year old that can do more on a computer than trained adults, and can figure out/hack into complex systems in minutes (Jurassic Park, for one). Just bugs me.

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     Okay I've got something to gripe about now... those damn B action movies or even some A list movies where all the henchmen can spray an entire clip from an Ak-47 and hit nothing but the ground in front of them. I mean jesus christ hollywood didn't we learn a goddamned thing from Mr-T and the   A-Team. Another thing is the henchmen all armed with different guns/caliber ammo.... I mean come the fuck on they cannot be that stupid... whatever happened to the basic sense of carrying the same good guns that way when your buddy gets smeared by the crack shot civilian with amazing sense of aim (Bullshit Skills),you can steal the bullets off his corpse... Why can't there be more factual movies like Ronin except... interesting...


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