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PEE Poll: American/non anime Cartoons Vs.Anime
Anime All the way!   -16 (38.1%)
Anime? Anime?!No way!   -25 (59.5%)
Umm.....I hate cartoons.   -1 (2.4%)
Total Voters: 42

Phry

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« Reply #40 on: 08-20-2003 16:12 »

I haven't really seen any anime so I don't know what all the fuss is about. Futurama and The Simpsons are the only animated shows I really watch.
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #41 on: 08-20-2003 18:47 »

I can't stand anime.  Every single anime show I've seen while flipping channels looks the same to me in terms of style, animation quality, etc.  Watching that stuff for more than five minutes hurts my eyes.
John C
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« Reply #42 on: 08-20-2003 22:23 »

Well, I can't say I hate anime; I loved "Spirited Away". But I can't stand it when they get too "Japanese" (giant sweat beads, psychopathic laughing).
Venus

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« Reply #43 on: 08-20-2003 23:45 »

 
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Originally posted by Evil Fox Exec:
I can't stand anime.  Every single anime show I've seen while flipping channels looks the same to me in terms of style, animation quality, etc.  Watching that stuff for more than five minutes hurts my eyes.

damn straight. i despise anime. In all it's forms. It all looks the same and the way they show expressions is ridiculous and annoying. Have they never heard of subtlety? i would much rather watch animation where the expressions are realistic and where the characters don't randomly jump into absurd poses. And I do mean 'jump' like having their arms straight at their side in one frame and then their arms up in the air on the next frame. With no in-between. And i'm not just judging based on pokemon and DBZ i've sat through Sailermoon, kiki's delivery service, princess mononoke, totoro, the commercials for spirited away as well as every anime picture ever posted on this site. Stylistically they all look the same.
evan

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« Reply #44 on: 08-21-2003 01:21 »
« Last Edit on: 08-21-2003 01:21 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
 Stylistically they all look the same.

Um, you mean the "anime style"? And, just so you're aware, styles do change. Compare Lupin the Third to Cowboy Bebop to Dragonball Z to Trigun and each is distinct and has a separate style from the others.

/edit -- the random jumping is for comedic purposes. It's similar to when Homer goes from happy to sad within a single sentence (this was more pronounced in early Simpsons).

And, the subtly claim is, in one word, ludacrious. Again, go to Cowboy Bebop for subtely and nuance in character. Go to Neon Genesis, which is nothing but subtle character interaction. Compare that to, oh, the hit-you-over-the-head style in the Simpsons or most Disney features.
Jongriffin

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« Reply #45 on: 08-21-2003 01:29 »
« Last Edit on: 08-21-2003 01:29 »

I love anime myself. Unlike American animation, you do get a lot more variety in anime from serious to silly to action to horror. Most American cartoons all the same, just a same silly storyline over and over again. Also watch some Miyazaki works like Spirited Away, Castle in the Sky, and Princess Mononoke. In my opinion he beats out the Disney storylines easily. Miyazaki has some very deep storylines in his animation. Which brings up another point, some people don't like anime, because some of it has deep thought provoking storylines. If you don't pay attention, you can easily get lost.

Also what's this about DBZ being crap? I have to disagree. One of the wonderful things about DBZ is the character growth and development. Characters change physically and mentally. The show teaches about courage, redemption, bravery, self-sacrifice, and pushing yourself to the max. Also it isn't a kids show like people make it out to be. It has been edited for American television. Check this page out to see screenshots of what they took out of the American t.v. version of DBZ. http://www.db-unlimited.net/dbzu.shtml 
Venus

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« Reply #46 on: 08-21-2003 01:32 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
  Um, you mean the "anime style"? And, just so you're aware, styles do change. Compare Lupin the Third to Cowboy Bebop to Dragonball Z to Trigun


but that would involve watching them. i was ready to jab a spoon in my eye 5 minutes into princess mononoke.   puke
evan

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« Reply #47 on: 08-21-2003 01:38 »

So, what you're saying is that you're making a judgement based upon something you haven't seen? Seems fair.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #48 on: 08-21-2003 01:56 »
« Last Edit on: 08-21-2003 01:56 »

 
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Originally posted by John C:
Well, I can't say I hate anime; I loved "Spirited Away". But I can't stand it when they get too "Japanese" (giant sweat beads, psychopathic laughing).

"Hey Sasuke, I'm tired of being Japanese"

"Me too Kasuhito"

"It's Bob now".

"It's Steve to you, and now we're gay and we share an apartment. Your the guy who wears th Shell Suit, and I'm the porn star".
 laff   laff   laff

Also, Venis you judge something you've never seen?

"Wow, that Germany sure look's evil, what with all the Nazi's plotting to get into power".

And she missed the Mountain's of Bavaria.

Venus

Urban Legend
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« Reply #49 on: 08-21-2003 02:26 »

im not gonna sit and watch every anime in the world. i've seen enough to know i don't like the style. If i can look at it and identify it as being an anime that's good enough for me.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #50 on: 08-21-2003 02:30 »

I could reply in a general manner, but being petty is alot more fun.

*Clone's Charlie Chapman who eat's all of Venis's kitten's*
 laff

I'm joking if you can't tell.
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #51 on: 08-21-2003 13:48 »

I've seen Spirited Away in it's entirety.  I don't see what the big deal is.  It doesn't look all that beautiful to me.  It still has that choppy anime animation, and not the fluent Disney animation-style, or American animation in general.  Also, I didn't like the story very much.  But that might be due to a cultural thing.

Come to think of it, there's another aspect of anime I hate beside the exagerated expressions and sweat beads.  I also hate it how they sometimes have these still-frames, with the camera panning across the picture and the character's mouth not moving.
evan

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« Reply #52 on: 08-21-2003 14:23 »

Reason for that = $$$

There is, to my knowledge, no anime company on par with Disney, financially. Therefore, in order to get shows in on time and underbudget, the pan is used. Beside, in a long shot, could you really notice or care if someone's lips are moving?
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #53 on: 08-21-2003 14:31 »

Well, the thing is, it's not just in long shots.  I've glimpsed at a number of anime cartoons on TV in which there are close-up pan shots.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #54 on: 08-21-2003 14:42 »

It's a cartoon, it's not meant to be realistic.
VelourFog

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« Reply #55 on: 08-21-2003 14:59 »

you mean that the oddly proportioned cat girls aren't realistic?!
Nurdbot

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« Reply #56 on: 08-21-2003 15:19 »

That means somebodys been giving them Ponys.

Check the Peeltrix before you think I'm high or drunk.

Coop

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« Reply #57 on: 08-21-2003 18:46 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
 Blasphemer. When the day comes, you'll recognize Furi Kuri for the genius that it is.

The genius piece of shit. Its incredibly stupid. I cant watch it for more than five seconds with *BAM* or *pop* or something crazy happening. Thats the problem with anime...even the cartoons they try to make serious dont take themselves seriously. Not once have I ever seen someone's head turn giant on the justice league. And shows like Futurama and Clerks may not have the animation of FLCL or any other anime, but I can rest easy knowing no one is gonna turn into a snake or a giant gorilla and start flopping around in 2 frames then explode. FLCL makes me sick to my stomache and makes me want to grind the creators teeth on a belt sander.

I love the anime Bubblegum Crisis 2040, that show rocked. Shows like FLCL are just TOO Japanese for anyone to enjoy except the Japanese.


The official CARLITO of PEEL
NibblerJr

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« Reply #58 on: 08-21-2003 19:38 »

What the Hell are you talking about?
Coop

Professor
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« Reply #59 on: 08-21-2003 19:39 »

uh...FLCL...did you even bother to read the post?  Or the thread for that matter?


The official CARLITO of PEEL
evan

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« Reply #60 on: 08-21-2003 19:40 »
« Last Edit on: 08-21-2003 19:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Coop:
 The genius piece of shit. Its incredibly stupid. I cant watch it for more than five seconds with *BAM* or *pop* or something crazy happening. Thats the problem with anime...even the cartoons they try to make serious dont take themselves seriously. Not once have I ever seen someone's head turn giant on the justice league. And shows like Futurama and Clerks may not have the animation of FLCL or any other anime, but I can rest easy knowing no one is gonna turn into a snake or a giant gorilla and start flopping around in 2 frames then explode. FLCL makes me sick to my stomache and makes me want to grind the creators teeth on a belt sander.

I love the anime Bubblegum Crisis 2040, that show rocked. Shows like FLCL are just TOO Japanese for anyone to enjoy except the Japanese.


First off, as was previously mentioned in the FLCL thread, FLCL is supposed to be exceedingly weird and bizarre. It's an experimental show done by GAINAX (sign of the cross for Evangelion and Lain). The outrageousness, the constant cutting-away, the hypertensive action...it's all on purpose in order to disorient the viewer. GAINAX got together to make the ultimate absurd coming-of-age story.

Oh, and FLCL is made for the Japanese, therefore what problem is it that its designed for a Japanese audience?

And, as for this ridiculous comment about character heads growing, well, once again, it's for comedic effect. Note how it only happens in comedy serieses. The dramatic shows never have that happen.

For instance, when Wile E. Coyete's eyes pop out of his head, are you going to complain because it's "not realistic?" It's the same principle, just done in a different style.

Bender: "Try this, kids at home!
Warning: do not try this at home
NibblerJr

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #61 on: 08-21-2003 19:52 »

I know what oyure talking about. Me and Evan Love FLCL. And are we Japanese?!?!?
Coop

Professor
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« Reply #62 on: 08-21-2003 19:56 »
« Last Edit on: 08-21-2003 19:56 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
  First off, as was previously mentioned in the FLCL thread, FLCL is supposed to be exceedingly weird and bizarre. It's an experimental show done by GAINAX (sign of the cross for Evangelion and Lain). The outrageousness, the constant cutting-away, the hypertensive action...it's all on purpose in order to disorient the viewer. GAINAX got together to make the ultimate absurd coming-of-age story.

Oh, and FLCL is made for the Japanese, therefore what problem is it that its designed for a Japanese audience?

And, as for this ridiculous comment about character heads growing, well, once again, it's for comedic effect. Note how it only happens in comedy serieses. The dramatic shows never have that happen.

For instance, when Wile E. Coyete's eyes pop out of his head, are you going to complain because it's "not realistic?" It's the same principle, just done in a different style.


Nope, but it takes a kid with A.D.D to find either one humorous.  Now dont get me wrong, Ive got nothing against kids with A.D.D or Japanese people, but I should be allowed to call FLCL infectious without being told its blasphemous.


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Shadowstar

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« Reply #63 on: 08-21-2003 20:15 »

The Japanese style looks good, but it all looks the same. With American cartoons, although some of the stories and artwork are crap, there are hundreds of different styles. Although they did give us the custums such as the sweatdrop and the speech bubble appearing on screen. And also, Spirited Away wasn't anything so special, and also, I'm judging by the anime that hasn't been slashed to pieces by the censors.
aslate

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« Reply #64 on: 08-21-2003 20:21 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
 Wait a minute ... are you bad-mouthin' "Dilbert"? Nix, sick him!

Granted, it didn't live up to the strip, but lumping it in with "Rugrats", and the like is a capital offense.

The top-5 on my cartoon-hitlist are all non-anime (Futurama, Simpsons, Darkwing Duck, Dilbert and The Critic), so I'll go with #2.


Recently i started to watch Dilbert on FTN (Crappy digital channel), and i've found it quite addictive. Even though i don't work in a cubicle/office like that (I don't work but still), i can still get all the jokes about incompetent employees. You need to get used to it, it's nothing like the cartoon strip though.

Nurdbot

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« Reply #65 on: 08-22-2003 02:27 »

Some American cartoon's are pure capilistic shit made just so the Network can buy more shiny Moniters next year.

The same thing happen's to Anime. Why don't we agree they both have good and bad moments?
mazaite

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« Reply #66 on: 08-22-2003 02:39 »

I want to vote but in order to decide I have to know:

What side is "Samurai Jack" on?
Nixorbo

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« Reply #67 on: 08-22-2003 02:43 »

::Sigh:: You anime fanboys make me so happy.  Remember back when I tried to run anime pic thread into the ground with bad cosplay?  Yeah, those were the days.
evan

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« Reply #68 on: 08-22-2003 03:06 »

 
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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
Some American cartoon's are pure capilistic shit made just so the Network can buy more shiny Moniters next year.

[cough]Dilbert[/cough]

 
Quote
Originally posted by Nurdbot:
The same thing happen's to Anime. Why don't we agree they both have good and bad moments?

Because comprimise is for the weak. All we do anyway is end up arguing. Arguing is more interesting than civil conversation, anyways.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #69 on: 08-22-2003 06:14 »

Well, I'm standing by my compromise.

Note: Well into the night, while the argument raged on Nurdy broke into the PEEL lockers and stole all the Futurama and Misc Anime DVD's, he now lives a rich life in Brazil ala Ronnie Brigg's.
MrMayat

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« Reply #70 on: 08-23-2003 00:15 »

I used to detest anime for the same ol' reasons: Weird character design, "super deformity", bland storyline, etc.
All of that changed when a local TV station broadcasted some "mature" anime during late night programming.(i.e Jin Roh, Ghost in the shell) I slowly gained interest and searched the internet for "serious" anime. The rest they say is history...
In summary, there's a genre for eveyone. You just got to steer clear of "bad" anime.
Tdog

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« Reply #71 on: 08-23-2003 01:27 »

I love anime and cartoons my fave cartoon is Futurama my fave anime is Tenchi Muyo.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #72 on: 08-23-2003 01:39 »

"bad" Anime is Shojo Anime, made really for more comical stuff. Serious Anime is stuff like Bebop, Trigun, Helllsing and Eva.

I watch both types. I blame all that kiddie crap for ruining half the people's view on anime here.
evan

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« Reply #73 on: 08-23-2003 01:59 »

I seriously wonder how many people who say they "hate" anime have ever really watched a series or a movie all the way through. It's easy to say you "hate" something based upon the commericals for Yugi Oh.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #74 on: 08-23-2003 02:42 »

I blame the money grubbing bastards. Life's alot easier.
starone

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« Reply #75 on: 08-23-2003 08:11 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
 Hamtaro, Yu-Gi-Oh, Beyblade, Medabots, horrible Pilot Candidate

vs.

Futurama, Gargoyles, Batman: TAS, the VERY underrated ExoSquad, Reboot, S1-9 of The Simpsons, Aqua Teen Hunger Force...


see, I can play "Stack the Deck" too.


Reboot ROCKS!, Futurama is better though
starone

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« Reply #76 on: 08-23-2003 08:14 »

yu-gi-oh was brought here only because pokemon was sucking money wise (i ment to say that earlier)
and look how it turned out
bankrupt

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« Reply #77 on: 08-23-2003 12:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Coop:
 
 Shows like FLCL are just TOO Japanese for anyone to enjoy except the Japanese.


I like the show after only seeing two episodes of it, yet I'm decidedly unjapanese.  How does that work?
Just Chris

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« Reply #78 on: 08-23-2003 12:10 »

 
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Originally posted by Margarita:
i don't like Anime.

Yet your avatar is anime styled! How about that? Do you know what drawing style Sinfest emulates? ANIME! And the author is name TATSUYA ISHIDA! Man, you're a reverse xenophobe or something  tongue

Like I said, there are many American cartoons that I like but anime can bury the rest into the ground. And those aren't any good examples of quality anime, Kryten. Good stuff isn't just "spoon-fed" to you. You gotta search for yourself. There's no way in hell Samurai X or Berserk are going to be on the Kids' WB. US networks tend to butcher the content to pieces, and anime isn't good when it's watered down. You have to go to the uncut source.
Nefnar

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« Reply #79 on: 08-23-2003 12:54 »

I hate anime, they speak so serious like if it was something real. and anime is not funny at all.
And because of anime all the kids from my country speak stupidly stupid.
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