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PEE Poll: Star Trek vs. Star Wars
Star Trek   -17 (24.3%)
Star Wars   -37 (52.9%)
Both Are Equally Good   -8 (11.4%)
Both Equally Suck   -4 (5.7%)
    -4 (5.7%)
Total Voters: 69

newhook_1

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« Reply #80 on: 06-25-2004 11:14 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2004 11:14 »

I've tried to watch Star Trek, I really have, but I honestly find it too boring. I'm not one of those people who just goes "Star Trek Suxxors!!!!!!11111 You nerds!!!!!!111", I gave it an honest chance and I didn't like it. I just find the way that they feel the need to explain every little thing so damn boring.

So I think it should be obvious that I'm voting for Star Wars at this point. Episodes 4, 5, & 6 are awesome. Episode 2 is just ok, it's still a pretty good movie, just not as good as the OT movies. Episode 1 is just shite compared to the others.

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« Reply #81 on: 06-25-2004 12:40 »

I like them both.  If I had to choose only one, I'd choose Star Trek.  Luckily, I don't have to choose so I voted for "Both are equally good".

It's funny that I may never end up owning DVDs of either series.  The Star Trek series are pretty expensive and I won't buy the altered forms of the original Star Wars movies.  I guess I'll save some money.
ZombieJesus

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« Reply #82 on: 06-25-2004 15:30 »

Trek Wars suck.
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« Reply #83 on: 06-29-2004 15:20 »

Forbidden words are forbidden for a reason!
LLL

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« Reply #84 on: 04-13-2005 15:56 »

Star wars is way better than star trek but ep1 was crap
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #85 on: 04-13-2005 16:09 »
« Last Edit on: 04-13-2005 16:09 »

Hooray for random bumps of threads I've never seen before.

Above all, it's important to remember that Star Wars isn't really Science Fiction.  It's High Fantasy with a couple Western elements in a futuristic setting.

Anyway, here's how I see it:
1. Classic Star Wars
2. Next Generation and Voyager
3. Classic Trek
4. Star Wars Prequels
5. All other Trek spinoffs.  Sorry Teral, but you know my feelings on DS9.

See, the thing I like about Star Wars in general is that it doesn't try to pretend it's based on actual science by throwing random, blatantly false technobabble about tachyons and antimatter reactions and subspace at you.  Star Wars doesn't even try to explain itself, because it knows it's fantasy.  Also, it has the best villains in American cinematic history.

However, Next Generation and the first half or so of Voyager beat out the prequel trilogy on the basis that their writing and acting doesn't suck balls.  Old Trek beats said prequels on the basis that a) it's so bad it's good, and b) it was damn good in the 60's.

EDIT: Almost forgot.  Farscape > All.
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« Reply #86 on: 04-13-2005 18:32 »

Although I love both of them, I gotta go with my first love, Star Trek.

But I love me some Jedi too.
Harry Sach

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« Reply #87 on: 04-14-2005 04:04 »
« Last Edit on: 04-14-2005 04:04 »

"Tripping The Riff" puts them all to shame.
Seriouly though, I've read the novilization for episode 3 and this will define the series. That being said, I have one word that puts Star Wars ahead of trek. YODA

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« Reply #88 on: 04-14-2005 06:35 »

"ConcentraaaaAAAAAAAATE!!!!" *bonk*

Oh my, yes.
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« Reply #89 on: 04-14-2005 06:55 »

I've never liked Star Trek.
I love Star Wars.
morbo_it

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« Reply #90 on: 04-14-2005 07:50 »

star wars has x-wings and star destroyers.
star trek hasn't.
star wars is the best movie of all times
CyberKnight

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« Reply #91 on: 04-14-2005 09:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
Star Wars doesn't even try to explain itself, because it knows it's fantasy.

MIDICHLORIANS!

*runs away*  tongue

Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #92 on: 04-14-2005 11:42 »

Gah! Don't say that word!

*eyes are burning*

About the only positive thing you can say about that fiasco is that Lucas learned from his mistake, for once.  Did the M-word get mentioned at all in Episode II?  No.  So I just like to pretend that conversation didn't happen.

Episode I had a lot of Lucas trying too hard to make real-world sense out of the series, and failing miserably.
CyberKnight

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« Reply #93 on: 04-14-2005 15:06 »

Which ties into my belief that the first prequel was trying to be waaay too serious about itself (kind of ironic when you've got Slapstick Jar-Jar in there  wink).

To expound on my previous, ancient, answer, Star Wars does action sequences better. In Star Trek (especially on Enterprise, I've noticed) there's a tendency to make the action shots very short and have too much exposition ("the shields are failing! We're all going to die!" ) in between.

In my ever-so-humble-so-humble-that-even-I-don't-hold-any-weight-in-it opinion Star Trek has yet to produce anything on a par with the Battle of Endor (in fact the only battle anywhere in fiction which comes close is the Area 51 fight in Independence Day, and it can be argued that that's a ripoff of the BoE).
Harry Sach

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« Reply #94 on: 04-14-2005 16:37 »

Star Trek hasn't even come close to the Battles of Yavin or Hoth either.
Teral

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« Reply #95 on: 04-14-2005 17:36 »
« Last Edit on: 04-14-2005 17:36 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
Sorry Teral, but you know my feelings on DS9.

Yeah, I'm just unable to accept them.   wink

Hmm, fancy that, a Star Trek thread I haven't posted in yet. This is mainly because I agree with Gocad.

I love DS9, a fact that should come as no surprise to most people (I mean I only rant about every oppurtunity I get). True it did produce two of the universally most loathed episodes of Trek (Let He Who Is Without Sin and Profit and Lace), but also made absolutely stellar episodes such as "In The Pale Moonlight", "Duet", "The Visitor" and "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges".

Classic Star Wars, while among my favorite movies, lack that "shades-of-grey" feel that made DS9 so amazing.

 
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To expound on my previous, ancient, answer, Star Wars does action sequences better. In Star Trek (especially on Enterprise, I've noticed) there's a tendency to make the action shots very short and have too much exposition ("the shields are failing! We're all going to die!" ) in between.

In my ever-so-humble-so-humble-that-even-I-don't-hold-any-weight-in-it opinion Star Trek has yet to produce anything on a par with the Battle of Endor

Star Trek will never make a battle as action-packed as Endor. The ST fleets lack the fighters to do so. Much of the action-feel in SW battles come from the Tie vs X-wing dogfights. Consisiting primarily of capital ships, the ST fleets don't have the speed to offer its director the same possibilities. Although the battles in "Sacirifce of Angels", "Tears of the Prophets" and a few other were pretty neat looking.

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« Reply #96 on: 04-14-2005 18:03 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
True it did produce two of the universally most loathed episodes of Trek (Let He Who Is Without Sin and Profit and Lace)

Oh no you don't! We Voyager fans may not be able to claim to be the most popular series, or the best series, or even the series with the best episode, but you're not taking the "Worst Episode Ever!" award away from us! We've got "Threshold"!  wink (Which Braga has admitted to being his worst episode recently).

 
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"Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges"

That's the one where you nicked the Voyager sets 'cause you're cheap, right?  wink

Nah, seriously, I want to see that one. And the rest of DS9 for that matter. They started with S1 recently here in the UK but then they disappeared from the schedule.  hmpf

 
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Star Trek will never make a battle as action-packed as Endor. The ST fleets lack the fighters to do so. Much of the action-feel in SW battles come from the Tie vs X-wing dogfights. Consisiting primarily of capital ships, the ST fleets don't have the speed to offer its director the same possibilities. Although the battles in "Sacirifce of Angels", "Tears of the Prophets" and a few other were pretty neat looking.

I was going to say that the First Contact opening battle was pretty good. The Defiant class is a step in the right direction to be sure.

And I'd argue that you could do a proper battle between capital ships in Star Trek and make it exciting; you just need to have a good sense of pace. Of course, the fact that ship-to-ship phasers tend to have a precision and lack of speed to them probably doesn't help.
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #97 on: 04-14-2005 18:16 »

 
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I was going to say that the First Contact opening battle was pretty good. The Defiant class is a step in the right direction to be sure.

"You do remember how to fire a phaser, right?"
NibblerJr

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« Reply #98 on: 04-14-2005 23:31 »

Which series has a MMORPG that I constantly play?

Hint: It's not Star Trek.

My cousins are all into Star Wars, and so am I.

Also, go Imperials.

Oh, and I have seen the original trilogy ^_^
David A

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« Reply #99 on: 04-14-2005 23:53 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
  Star Trek will never make a battle as action-packed as Endor. The ST fleets lack the fighters to do so.

Yet another reason that Babylon 5 will always be better than Star Trek.

No offense, Teral.
Zogonif

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« Reply #100 on: 04-16-2005 00:54 »

Star Wars For me i allways like it more
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« Reply #101 on: 04-16-2005 00:56 »

Star Wars is my favorite of the two.
ShortRoundMcfly

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« Reply #102 on: 04-17-2005 17:43 »

Star Wars has closure. t\They won't stop making Star Trek until they run out of combinations of numbers and letters and synonyms for "journey".
Zed 85

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« Reply #103 on: 04-17-2005 18:10 »

Another great thing about Star Wars, not that you can really call this a serious "fault" with Star Trek, is that being set in a ficticious universe, the core idea can be expanded in nearly every direction - the fact that the Expanded Universe is many, many times bigger than the original idea George Lucas came up with is a clear indication of this. You can't do that with Star Trek unfortunately, because if you go to far, someone will undoubtedly appear out of no where and say you've got it all wrong, that celestrial body, that part of science, that historical factor, you've so totally got it wrong! We are sort of limited by our own knowledge and our obsession in what we believe to be accurate. That's why more recent Star Trek has to drown everyone in technobable. Star Wars however can do nearly whatever the hell if feels like, because at the end of the day, no one can really hold a serious scientific case against it - because it's not even attempting to play by their rules.

However, the charm of the original trilogy was the tongue-in-cheek-ness of it all - the new films take themselves far too seriously and really suffer as a result.  hmpf
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #104 on: 04-18-2005 09:14 »

But Trek's science babble is ludicrous! Explain to me how a phaser can shoot something which can make a person fall asleep (or stun them or whatever the fuck it does) at one setting, and something that makes walls kerplode at another. Explain! Also, the fact that people fall both left, right, forwards and backwards when a ship is jolted by some kind of impact, blast, etc... The simple rules of inertia and potential kinetic energy says that they should all fall in the same direction.
Read these... All of them. They are all true (and most of you may already have seen these- this does not make them any less true).

With Star Wars, they do have explanations, but they are obviously pure fantasy, such as Tibanna gas, Adegan crystals and twin ion engines... Pretty much like magic, but just without that actual word.
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« Reply #105 on: 04-18-2005 09:28 »

 
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird:
But Trek's science babble is ludicrous! Explain to me how a phaser can shoot something which can make a person fall asleep (or stun them or whatever the fuck it does) at one setting, and something that makes walls kerplode at another. Explain!

Depending on the velocity at which I hit someone over the head with a golf club, they either fall unconcious or die.  wink

 
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Also, the fact that people fall both left, right, forwards and backwards when a ship is jolted by some kind of impact, blast, etc... The simple rules of inertia and potential kinetic energy says that they should all fall in the same direction.

Yeah, um, inertial dampeners. Yeah, they totally screw up the forces inside a starship.  tongue
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« Reply #106 on: 11-01-2006 04:15 »

wow, i'm surprised that the wars is so far ahead. perhaps because it has been made more contemporary with recent releases of the prequels?
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« Reply #107 on: 11-01-2006 08:14 »

Or perhaps because it is better.
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #108 on: 11-01-2006 08:28 »

More entertaining, anyway.

And, for all it's many, MANY irritating and sometimes downright excruciating faults, even the Prequel triology occasionally did something really cool. Darth Maul is a three-line villian in a bad movie, but he's still pretty damn cool. Palpatine's machinations were one of the things that just hit EXACTLY the right pitch for it to work, as Ian McDiarmid didn't actually ham it up too much (until he went all Emperor of course. But hey, that's the Emperor.)
Various actions scenes and fights also look pretty damn cool, and I loved the Obi-Wan vs Jango fight if for no other reason than it having a Jedi get pretty well owned by a 'normal' man.

I'm not saying that Trek doesn't have it's moments (First Contact is a definate high point. Jean-Luc with Tommy Gun = total win), just that over all, even BAD Star Wars isn't totally irredemable. Just skip past all the parts where hero characters are talking amongst themselves. And anything which isn't a fight, really.
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« Reply #109 on: 11-01-2006 12:03 »

Normal men don't have jetpacks, Jango was an uber-man, and he only got away because Obi-wan was lazy and wet and needed a nap.  tongue
Also, Boba shot him with those big guns.
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« Reply #110 on: 11-01-2006 12:05 »

Where's the option on the poll for Battlestar Galactica?
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« Reply #111 on: 11-01-2006 21:01 »

 
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Originally posted by i_c_weiner:
Star Wars is my favorite of the two.

That kid's an idiot. Star Trek is better. Here's my rankings...

1. The Next Generation
2. Original Star Wars Trilogy
3. Star Trek
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Deep Space Nine
6. Prequel movies/Enterprise/Voyager

I have to say that I love TNG. In no way do I mean that DS9 sucked, but it was worse than TNG, Original Wars, TOS, and Revenge. The Prequel movies/series and Voyager just plain sucked. Sorry Pasty, but I didn't like Enterprise too much.
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« Reply #112 on: 11-02-2006 00:23 »

I voted "Both are Equallly Good" but I could've just as easilly voted "Both Equally Suck" as for Star Wars I love the original trilogy (4, 5, 6) but was pretty disappointed with episodes 1, 2, and 3, as for Star Trek, I really like TOS, I can occasionally get into TNG, but the rest I'm really not a fan of
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« Reply #113 on: 11-02-2006 08:47 »

Original Trek is art. All arguments against it are hereby invalidated.

tyraniak

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« Reply #114 on: 11-15-2006 14:42 »

 http://www.startrek.com/startrek/vie...cle/28135.html

I still don't know how to feel about this, one thing I liked about TOS was it's 60's style campiness, now they're pulling a George Lucas on it
Zed 85

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« Reply #115 on: 11-15-2006 17:53 »

What did I originally vote for here?

...

Both Equally Good - oh okay, I'll stick by that. Er...anything else to add?
No, not really.

Hmm, oh yes, that was it, Lucasfying Star Trek...hmm, not sure. I mean, I remember when Red Dwarf Lucasfied its first two seasons. Some of it was cool, some of it made better sense and was more connected to the longer continuity...but at the same time, some of it did just seem "we has teh comput3rs LOL!"
I shall wait and see I think...
Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #116 on: 11-15-2006 20:34 »

Dang. I accidentally clicked Star Trek on the poll. I think Star Wars could kick Star Trek's butt three times over and barely lift a blaster.
Benders_Fan

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« Reply #117 on: 11-15-2006 20:58 »

Oh, Star Wars is way better than Star Trek.
Gocad

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« Reply #118 on: 11-17-2006 09:07 »
« Last Edit on: 11-17-2006 09:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Zed 85:

Hmm, oh yes, that was it, Lucasfying Star Trek...hmm, not sure. I mean, I remember when Red Dwarf Lucasfied its first two seasons. Some of it was cool, some of it made better sense and was more connected to the longer continuity...but at the same time, some of it did just seem "we has teh comput3rs LOL!"
I shall wait and see I think...

Well, the screens I have seen so far are almost breathtaking. It looks great and since they are supposedly not changing the content of the episodes itself (anybody want to say 'Han shot first!'?) I'd say I'm really interested in this 'new version' of TOS.
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« Reply #119 on: 11-17-2006 14:08 »

In regards to the restored TOS Episodes:

1. No content has been changed.
2. The updated visual effects look quite good.
3. No one is going to even see the bloody episodes anyway because they air at 3am on Channel 4 here in the states.

So Trekkies, shut your god damn mouths and stop bitching.
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